Ionization & Water Fuel

[everwiser]

Any comment on this tutanka?

Anyway, if I'm understanding tutanka, he's saying you don't have to waste time or money creating HHO because there is already H2O (except for in maybe the dryest of deserts) in the nitrogen rich air being gulped by the engine and it is broken down by the process at ignition into the HHO or equivalent; not before.

[everwiser]

Rizard,

Even in winter or deserts there is some trace amounts of water suspended in the air. However, wherever there is not enough ambient water vapor to support the process, it's easy enough to carry a small water reservoir onboard for conditioning the intake air. It could be delivered as a mist or even turned into steam, if needed.

[Oneminde]

Thats a thing that I've been thinking of... when said that there is water in air... But how does it work in North. We've been witness most coldest winter for 20 years. I quess, when temperature is bellow -15 degrees (C) for 2 months, all the water in air is frozen, no much humidity at the moment. Humidifier markets will explode in near future!!

I just 10 min ago, made an experiment to add mig welder gas (that includes nitrogen) to HHO flame. I didn't make too much difference. Shielded chamber probably would do the trick, and prevent the gas mixture for escape to ambient air... Looks like big open fire is not possible with this technic. Tutanka?

Then ad N2 to the air intake of your car and I am sure you will find your answer within minutes. Nope, didn't think so - so within your question exist the answer for that one.

[Rizard]

Then ad N2 to the air intake of your car and I am sure you will find your answer within minutes. Nope, didn't think so - so within your question exist the answer for that one.

Simple as that? What about the special spark plugs? What do they stands for?

[tutanka]

Ask oneminde.. ask clear.. now users want to know from you

[Oneminde]

Ask oneminde.. ask clear.. now users want to know from you

First you tell the group to ask me (?) then you say that no one in this group want me to debate here (??)

Anyway - to all, read this one more time: THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO DO IT.
You can't seperate the tree from the forest and Schrödinger's cat walks into a bar, but doesn't. You see it or you don't!

[tutanka]

First you tell the group to ask me (?) then you say that no one in this group want me to debate here (??)

Anyway - to all, read this one more time: THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO DO IT.
You can't seperate the tree from the forest and Schrödinger's cat walks into a bar, but doesn't. You see it or you don't!

FIRST THAT MAN HAVE START AN OWN VOLTROLISYS PROJECT BUT AFTER ,FOR SURELY HIM UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR PROJECT WAS OLD, CHANGE OPINION AND NOW YOU WANT REACH SUCCES STEALING MY IDEAS. ONEMINDE.. ALL IS STARTED FROM ME, IS MY PROJECT , MY THREAD AND I HAVE EXPLAIN ALL HERE.. THE USERS THAT READS DON'T UNDERSTAND BETTER BUT I CLARIFY.. ONEMINDE WAS MY FRIEND BUT FROM YESTERDAY ALL IS FINISHED BECAUSE HIM WANT **** ME.. I CONSIDER THAT MAN MY FRIEND BUT HIM IT WANTED ONLY INFORMATIONS FROM ME PRIVATELY.. OBVIOUSLY IT THINKS TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD BUT NOT IS THUS... THAT IS THE TRUE AND REAL EXAMPLE THAT FREE ENERGY IN FACT DON'T EXIST

[Oneminde]

FIRST THAT MAN HAVE START AN OWN VOLTROLISYS PROJECT BUT AFTER ,FOR SURELY YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR PROJETC WAS OLD, CHANGE OPINION AND NOW YOU WANT REACH SUCCES STEALING MY IDEAS. ONEMINDE.. ALL IS STARTED FROPM ME, IS MY PROJECT , MY THREAD AND I HAVE EXPLAIN ALL HERE.. DEAR USERS THAT READS DON'T UNDERSTAND BETTER BUT I CLARIFY.. ONEMINDE WAS MY FRIEND BUT FROM YESTERDAY ALL IS FINISHED BECAUSE HIM WANT **** ME.. I CONSIDER THAT MAN MY FRIEND BUT HIM IT WANTED ONLY INFORMATIONS FROM ME PRIVATELY.. OBVIOUSLY IT THINKS TO HAVE UNDERSTOOD BUT NOT IS THUS... THAT IS THE TRUE AND REAL EXAMPLE FREE ENERGY IN FACT DON'T EXIST

I see - well, as you know we spent months and moths together debating things, we even understod things that h2opower didn't and togetehr advanced in many fields. I shared information with you and you shared information with me as you did with this group and in h2opower's tread. And now that I understod on my own what it was all about you are trying to drive the group to a position where they now all of a sudden should piss on me becouse you demand them to. I know you have used some of my words in this tread and also, don't forgett that for a long time you did not believe in the process you have now developed.

You changed your mind, not me and that is fine by me, I also told you that I respected your desition to not talk with me anymore and now you behave like h2opower when we posted an alternative method to a certain process in his tread etc...

Same old same old - but not a problem - the next thing you shoudl do now is to behave as a mature man and complaine to Aaron that I "stole" your idea that you posted here and band me.. why not.

