Ionization & Water Fuel

[Rizard]

Great great news!

I hope Panacea would be one of the distributor for the final announcement. I hope that the replication is close enough Meyers patented version that the possible new patents doesn't slow down the development for this technology. We saw what happend last time... over 20 years delay. ... from my oppinion, whole Patent system is out of date and thread for all natural development. Its lot to ask, but please keep, if possible, this technology open.

[Slovenia]

Dave,

Thanks for sharing this information. It may be the secret ingredient to another fuel system we tried that never worked on water.

Regards,
Slovenia

[rosco1]

Panacea

Great great news!

I hope Panacea would be one of the distributor for the final announcement. I hope that the replication is close enough Meyers patented version that the possible new patents doesn't slow down the development for this technology. We saw what happend last time... over 20 years delay. ... from my oppinion, whole Patent system is out of date and thread for all natural development. Its lot to ask, but please keep, if possible, this technology open.

Rizard,

Fear not, a few weeks ago we discussed this very prospect with Ash at Panacea, and our team agrees that Ash and Panacea should be paramount in conducting any general media release, providing they promise to do a 1/2 decent job of it. Ash might need a haircut and a shave before we go that far....

To be honest though, I'd rather see Peter Garrett of "Midnight Oil" fame, now the Australian Environment Minister doing the honours, he's a lot easier on the eye. Haha, sorry Ash...had to say it! Hey, wait a minute, can we swing that? Might be worth making a try for???

Hmmm, it's a little hard to make this concept completely open, as certain parts just cannot be replicated by the individual at home, but must be made to exacting standards by highly qualified/advanced machinists/engineers, so in that regard, no, the concept exploitation will be largely a closed shop, sorry.

We're looking at releasing a satelite monitored controller, with licensed sim card. This will effectively be the license to operate 1 complete system.

You need or want more, you buy extra licenses(sim cards/controllers).

My advice would be thus:

You buy 1 licence(sim+controller) for application on a good quality twin generator set up, with auto switching between the two gens, for powering your home.

Run 1 week on on 1 gen, auto switch to the second, enabling the first to be looked over for servicing if required. Note, this is not unusual practice, indeed, this is precisely the way twin gen sets are normally operated in remote areas. This is how you will want to do this.

This approach will enable a home to be powered completely off the grid without issue.

You wish to power your motor vehicle, you buy another sim/controller.

It's completely up to the individual, nobody will be twisting anyone elses arm.

[sebosfato]

We also were inclined to this kind of license with sim cards To be able to control from violation and things like power production in some cases.

But is difficult concept because once you sell free energy device is must set to work free. Or one day Gov. can make your satellite down. And people will remain in the dark or cold.


Is your technology only for motors? or also for heaters?

How much water it consumes per kw produced?

How much electrical energy input vs energy output?

Hope this can be answered since you already announced it.

Regards

[rosco1]

Solutions/possibilities

We also were inclined to this kind of license with sim cards To be able to control from violation and things like power production in some cases.

But is difficult concept because once you sell free energy device is must set to work free. Or one day Gov. can make your satellite down. And people will remain in the dark or cold.


Is your technology only for motors? or also for heaters?

How much water it consumes per kw produced?

How much electrical energy input vs energy output?

Hope this can be answered since you already announced it.

Regards

We don't normally hear of satelite outages occurring very often, but a simple auto switching between the Nascent system and the grid could still be effected by the smart user. There are always methods of getting around things like this, as you well know.

If you keep the grid connected as a backup to your home, with an auto switch between the Nascent system and the grid, if an outage does occur, you get automatically routed back to the grid. This way, you only pay a small monthly fee for your grid service connection, and as you are not using grid power very often, your monthly bill would be generally only a very small service fee.

There are some electricity provider companies which allow you to top up the grid with surplus solar power, thus if you have solar, and generate a surplus, they will often pay you for that surplus, so if you're in a scheme which facillitates just such an arrangement, we don't see why you would not be entitled to a similar arrangement with a Nascent system. Meaning, if you top up the grid as per what they generally allow for solar, then why not exploit this arangement with Nascent? If this is the case, then a smart person may opt to add extra Nascent powered systems to their credit, topping up the grid out of control, and being paid for it, though common sense dictates they would soon put a stop to excessive exploitation as per this idea. Food for thought though.

