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  • Originally posted by sebosfato View Post
    I tried to explain that if we can spent 100w to create 10kw of gas and we use this new tech we have we are going to have 9.5kw of electricity out of it. If we used a fuel cell we would have bout 50% efficiency and motor about 30%.
    I still can't figure out how you will get 10kw of electricity out of 10kw of gas without that 50%*30% combo. If you talk about fusion then:
    Nuclear fusion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Nuclear fusion occurs naturally in stars. Artificial fusion in human enterprises has also been achieved, although it has not yet been completely controlled.

    ...

    When the fusion reaction is a sustained uncontrolled chain, it can result in a thermonuclear explosion, such as that generated by a hydrogen bomb. Reactions which are not self-sustaining can still release considerable energy, as well as large numbers of neutrons.

    Research into controlled fusion, with the aim of producing fusion power for the production of electricity, has been conducted for over 50 years. It has been accompanied by extreme scientific and technological difficulties, but has resulted in progress. At present, break-even (self-sustaining) controlled fusion reactions have not been demonstrated in the few tokamak-type reactors around the world.[2] Workable designs for a reactor which will theoretically deliver ten times more fusion energy than the amount needed to heat up plasma to required temperatures (see ITER) are scheduled to be operational in 2018.

    It takes considerable energy to force nuclei to fuse, even those of the lightest element, hydrogen. This is because all nuclei have a positive charge (due to their protons), and as like charges repel, nuclei strongly resist being put too close together. Accelerated to high speeds (that is, heated to thermonuclear temperatures), they can overcome this electromagnetic repulsion and get close enough for the attractive nuclear force to be sufficiently strong to achieve fusion. The fusion of lighter nuclei, which creates a heavier nucleus and a free neutron, generally releases more energy than it takes to force the nuclei together; this is an exothermic process that can produce self-sustaining reactions.

    Generally cold, locally hot fusion
    Accelerator-based light-ion fusion is a technique using particle accelerators to achieve particle kinetic energies sufficient to induce light-ion fusion reactions. Accelerating light ions is relatively easy, and can be done in an efficient manner – all it takes is a vacuum tube, a pair of electrodes, and a high-voltage transformer; fusion can be observed with as little as 10 kV between electrodes. The key problem with accelerator-based fusion (and with cold targets in general) is that fusion cross sections are many orders of magnitude lower than Coulomb interaction cross sections. Therefore the vast majority of ions ends up expending their energy on bremsstrahlung and ionization of atoms of the target.
    Despite periodic reports in the popular press by scientists claiming to have invented "table-top" fusion machines, neutron generators have been around for half a century. The sizes of these devices vary but the smallest instruments are often packaged in sizes smaller than a loaf of bread. These devices do not produce a net power output.




    The energy released in most nuclear reactions is much larger than that in chemical reactions, because the binding energy that holds a nucleus together is far greater than the energy that holds electrons to a nucleus. For example, the ionization energy gained by adding an electron to a hydrogen nucleus is 13.6 electron volts—less than one-millionth of the 17 MeV released in the D-T (deuterium-tritium) reaction shown in the diagram to the right. Fusion reactions have an energy density many times greater than nuclear fission; i.e., the reactions produce far greater energies per unit of mass even though individual fission reactions are generally much more energetic than individual fusion ones, which are themselves millions of times more energetic than chemical reactions. Only direct conversion of mass into energy, such as that caused by the collision of matter and antimatter, is more energetic per unit of mass than nuclear fusion.
    I bold the last sentence just in case our radiant oscillator or TPU produce antimatter...


    BTW, the Meyer patent that mention a must 2:1 hydrogen/oxygen ratio made me remember high school chemistry titration experiment. Some chemical reaction will only occur if it has the exact proportion. I remember that in group we add liquid drop by drop on a glass. I remember only some manage to do it, because most are to eager and overshoot chemical balance and fail it. Maybe it should be red and an overshoot would result in yellow.
    Last edited by sucahyo; 02-05-2010, 02:53 AM.

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    • No is not about fusion but high energy atoms impact.
      I said that in my process with 100W is possible to generate 10kwatts of h2 gas and I mentioned that a fuel cell would convert hydrogen chemical energy to electricity at an efficiency of 56% and a motor would do it with an efficiency of less than 30%. examle You input 10.000 watts of gas and you came out with 3000 in the motor case. I know a new method that is at least 95% efficient.

      Yes chemical concentration changes everything

      for example with 9 volts battery and graphite an platinum respective electrodes and a 3 molar sulfuric acid electrolyte. Ozone is generated from water. to mention a few

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      • Originally posted by sebosfato View Post
        No is not about fusion but high energy atoms impact.
        I said that in my process with 100W is possible to generate 10kwatts of h2 gas and I mentioned that a fuel cell would convert hydrogen chemical energy to electricity at an efficiency of 56% and a motor would do it with an efficiency of less than 30%. examle You input 10.000 watts of gas and you came out with 3000 in the motor case. I know a new method that is at least 95% efficient.

