Ionization & Water Fuel

[Farrah Day]

I've been looking in on this thread periodically, trying to make sense of it and hoping to see where people are coming from... but I might add, with very little success.

Most of what I'm reading in terms of chemical reactions appears to be not much more than pure conjecture. Is there not a chemist in the house?

Mike clearly states the possibilities in terms of the raw ingredients, but of course it's not a pick-n-mix, and the reality of it is that some reactions will take precedence. And no doubt, any reaction will require energy.

Well we could make NH3 or N2H4; N2O;NO2;NO. what ever if you mix the three gases you are going to have NITROGEN in the equation, so why did Meyer talk of none combustible gases (nitrogen) to such great extent. Later I will tell you why, and it is to do with gaining energy.

Mike

Look forward to hearing your explanation Mike.

How is that people are expecting to mix these gases exactly in order to produce... well I'm not sure what exactly... something more calorific than the parts?

After all, we know that if we ignite H2 in air, we just get water as the N2 is not a very reactive molecule. So we have H2 and O2 and N2. Basically air with a relatively higher concentration of H2 and O2.

What exactly are people trying to achive with these gases... does anyone know or is everyone just stabbing at it in the dark?

The gases Mike mentioned above are mostly non-flammable, many prohibiting burning.

Ammonia does not burn in air and prohibits burning (but will burn in oxygen)
Nitric Oxide does not burn and prohibits burning
Nitrogen Dioxide does not burn and prohibits burning
Nitrous Oxide makes a good oxidiser, but you need something to burn in it in the first place to take advantage of this.

So that just leaves Hydrazine... the only really flammable gas... are you all trying to produce hydrazine?

If so has anyone actually given any thought to the reaction processes involved, the balanced chemical equations for such reactions... and whether or not these reactions are even possible?

Just my two-penneth.

Farrah

[chasson321]

Green Car Congress

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[Aaron]

read the thread

What exactly are people trying to achive with these gases... does anyone know or is everyone just stabbing at it in the dark?

If you actually took the time to thoroughly read this thread from the
beginning you wouldn't be asking such questions. It just adds to the
distractions.

[chasson321]

Rosco

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[digitz]

Enjoying this thread .. !

[Farrah Day]

If you actually took the time to thoroughly read this thread from the
beginning you wouldn't be asking such questions. It just adds to the
distractions.

You're having a laugh, right?

All I was basically asking was, if anyone actually knew exactly what fuel they were trying to produce.

From what I can see it's all just 26-odd pages of a big guessing game with none of you having much of a clue as to what will react with what and how... but excuse me for being such a distraction.

Farrah

[Aaron]

@Farrah Day

You're having a laugh, right?

All I was basically asking was, if anyone actually knew exactly what fuel they were trying to produce.

From what I can see it's all just 26-odd pages of a big guessing game with none of you having much of a clue as to what will react with what and how... but excuse me for being such a distraction.

Farrah

Excuse me, but it is overwhelmingly obvious that a few people do
know specifics and are giving hints to others to get others to get it.
I have mentioned that there are those that figured it out way before
Meyer, around the same time and a little bit before Meyer and also some
others figured it out in more recent times. That was simply one of COUNTLESS
posts that spell out that nobody here is "stabbing in the dark" and to say
such a thing is insulting, out of line and IS adding to the distractions
that some others are posting.

Because you made such a comment and considering what has already
been posted in this thread, it shows that you actually did NOT take the
time to read or comprehend it and you should refrain from posting here
in this thread until you do.

Your post completely ignores any of the valid points that have been posted
and you instead choose to act as if there has been nothing spelled out as
a few others have.

If you read 26 pages and you see a guessing game, you're in the same
boat as a few others and it has nothing to with the fact that it actually
has been spelled out multiple times.

[chasson321]

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[Aaron]

@Tim

Please link to these references not sure which ones you are referring too. I also have several books from Knowledge Publication on hydrogen production. Can you cite references?

Also do have an idea on how much NH3 one needs to produce to run a engine.

Tim

DO YOUR OWN WORK. I posted plenty of references that go back
a hundred years. They are in this thread, you can look them up yourself.
You know very well what I'm referring to and if you don't - then you
haven't read this thread either!

[vrand]

You have changed your mind? I see you have edited your earlier posts on original process. You now u want to make ammonia? Was original process to dangerous? Radiation?

I don't have changed anything, all remain the same, the chemical formula isn't changed.. maybe can be changed method of production using new mechanical/electronics..

Are you still using your earlier Gas Processor design, from last year over on the "Stanley Meyer Explained" thread?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post64944

N2O isn't created inside gas processor but inside injector.. Inside gas processor you create only NITROGEN ATOMIC WITHOUT OXYGEN an send to injector. Nitrogen atomic is use as catalyzed when mixed with water mist. About N+O+HV=N2O is the same reverse reaction of N2O+HV=O+N2 and how you can see N2O is obtain when NO pass trought HV field of injector, you can read it to Nitrogen oxides - Google Böcker at page 23. You are focalized only on oxygen but is nitrogen atomic responsible of split water and creation of N2O for thermal explosive energy. Not all is written on patents.

I am confused. Does the Gas Processor use High Voltage and also the Injector uses High Voltage?

So in/out of GP = (in) N2+O2+HV=N+O (out)
Then in/out of the Injector = (in) N+O+HV= N2O (out, then to cylinder engine?)

Your diagram above is not clear. It also looks like you used a filter to remove the water/humidity in the air, before entering the GP?

Also, the Böcker at page 23 info, when I went to the link it, showed the following equation and description:

O + O2(+M) --> O3(+M)
The M represents a third molecular species (nitrogen, oxygen, water, etc.) that removes a fraction of the energy released during interaction...

That is the standard ionization of oxygen in a a typical corona discharge ozone generator.

Regards, Mike

[tutanka]

Are you still using your earlier Gas Processor design, from last year over on the "Stanley Meyer Explained" thread?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post64944





I am confused. Does the Gas Processor use High Voltage and also the Injector uses High Voltage?

So in/out of GP = (in) N2+O2+HV=N+O (out)
Then in/out of the Injector = (in) N+O+HV= N2O (out, then to cylinder engine?)

Your diagram above is not clear. It also looks like you used a filter to remove the water/humidity in the air, before entering the GP?

Also, the Böcker at page 23 info, when I went to the link it, showed the following equation and description:



That is the standard ionization of oxygen in a a typical corona discharge ozone generator.

Regards, Mike

That was my first diagram scenario.. in part right in part not... Regards

[Aaron]

@Tim

Tim, I'll continue to delete any post that doesn't
discuss how NH3 on demand is a reality in all those old references.

[Aaron]

@Farrah Day

Farrah Day,

You revealed your understanding when I asked you a question in the
electrolysis thread. You're simply going to push that understanding here
in this thread and it doesn't have anything to do with NH3 on demand.

Your posts will be deleted if you continue to detract from NH3 on
demand discussions.

[vrand]

That was my first diagram scenario.. in part right in part not... Regards

In your Gas Processor design do you allow the formation of OZONE?

Do you have an Electron Extraction grid and circuit, to capture the free electrons, remove them from the mix, and prevent the formation of O3?

Regards, Mike R.

[tutanka]

In your Gas Processor design do you allow the formation of OZONE?

Do you have an Electron Extraction grid and circuit, to capture the free electrons, remove them from the mix, and prevent the formation of O3?

Regards, Mike R.

All depend from chemical formula used. For EEC I have been written on thread. Regards