Consider this, all cities have public power infrastructures, street lights, trains, etc, thus they always require power to operate the cities, and if you're topping up their system, and affording them the opportunity of still winding down their coal(generally) powered turbines a little, then it could work out to be a practical way to do things. That said, we don't live in a perfect world, and they generally only ever want to grab your money at every turn, but if you can get away with what I said above, then why not go for it?

Our system will work on any fossil fuelled engine, so it's up to you. Please appreciate that we will need time to get a system designed for each and every engine type, designing whatever is required to get any engine running as per the new technology, but rest assured, once the ball starts rolling, it won't take long to get them all covered. Just think about that and realise, once we cover a set engine design, that will literally open the floodgates for anyone with that style of engine. Those with exotic engines may have to wait for us to get around to catering to them, as we will be targeting mass production stuff first off. Common sense dictates this.

Energy in x energy out is a mute point. We have designed this system to self run off a normal 12 volts, so even if it uses an inverter or whatever, we have allowed for this to be done via a normal car/truck electrical system, without the need to upgrade from whatever the factory system may be.

Water consumption? What water consumption? You really need to review the information Tutanka provided. No electrolyte means...no water whatsoever in the intake system.

Sebosfato, there is water in the air my friend.

[sebosfato]

wow man thats break-thru tech.

You are right in the air there is water.

that would be amazing

I didn't got that before.

I would like to know more about it. You may imagine.

Thanks for making my day even better!

Best Regards

[Rizard]

You can't be serious! I'm very disappointed your plans... Once everybody are complaining how bad and greed the Oil Business is at the moment, you are building exactly the same to be based on new technology/way to controll peoples life and amount of use energy... this time "free energy" -> more profit to licence resellers? Unbelievable! I thought people here are fed up with this controlled life and tries to do something that we can leave at least the energy bill out from the equation, but this method makes it worse...

Please say that I'm wrong.. and I missunderstood something. English is not my native language. Say one reason why I should upgrade all my energy systems to run with satelite controlled system? Old system works fine, it costs, but at least Im 100% sure that it works as long my tank is filled with diesel, fossil or bio. That point when your license is out of date and forecast says that whole next week going to be -30 C degs north wind... you probably run your old bullet proof oil/wood/gas burner and give a dam to your environment. You are sawing your own branch allready, don't you think?

I fully undestand Panaceas policy to publish this... let the hair grow Ash, I will.

[pengrove]

I must agree, it sounds like greed in the makings. One company could never even put a dent in what the supply and demand would be for this technology. And all of the anti theft measures will just add to the cost of such technology. Something is just not adding up here.

[sigzidfit]

I ain't cuttin my hair for a credit card either. Way to pay back the community man. Bravo.

[Cherryman]

Another example of people using free resources as websites like this to develop something, and then start selling it.. It's allowed.. But not in the spirit of websites like this!

But this is even even worse.. They put you on a leash!

Satelites can be controlled, destroyed or otherwise altered.
Fee's can go up. besides that.. The infrastructure for control and taxing is created with this kind of setup.

And proberly the goverment will start taxing the TIME you use the machine, the infrastructure already available by the satalite connection.

Here in the Netherlands the government see alternative fuel coming.. Ofcourse they don't say it.
They want to implement a little box in every car with a continues satelite tracking system and then you will have to pay for the miles you drive. They tell us it is to reduce envirement and traffic jam. Sure! .. ;-)

Althoug people don't want it.. I doubt it wil be blown off. They need the tax income wich is now on fuel ( One liter is around 1.49 euro's now due to taxes!)

Anyway.. you guys are doing the same thing.. Although it might be clean, you are putting people on a leash for proffit reasons. Instead of being happy with selling a standalone unit to (6 Billion costumers!!)

The selling, i dont't like.. But i can understand... But the leash ... goosebumbs! Greed and/or control comes into mind.. Both bad things!

Shame.

[pengrove]

Well this is my last post on this topic. It really saddens me that Panaceas would help an organization like this come to power. Why would they only share this information with these guys so they can make a profit from it? I thought Panaceas was out to help regular people? I guess I was wrong and I now wonder what else they are keeping from the average Joe.

