Ionization & Water Fuel

[Aaron]

Meyer's confusion

YOU CLEAN UP YOUR MIND FROM MEYER CONCEPTS.. MEYER DRUNK ITS READERS

Yes, but I did point out that you are saying something different apparently.

[Aaron]

nitrogen - natural EEC

I can't ask clear but nitrogen is used outside and inside chambre of reactor.. and .. only inside is used as natural EEC

Ok, I feel progress. I can see nitrogen as being an attractor for free
electrons. Thank you!

I think that is significant.

[Aaron]

ionization by collision

This is a good reference on gas ionization I posted a few times before
but looks like the original site disappeared!

K9 Passage of electricity through gases

[Aaron]

H2no3

EDIT - I thought this abstract was about Nitrogen Hydroxide but it is about
Nitrogen Hydroxide Oxide. I'll leave it anyway. If anyone wants to explore
Nitrogen Hydroxide, please use this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...hydroxide.html

If there is confirmation that Nitrogen Hydroxide is the molecule, then
I guess there is a very specific direction this thread can take at that time.

Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies

Cover Picture: Experimental Detection of the H2NO3 Radical (ChemPhysChem 10/2003)

Fulvio Cacace, Prof. Dr. *, Giulia de Petris, Prof. Dr. *, Anna Troiani, Dr.Dipartimento di Studi di Chimica e Tecnologia delle Sostanze Biologicamente Attive, Università di Roma La Sapienza, P.le A. Moro 5, 00185 Roma,Italy, Fax: (+39)06-49-913-602

email: Fulvio Cacace (fulvio.cacace@uniroma1.it)*Correspondence to Fulvio Cacace, Dipartimento di Studi di Chimica e Tecnologia delle Sostanze Biologicamente Attive, Università di Roma La Sapienza, P.le A. Moro 5, 00185 Roma, Italy, Fax: (+39)06-49-913-602

*Correspondence to Giulia de Petris, Dipartimento di Studi di Chimica e Tecnologia delle Sostanze Biologicamente Attive, Università di Roma La Sapienza, P.le A. Moro 5, 00185 Roma, Italy, Fax: (+39)06-49-913-602

setDOI("ADOI=10.1002/cphc.200390107")Keywordsinorganic radicals • gas-phase chemistry • mass spectrometry • nitric acid • short-lived intermediates

AbstractThe cover pictures showsthe mass spectrum of nitrogen hydroxide oxide, the H2NO3. radical, which was discovered by neutralization reionization mass spectrometry (NRMS) and characterized as a relatively long-lived (over 1 s) metastable species. The discovery required the availability of the appropriate charged precursor that fortunately had previously been prepared by this group (1989) as a result of their sustained interest in gas-phase ion chemistry of nitrates, nitrites and related molecules. Cacace et al. found that protonation of nitric acid by strong Brønsted acids yields, in addition to the H2ONO2+ ion, smaller amounts of the less stable (HO)2NO+ isomer, namely charged nitrogen hydroxide oxide. This result has allowed the present discovery by NRMS (yellow trace), whereas NRMS of the H2ONO2+ ion does not result in detectable H2NO3. neutral species (green trace). The importance of nitrogen hydroxide oxide stems from its relevance to a variety of research areas, from the reduction of the NO32- anion, to atmospheric chemistry, radiolysis of nuclear-waste solutions, the charge-transfer mechanism of aromatic nitration, etc. Find out more in the communication by Cacace et al. on pp.

1128-131.Digital Object Identifier (DOI)
10.1002/cphc.200390107 About DOI

[tutanka]

Are you saying you're using an injector as the wfc instead of an
electrolysis cell? I understand that Meyer's injector is to split water locally
instead of in a WFC. Obviously the reaction is possible with a WFC, which
is more practical for everyone to build instead of custom injectors.

I don't believe in a magical mix of ambient air without nitrogen.
NO is naturally occuring in the air and I suppose it can be created in the
AP. NO is a free radical so therefore it is positively charged. When NO
is in the presence of other oxygen, it will attract the oxygen to produce
NO2 (nitrogen dioxide - ONO).

NO2, or nitrogen dioxide you say

You say you only use AMBIENT AIR in your AP or GP. However, you have
posted in the other thread that the AP processes ambient air and the
GP processes water.



Yes, I understand the ionized gas mixture is also a plasma - different
from plasma from spark plug.

But if you're talking about only processing AMBIENT AIR, does that mean
you are only using AP now and not GP for water? If so, I think it needs to
be clarified because you distinctly pointed out that the AP does air and
the GP does water (steam) as indicated by your diagram above.

