Ionization & Water Fuel

[Aaron]

bonds

What i learned by them is that the biggest mass wins.

Quite honestly, everyone should forget what Meyer says because he is lying
by omission - this is a fact.

According to your explanation, the bond between O2 should be stronger
than the bond between N2 by virtue of the mass of both oxygen atoms,
which is incorrect.

I just spelled out what he omitted.

[stevie1001]

Quite honestly, everyone should forget what Meyer says because he is lying
by omission - this is a fact.

According to your explanation, the bond between O2 should be stronger
than the bond between N2 by virtue of the mass of both oxygen atoms,
which is incorrect.

I just spelled out what he omitted.

Well, Meyer maybe questionable.

About your statement on the bonding between 2 oxygen atom and 2 nitrogen atoms you are right.
However, thats not what i wrote here.
I said: take free electrons. Take an electron seeking single oxygen atom and take a single nitrogen atom.
Both missing 1 electron in orbit.
Who wins?


I also think that you are missing my point here. Feed free floating electrons in the gasmix. Fill both nitrogen and oxygen up with electrons, so the leave the hydrogen atom in peace.
Lesser oxidizer, lesser burn velocity. Matching burnrates of petrol..

[Aaron]

the answer

the bonding between 2 oxygen atom and 2 nitrogen atoms you are right.

The answer is right there Steve.

[sucahyo]

I said: take free electrons. Take an electron seeking single oxygen atom and take a single nitrogen atom.
Both missing 1 electron in orbit.
Who wins?

The probability of them in a same distance to the "free" electron is 0%, almost impossible. I think it is quantity and position that matters, not quality. What often happen is N vs O, N vs H, O vs H, and among same atom. Also important is the source of ion. If it is O2 then it should be O+ and O-, maybe.

[sucahyo]

I am a member of an energy related research group and also made some experiments to research the explosion and implosion of HHO.
The experimental setup can be found here:

Nice implosion experiments . This deserve an own thread.

I hope you don't mind I post your explanation:
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[Aaron]

n vs. o

• A single bond has a bond order of 1.
• a double bond has a bond order of 2.
• A triple bond has a bond order of 3.

In a given pair of atoms, a higher bond order results in a shorter bond length and a higher bond energy. A shorter bond is a stronger bond.



*Information from Chapter 9 in Silberberg's CHEMISTRY: The Molecular Nature of Matter and Change. 4 Ed. pp 341 - 342.

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If the above is understood and ionization is understood, there is no mystery
as to what wins out.

[stevie1001]

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[Aaron]

rethink it

That's cute Steve, but it doesn't account for 2 very important things.

1. One of the main things many of the fans of Meyer is hyped about.
2. The sheer volume of nitrogen over oxygen.

What I said is my last few posts is accurate. Oxygen loses.

Break the Meyer paradigm.

[tutanka]

The probability of them in a same distance to the "free" electron is 0%, almost impossible. I think it is quantity and position that matters, not quality. What often happen is N vs O, N vs H, O vs H, and among same atom. Also important is the source of ion. If it is O2 then it should be O+ and O-, maybe.

You are go in a closed way.. Meyer start from wfc and go to injection.. what has uncovered? and ionization isn't the same for first and second method used.. in final system ionization have an simple explanation.. Regards

[chasson321]

Meyers 4th level Oxygen

last edit...

[tutanka]

YouTube - Oxygen - Periodic Table of Videos

And? You are every focalized on ionization of oxygen? that video show liquid oxygen.. now meyer create that?? Explain ...

[Aaron]

nh3

1. One of the main things many of the fans of Meyer is hyped about.
Tim: "Meyers 4th level Oxygen" yep!

2. The sheer volume of nitrogen over oxygen.

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It has been repeated multiple times in this thread that the focus was
on the wrong element. So if the goal is some NH3, then... it should
be common sense.

[stevie1001]

It worked..!

[Oneminde]

Aarons post's

There we go
Mystery solved.

(But wait, there is more... much more. This is only one of the "triple" solutions to Meyer's system - go fish)

[argonian1]

It worked..!

now only the production must be overunity and you're good to go