Ionization & Water Fuel

[Aaron]

Langmuir

Maybe use platinum spark plugs?

You're right - plugs. But we don't want platinum.

But that is where the other metal is.

Langmuir invented the term Plasma and thermionic emissions were a crucial
part of this research.

Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding
Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch

Sebosfato pointed out that the normal engine metals won't
be hot enough for any kind of thermionic emissions and I
mentioned that some other metal may be considered.

So what metal is it?

[sebosfato]

Maybe use platinum spark plugs?

I think that there is no meaning to use platinum in the combustion chamber.

Because if there is hydrogen inside the combustion chamber it will explode before the spark yet during the compression.

I wrote this about hydrazine to try to understand why you talk about hydrazine.
Because it could be used only with direct injection system... because of what is wrote below.
For me seem a contradiction, compressing it!!! (you said is possible to use it without injector) so for me he is not doing hydrazine... You might have if it really is only ammonia.

Read this again:
Why hydrazine?
"Platinum-group metal catalysis such as platinum black and Raney nickel are incompatible with hydrazine, causing exothermic decomposition. A hydrazine-oxygen mixture in the presence of platinum ignites at a mere 30 C, while hydrazine-air mixtures on an iron rust surface ignite at 24 C and on a metal burner ignite at 130 C. On glass surfaces, auto-ignition temperature is 270 C. Contact with many porous substances such as rusty surfaces, earth, asbestos, wood, or cloth can cause oxidation or explosion.

Hydrazine spontaneously explodes upon contact with calcium oxide, barium oxide, iron oxides, copper oxide, chromate salts, and many others. Calcium is a possible metal tank alloy ingredient, the oxide of which forms on tank surfaces. Metallic manganese, lead, and copper alloys also spontaneously participate in violent reactions. It is incompatable with ammonia and with organic compounds containing easily reduced functional groups. Hazardous polymerisation does not occur, however.

All flammable liquids, inclusing hydrazine, are incompatable with chemicals such as nitrates, permanganates, chromic acid, hydrogen peroxide, nitric acid, sodium peroxide, halogens, or halogenated chemicals such as phosphorous tetrachloride, oxidizing materials, and highly oxygenated or halogenated solvents.

Hydrazine is sometimes listed as incompatable with metals and combustable materials, as its presence greatly increases burning rates in an oxygenated environment such as Earth."
from:
Artemis Project: All About Hydrazine

[sebosfato]

Hi Aaron,

Metals suitable for emission are on the left side of the periodic table because their work function are more suitable or lower energy is needed for emission, but anyway they can't be used in the combustion chamber or where you have oxygen because the same fact that make them good emitters makes them react violently with water and oxygen. They can be used only at vacuum. Like thermionic tubes...
This elements are potassium, sodium, lithium, cesium...
Regards

[tutanka]

How did you determine you were making hydrazine? Did you do a Gas chromatography?

Regards

No.. hydrazine is create only with basic water, PH >7.. As you know Meyer use distilled water heated to 90°C , you obtain PH >7 and in that way hydrazine.. VERY SIMPLE

[tutanka]

tabella reazioni .. reaction table

Questo vi aiuta a comprendere... That help you a lot.. Water is very important part in that process

[pengrove]

Well it looks like tutanka is the only rational inventor on the planet. I smell greed horribly bad around here. If Rosco and the groups lives start falling to pieces the reason will be bad karma. When something that you are working on could effect massive amounts of people you better tread lightly.

[tutanka]

From Meyer documentation..

Queste parole vi aiuteranno a capire.. These words help you to understand..

[vrand]

Questo vi aiuta a comprendere... That help you a lot.. Water is very important part in that process

Do you buy your distilled water or make your own? Would Reverse Osmoses (RO) + de-ionized (DI) water be better?

pH of Distilled Water
pH of Distilled Water | Kangen Water Report

Now with that explanation understood, distilled water will test out in a range of pH 5.5-5.8. The reason is that distilled water dissolves carbon dioxide from the air. It dissolves carbon dioxide until it is in dynamic equilibrium with the atmosphere. That means that the amount being dissolved balances the amount coming out of solution. The total amount in the water is determined by the concentration in the atmosphere. The dissolved carbon dioxide reacts with the water and finally forms carbonic acid.