Yes Tutanka, there is only ONE side of the coin, how could I forgett - I am a basterd...

How about all the stuff you resieved from others during the R&D process, things you did not construct yourself, help from experts that you brought into your team.. how about that. I did all of my research on my own - I am one, not many...
So sitt on your high horse and become your enemy!!!

So now, go to the other groups and say the same thing you did here in your last post....

"The truth is what you make of it"

[Aaron]

water in the air

Anyway, if I'm understanding tutanka, he's saying you don't have to waste time or money creating HHO because there is already H2O (except for in maybe the dryest of deserts) in the nitrogen rich air being gulped by the engine and it is broken down by the process at ignition into the HHO or equivalent; not before.

I thought of this too. Look at the plasma ignition in open air, it is exploding
some moisture.

BUT... Rosco mentioned water from the air and then Tutanka said that there
is water and someday might be able to do it with just moisture in air.
Therefore, doesn't this mean that it is not about water in the air?

[Aaron]

not the same

Looks like big open fire is not possible with this technic. Tutanka?

Well adding other welding gas like that really doesn't have anything to do
with what I would have done - so ruling it out by doing something completely
different I think doesn't really make sense.

[Aaron]

n2

Then ad N2 to the air intake of your car and I am sure you will find your answer within minutes. Nope, didn't think so - so within your question exist the answer for that one.

So if that is a clue, of what?

There is already N2 going into the air intake from ambient air.

But if we take a bottle of pure nitrogen and put it to the intake of the
car and dilute the oxygen way down, the engine will die because of not
enough oxygen.

[Oneminde]

So if that is a clue, of what?

There is already N2 going into the air intake from ambient air.

But if we take a bottle of pure nitrogen and put it to the intake of the
car and dilute the oxygen way down, the engine will die because of not
enough oxygen.

That was the point with my post - one way of saying, that is not the way (irony)

[tutanka]

I see - well, as you know we spent months and moths together debating things, we even understod things that h2opower didn't and togetehr advanced in many fields. I shared information with you and you shared information with me as you did with this group and in h2opower's tread. And now that I understod on my own what it was all about you are trying to drive the group to a position where they now all of a sudden should piss on me becouse you demand them to. I know you have used some of my words in this tread and also, don't forgett that for a long time you did not believe in the process you have now developed.

You changed your mind, not me and that is fine by me, I also told you that I respected your desition to not talk with me anymore and now you behave like h2opower when we posted an alternative method to a certain process in his tread etc...

Same old same old - but not a problem - the next thing you shoudl do now is to behave as a mature man and complaine to Aaron that I "stole" your idea that you posted here and band me.. why not.

Yes Tutanka, there is only ONE side of the coin, how could I forgett - I am a basterd...

How about all the stuff you resieved from others during the R&D process, things you did not construct yourself, help from experts that you brought into your team.. how about that. I did all of my research on my own - I am one, not many...
So sitt on your high horse and become your enemy!!!

So now, go to the other groups and say the same thing you did here in your last post....

"The truth is what you make of it"

AND I AM TOO MUCH INTELLIGENT IN ORDER I MAKE ME TO ABSORB FROM YOUR VORTEX. YOU HAVE SUPPLIED ME HERE PRESENT INFORMATION? THEN YOU WRITE CHEMICAL REACTION. .SE INDEED THE MIND YOU ARE. IT DEMONSTRATES IT AND NOT TO SAY I CANNOT. .OF AN THING YOU HAVE REASON YOU ARE OWN A BASTARD!!

[Aaron]

nitrogen interest

My personal interest in nitrogen has nothing to do with diluting oxygen.

It has been clearly stated that the nitrogen acts as an EEC in the combustion
chamber during/after combustion to absorb electrons so that oxygen and
hydrogen won't bond together. I'm talking about atomic nitrogen that has
been stripped of electrons in an air processor.

The other purpose to me is for nitrogen to bond to the electrolyzed
hydrogen so that the nitrogen acts as a carrier for high densities of
hydrogen into the combustion chamber. More dense than even pure
liquid hydrogen.

If the exhaust is wholly or partially delivered back to a wfc, then there is
atomic nitrogen there that is positively charged that seems that it would
most easily bind to the hydrogen.

[everwiser]

I thought of this too. Look at the plasma ignition in open air, it is exploding
some moisture.

BUT... Rosco mentioned water from the air and then Tutanka said that there
is water and someday might be able to do it with just moisture in air.
Therefore, doesn't this mean that it is not about water in the air?

I evidently missed that statement from tutanka about "someday" and/or misunderstood due to the language barrier that exists. However, in more than one instance, it appears his group is steering us away from the need to produce very much HHO to support their method. This is what led me to believe it was happening at combustion. Not necessarily using the vapor in the air but rather lighting off a conditioned/ionized mist/steam along with the conditioned/ionized air entering the combustion chamber with the plasma plug. Being that they're not going to divulge anymore details, we're really just dancing around various ideas at this point. I'm just throwing mine "out there".