        Yes chemical concentration changes everything

        for example with 9 volts battery and graphite an platinum respective electrodes and a 3 molar sulfuric acid electrolyte. Ozone is generated from water. to mention a few
        I have to see that with 100W you obtain 10kW of h2 and however same principle is valid also for us... also you, if I remember better, use capacitor discharge inside your system.. in fact we use low power also but you are oriented on hydrogen (problems of security) instead we are focalized on new fuel mixture on demand that can be useful simply trought inlet manifold with all engines present on world.. I remember to you and peoples that sometimes we need to check simple solution inside the cryptic meyer words.. THERMAL+EXPLOSIVE=ENERGY
        Last edited by tutanka; 02-06-2010, 07:18 AM.

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        • Originally posted by sebosfato View Post
          No is not about fusion but high energy atoms impact.
          I am truly lost. Can you give me clue?

          Originally posted by sebosfato View Post
          Yes chemical concentration changes everything
          For more clear relation of ratio with this thread. Consider reaction bellow:
          A + B → C

          however the reaction can also be
          A + B → D

          If we have the exact ratio of A & B we will get C, but if we overshoot it we get D instead.


          real life example, just from combination of H, N and O:
          3 H2 + N2 → 2 NH3
          4 NH3 + 3 O2 → 2 N2 + 6 H2O
          4 NH3 + 5 O2 → 4 NO + 6 H2O
          NH3 + 2 O2 → HNO3 + H2O

          HNO3 + H2O ⇌ H3O+ + NO
          4 HNO3 → 2 H2O + 4 NO2 + O2
          2 NO + O2 → 2 NO2
          3 NO2 + H2O → 2 HNO3 + NO

          The bold one has exactly the same source but only with different ratio. can you guess the end result?
          Last edited by sucahyo; 02-06-2010, 02:52 AM.

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          • Originally posted by sucahyo View Post
            I am truly lost. Can you give me clue?

            For more clear relation of ratio with this thread. Consider reaction bellow:
            A + B → C

            however the reaction can also be
            A + B → D

            If we have the exact ratio of A & B we will get C, but if we overshoot it we get D instead.


            real life example, just from combination of H, N and O:
            3 H2 + N2 → 2 NH3
            4 NH3 + 3 O2 → 2 N2 + 6 H2O
            4 NH3 + 5 O2 → 4 NO + 6 H2O
            NH3 + 2 O2 → HNO3 + H2O

            HNO3 + H2O ⇌ H3O+ + NO
            4 HNO3 → 2 H2O + 4 NO2 + O2
            2 NO + O2 → 2 NO2
            3 NO2 + H2O → 2 HNO3 + NO

            The bold one has exactly the same source but only with different ratio. can you guess the end result?
            YOU HAVE WRITE AN TRUE STANDARD CHEMICAL REACTION BUT you can't use that in our application, you need some pressure similar italian Lens becasue N2 isn't reactive in normal condition.. Solution is ONLY mathematical... with final solution for you is simple understand how reaction start..
            Last edited by tutanka; 02-06-2010, 07:19 AM.

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            • HOWEVER. There are only a set of conditions that can exist and there is only a set of possibiletys that you can choce from and there are only a set of conditions that you can create (combinations) IF all conditions for nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen are layed down on the table, there is going to be some variables present. NOW, only a few of these is going to be a good choice AND only 1 of them is going to be realisticly possible. That is how physics work and everybody must play by the rules...

              We have O2, we have N2 and we have H2O to start with... gasoline is C7H16 and Tutanka whant to create a similar molecule - SIMILAR - to have a molecule that is large enough.. noble idea yes, so can we create N7H16.. (I just start the thinking process) or even better C16H34 (diesel) N16H34 - now talk about one energetic molecule..
              Last edited by Oneminde; 02-06-2010, 07:46 AM.
              - Behold the truth -

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              • Originally posted by Oneminde View Post
                HOWEVER. There are only a set of conditions that can exist and there is only a set of possibiletys that you can choce from and there are only a set of conditions that you can create (combinations) IF all conditions for nitrogen, hydrogen and oxygen are layed down on the table, there is going to be some variables present. NOW, only a few of these is going to be a good choice AND only 1 of them is going to be realisticly possible. That is how physics work and everybody must play by the rules...

                We have O2, we have N2 and we have H2O to start with... gasoline is C7H16 and Tutanka whant to create a similar molecule - SIMILAR - to have a molecule that is large enough.. noble idea yes, so can we create N7H16.. (I just start the thinking process) or even better C16H34 (diesel) N16H34 - now talk about one energetic molecule..
                Sorry Oneminde.. only water and air is used inside process.. nobody info for free
                Last edited by tutanka; 02-06-2010, 08:58 AM.