Distilled water tends to be acidic and can only be recommended as a way of drawing poisons out of the body. Dr. Theodore Baroody, in his book “Alkalize or Die”, offers a list of symptoms that may be precipitated by Acidosis:

Regards

[tutanka]

Do you buy your distilled water or make your own? Would Reverse Osmoses (RO) + de-ionized (DI) water be better?



Regards

NO SECRETS.. I use bi-distilled water PH 6.5 made in Carlo Erba industries.. that is very stable and certified..

[vrand]

NO SECRETS.. I use bi-distilled water PH 6.5 made in Carlo Erba industries.. that is very stable and certified..

Thanks

ROMIL-UpS Ultra Purity Solvents - Specifications

Water UpS
ultra gradient
Code H949
Standard Pack 1LT 2½LT
H2O MW 18.02 FP 0.0°C BP 100.0°C d 1.00
CAS [7732-18-5]
Residue <0.00005%
Resistivity (at time of manufacture) >18 MOhm @ 25°C
pH (at time of manufacture) 5.5-8.0 @ 25°C
TOC (at time of manufacture) <2 ppb
HPLC Gradient Use Test: UV of largest eluted peak <0.005 AU @ 205nm
Column: C18 reversed phase
Solvent system: A=H2O, B=CH3CN (ROMIL H050)
Equilibration: 5 min @ 100% A
Gradient / duration: Linear 100% A - 100% B / 20 min
Flow rate: 2 ml/min
Filtered to 0.2 micron
Application: HPLC critical gradient applications, HPLC-MS

How many liters do you use in an engine? 1 Liter per 100 km? 1 Liter per 500 km?

Regards

[sebosfato]

Grazie mile Tutanka

I think that what happens is this, you use adiabatic ionization to negatively charge water and probably a fogger to create a fog of charged water droplets than you mix with the " active nitrogen" positively charged ionized air and than give the mix to the engine... Is that right???

(to charge negatively the water by induction (polarize) would need small energy, than you ionize the air (polarize)with small energy too and the mix of both become fuel...

???

[pengrove]

Grazie mile Tutanka

I think that what happens is this, you use adiabatic ionization to negatively charge water and probably a fogger to create a fog of charged water droplets than you mix with the " active nitrogen" positively charged ionized air and than give the mix to the engine... Is that right???

(to charge negatively the water by induction (polarize) would need small energy, than you ionize the air (polarize)with small energy too and the mix of both become fuel...

???

I would say that you are damn close.

[sebosfato]

I meant that maybe he polarize the water having oh- on one side and h30+ on the other side, one of the sides have a ultrasonic fogger to make this side (ionized) become droplets. Than he use opposite reaction with the air and mix both. hope you understood.

I'm not sure but seems to be the only obvious way it can work.

I guessed before that output could become h2o2 notsure

[tutanka]

I meant that maybe he polarize the water having oh- on one side and h30+ on the other side, one of the sides have a ultrasonic fogger to make this side (ionized) become droplets. Than he use opposite reaction with the air and mix both. hope you understood.

I'm not sure but seems to be the only obvious way it can work.

I guessed before that output could become h2o2 notsure

Fabio I don't know what is your project , mine is created gas for send inside engine and for that Meyer injection system isn't good for me.. of course, I don't use WFC cell as Meyer.. however my object is dissociation of water OH- H+ and N+ atoms because I need NH3 and N2O like explain my posted diagram and for obtain that I need 3 stages and last must created along time of ionization.. methods of creation can be more but for obtain the right gas you need dissociation of nitrogen with ionized water vapour, after an complete ionization stage. Now you have all indications .. Regards

[vrand]

Fabio I don't know what is your project , mine is created gas for send inside engine and for that Meyer injection system isn't good for me.. of course, I don't use WFC cell as Meyer.. however my object is dissociation of water OH- H+ and N+ atoms because I need NH3 and N2O like explain my posted diagram and for obtain that I need 3 stages and last must created along time of ionization.. methods of creation can be more but for obtain the right gas you need dissociation of nitrogen with ionized water vapour, after an complete ionization stage. Now you have all indications .. Regards

After you use your bi-distilled water, do you still need to add the water? Or the exhaust gas has enough water vapor to continue to run the engine?

How many Liters of water do you use?

Regards