[Slovenia]

Tutanka,

I have really enjoyed this thread. It's the most interesting thread I have ever followed. Many thanks to you, Moose53, and Rosco1 for all your research; sharing on this site; and for taking the time and effort to get your fuel system up and running so all of us can buy it from you. Most of us I feel are highly excited about this and we realize that nothing worth having is really free. I am looking forward to hearing much more in the near future about your system.

Regards,
Slovenia

[ashtweth]

Hi All. Thanks for the kind words guys, Panacea is run by you guys the trustee;s are just there for security.

I have to hand it to Rosco and Alex, they are very fluent engineers like Dave C and i just want every one to keep in mind that these guys are not the typical "corporatism" AND STILL NEED OUR HELP. They are not going to sell it for an arm and a leg and will create public access with out the mistakes that Meyers and others have done.

So they at least deserve our support, please keep this in mind guys as a favor to us if they still require technical support.

Don't worry Panacea is still about open source, but we are also about getting technology over the line where we cant open source it, especially where we think there is a guarantee of it getting to the public (for a fair price and guaranteed dissemination).

And LoL, @ Rosco i must be easy on the eye as i have met government and Peter Garrett and been on TV already. I am known for the honesty, support and ideas not looks

Ash

[tutanka]

You can't be serious! I'm very disappointed your plans... Once everybody are complaining how bad and greed the Oil Business is at the moment, you are building exactly the same to be based on new technology/way to controll peoples life and amount of use energy... this time "free energy" -> more profit to licence resellers? Unbelievable! I thought people here are fed up with this controlled life and tries to do something that we can leave at least the energy bill out from the equation, but this method makes it worse...

Please say that I'm wrong.. and I missunderstood something. English is not my native language. Say one reason why I should upgrade all my energy systems to run with satelite controlled system? Old system works fine, it costs, but at least Im 100% sure that it works as long my tank is filled with diesel, fossil or bio. That point when your license is out of date and forecast says that whole next week going to be -30 C degs north wind... you probably run your old bullet proof oil/wood/gas burner and give a dam to your environment. You are sawing your own branch allready, don't you think?

I fully undestand Panaceas policy to publish this... let the hair grow Ash, I will.

HI RIzard,
Yes.. Are some years that we pay and burn gasoline and we have spent a lot of moneys.. You refer to FREE ENERGY.. ok.. Please suppose that scenario.. I public into thread complete chemical reaction and right design including all components needed.. after 5 minutes some peoples or companies have copied these informations and go to patent office.. after that you believe also on FREE ENERGY? After one day my name AS CREATOR IS FORGOTTEN.. NO SORRY.. FREE ENERGY IN REAL WORLD DON'T EXIST BECAUSE MEN DON'T ARE READY FOR THAT! I have spent years to study and spent money for prototypes and tests.. little question.. I have made this in order to give to the people in the name of the FREE ENERGY? Instead is right put inside central unit GSM chip, that protect my work and also you from peoples that want copy. GSM chip is used also for monitoring central unit as good support for customer, because in fact is an new technology. I think that I have illuminated your mind with these words ..

[tutanka]

We also were inclined to this kind of license with sim cards To be able to control from violation and things like power production in some cases.

But is difficult concept because once you sell free energy device is must set to work free. Or one day Gov. can make your satellite down. And people will remain in the dark or cold.


Is your technology only for motors? or also for heaters?

How much water it consumes per kw produced?

How much electrical energy input vs energy output?

Hope this can be answered since you already announced it.

Regards

Sebosfato,
You ask of FREE ENERGY DEVICE.. as you know NOTHING IS FREE.. question for you.. when your system is finished you post for free your device completely of design, schemes, etc..? I think not!! However our system create inside the car the new fuel called "micronic fuel mixture". WE DON'T CREATE HYDROGEN AS YOU, BECAUSE , AS WRITTEN SOME TIMES, HYDROGEN IS'T THE RIGHT FUEL WAY .Special composition of micronic fuel mixture run engine 100% without mix also gasoline into process.. Rosco is impetuous.. for now we use special low cost water with little tank of 5 liters maybe in the future we use only air But also using ONLY water for create new fuel is a best result..