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                • Originally posted by tutanka View Post
                  Sorry Oneminde.. only water and air is used inside process.. nobody info for free
                  Hmm... only water (H2O) and air (O2+N2) is used inside process.... as compunds yes.. duh!!!
                  - Behold the truth -

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                  • Originally posted by Oneminde View Post
                    Hmm... only water (H2O) and air (O2+N2) is used inside process.... as compunds yes.. duh!!!
                    YES ONLY THESE.. NOT ALSO GASOLINE

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                    • Hi Guys i think it appropriate to mention now that Panacea donated a cell to help Alex and Rosco FREE and are here to help and guide them.

                      They have the right idea to disseminate it not by big corps and is what impressed us the most.

                      regards
                      Ash

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                      • Originally posted by ashtweth View Post
                        Hi Guys i think it appropriate to mention now that Panacea donated a cell to help Alex and Rosco FREE and are here to help and guide them.

                        They have the right idea to disseminate it not by big corps and is what impressed us the most.

                        regards
                        Ash
                        HELLO ASH,
                        Yes many thanks to Panacea for the WFC cell received for start tests. Regards Alex

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                        • Hello Fellows!

                          I'm beginner here and in whole scientic world.. I dont have much scientic/physics/chemistry background but quite a much engineering in metal industry, so I've been reading this and some other similar threads with great intrest.

                          Looks like we are in a point that someones knows the final process of replacing the traditional fuel; gas or diesel, with water and air mixture. As well looks like there are people who understand that the "revolution" of energy can't come true without "open source" thinking (as someones doesn't). Special thanks to Panacea Univercity and similar organizations who share the information for everybody as well most of the writers here and in different similar forums. I think thats the only way to go on.

                          I live in Nordic country and we are burning a lot of oil only for heating our houses ...plus transportation and industry... lots of pollution and dollars in Oil business... This Water technology would be more than welcome specially in our country. I really got exited on WF Cell (thanks again Panacea for great info). I've built my first 7 tube cell.... seems to be working and first torch flames (small 10mm flame) seen a day light. I really would like to see my flame got more mojo to heat up houses instead of oil. Could someone who really into this technology and tested the fully working WFC with GasProcessor, could share some pics or videos to make the country boy to undestand what's the goal where we heading... or where are we now? Would gas processor play a part if using HHO in heating applications? Seems like you cant find much info of GP.. or even pictures. Those would be really wellcome. 1 picture tells more than 100 words. As I undestood ..someone has working prototype in this technology. pics pics

                          Thanks for great thread.

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                          • Credits...

                            Originally posted by ashtweth View Post
                            Hi Guys i think it appropriate to mention now that Panacea donated a cell to help Alex and Rosco FREE and are here to help and guide them.

                            They have the right idea to disseminate it not by big corps and is what impressed us the most.

                            regards
                            Ash
                            I too would like to thank Ash and Panacea for the swift assistance they've provided whenever we've called for it.

                            We do very much appreciate the kind donation of the cell, and also for the advices/guidance on other matters which have to remain private for now.

                            From the outset, we've demanded the strictest secrecy, if just to keep us safe from distractions, and Ash has been rock solid in that regard, willingly helping us by keeping our project details under close wraps, all the while resisting the strong urge of making public the secret we've discovered in how to make an engine run without a fossil fuel.

                            Thanks Ash, Andrew, and Rod.

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                            • Announcement.

                              Energetic forum,


                              I've been asked to make a special public announcement here on behalf of my team, regarding the project we've been secretly working on, namely, getting any and all engines to run without the use of a fossil based fuel.

                              The readers of this thread would already be aware that Tutanka, Moose53, and myself, have been diligently plugging away at resolving this issue, and we would now like to state publicly that we have succeeded.

                              We would like to say that we have confirmed the processes required to make any engine run on this new fuel(essentially water).

                              We are currently in the process of putting together a proof of concept disclosure.

                              Please allow us a few short weeks to get that done, at which time, we will go viral and make a general media announcement.

                              There is still much to do with regard to addressing a marketing approach, and we will be seeking advices of those people who are experts in those fields when the time comes, but for now, we simply ask that everyone remain patient and allow us to get on with the task at hand, thereby allowing us to get this project to completion in the shortest possible time.

                              We formally ask that everyone please respect our privacy and refrain from slowing us down by asking questions of us here on the forum. We also ask that people please stop sending us PM messages for now too.

                              We need to apply all our time and focus on what we're doing, thus for us to take the time to respond to any questions is only slowing us down as well as slowing down the release of this technology.

                              Thank you for being patient.

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                              • All right Panacea!!!

                                Thats some of the best news I've read in a while now.

                                I came here to post this: use it to pass the time lol
                                Hi Group,

                                Forgive me if this has been posted already

                                Ammonia and water in, Water, nitrogen and electric out.
                                Fuelcell runs Electrolysis Cell with power to spare.
                                YouTube - ACE - ammonia catalytic electrolyzer

                                More facts and clear .gov suppression.
                                YouTube - Blocked Technology Ammonia as Fuel
                                YouTube - Hydrofuel NH3 (ammonia) Car

                                Dave

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