Are you saying that you have moved past all of that and have evolved
your process since you posted this steam processor? It would make a
difference to know this - otherwise, it looks like a contradiction.

If you're treating ONLY AMBIENT AIR, then the HHO/HOH moisture is
simply ducted into the AP outlet and they come together.
So first reaction externally is the mixing of the HHO/HOH with the
positively charged ambient air of N and O. This mixing or blending or
ducting together is the first process.

The "NEUTRAL" PLASMA is the balance of positively charged air and
HHO with water moisture. Creating this "neutral plasma" is the first
step in the reaction and is created before anything enters the intake
valve.

Therefore the GP that negatively charges the steam is not needed for
a more advanced and simplified process? So can we say the GP or
steam processor that negatively charges the steam is an older step that
you have moved away from and is no longer necessary?

Second, that mixture entering intake valve under vacuum creating
NITROGEN HYDROXIDE. Compression comes up, it is heated and pressurized.
"Heat ionizes the mixture" and I'm sure it is quite homogenized at this point.

During the entire intake, compression and partial down stroke, that is
ENOUGH TIME to have the neutral plasma mix together. The heat and
pressure heats the mixture and the mixture tries to expand against the
compression. Piston goes down a bit and mixture is allowed to expand
a bit more.

"plasma capacitor have two characteristics very important respect to other. However Nitrogen and oxygen have very important part, first and on the reaction inside chambre of reactor"

The neutral plasma is like a capacitor that lets it energy out when the
plasma ignition hits it.

Yes, this is my old idea but I need to create mixture fuel and that isn't needed or only in part..

[Aaron]

Allotropic Nitrogen

Ok, thanks Tutanka. I really appreciate your patience. I'm not sure if
anyone else is excited about this as I am but I think the lights are turning on.

Just bumped up this thread on Allotropic Nitrogen. You might find the
first post interesting. Anyway...
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-nitrogen.html

[Jetijs]

I'm not sure if
anyone else is excited about this as I am

Aaron, I am just as excited as you and am following this thread closely. Because it just so happens that I am also experimenting with air ionization with HV now, also I have some experience with plasma spark and hho. So I have all the building blocks if you can say that, we just need to find how to get them together properly.
I would like to thank Tutanka and others for all the info you can share And I totally understand if there is something you can't share.
Thanks,
Jetijs

[tutanka]

Ok, thanks Tutanka. I really appreciate your patience. I'm not sure if
anyone else is excited about this as I am but I think the lights are turning on.

Just bumped up this thread on Allotropic Nitrogen. You might find the
first post interesting. Anyway...
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-nitrogen.html

Active Nitrogen or Atomic Nitrogen is very reactive

[Aaron]

@Jetijs

Aaron, I am just as excited as you and am following this thread closely. Because it just so happens that I am also experimenting with air ionization with HV now, also I have some experience with plasma spark and hho. So I have all the building blocks if you can say that, we just need to find how to get them together properly.
I would like to thank Tutanka and others for all the info you can share And I totally understand if there is something you can't share.
Thanks,
Jetijs

Cool! It just so happens I was going to ask YOU and a few others with good
quality cells to try it out! I was wondering if you were the engineer
mentioned or not. You certainly are capable!

[Aaron]

Thanks Tutanka!

Active Nitrogen or Atomic Nitrogen is very reactive

I've lost a bit of sleep over this. lol

That active nitrogen is very interesting and has been used
in what I think is a nitrogen capacitor that gets charged and
discharged. It has been used in some interesting gas tubes
with curious electromagnetics turning rotors, etc...

Seems evident that this really is the key that everyone
needs - it seems self apparent now - after the fact

Anyway, thanks Tutanka and I'm sure some people will
post some experiments with this. I have to wait until my
shop warms up early spring. My wfc right now is a frozen
container of ice.

Thank you thank you!

[Aaron]

ionizer

I found this patent last night, very simple circuits to either positively
charge air, negatively charge it or both.

Ion emitting hot air blower - Google Patent Search

[Aaron]

Allotropic or Active Nitrogen

Everyone should read this, it is the "original" active nitrogen experiment
by exposing nitrogen to hv.

[tutanka]

I found this patent last night, very simple circuits to either positively
charge air, negatively charge it or both.

Ion emitting hot air blower - Google Patent Search

Very good example As you can see all start from AC and grid numbered 120 is more similar to EEC of Meyer but instead to have light bulb have only an simple resistor R1.

[tutanka]

Please read all...
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post82397

H2OPOWER WROTE: As you can see I am not perfect I make mistakes all the time

[h20power]

Here is the full post so my words are not taken out of context: http://www.energeticforum.com/82397-post1485.html


h2opower.