Ionization & Water Fuel

[tutanka]

I think we all read the theory. Creating a new kind of molecule which burns slower then the basic HHO.
So, what are the options?

We have:
Ionized Nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen.

I hope we can get some Ammonia at the end, to be honest.


Suc: Why you think we need + and - ions? The ionized atoms all want stability.
So, if they are missing electrons, they WILL steel it. They take free floating electrons or the seek a bond with other atoms...

I seek a way to let them combine into ammonia atoms, which is a better fuel for ICE then HHO.

Steve

Steve,
All have an sense.. WFC initially and water injector after.. in fact air and water is all you need. I have been started regstration of patent for my combustible that I have named MICRONIC FUEL. My patent isn't an fake as meyer patent and all is written clearly.. I repeat again Meyer patents are wrongs.. when you register an patent you need to be clear , you need to written all true informations because object of patents is that all peoples must be able to replace these; instead if you have read better meyer patents these are rewritten for create confusion inside minds. Regards

[dankie]

Tutanka you are not very helpful .

Steve asked you a clear question and expects a clear answer .

And I am still waiting for you to unblock the video for me , I am still waiting ...

[Oneminde]

Tutanka you are not very helpful .

Steve asked you a clear question and expects a clear answer .

And I am still waiting for you to unblock the video for me , I am still waiting ...

Tutanka is teasing everyone here, he likes to do that. But the answer is allready writen in this tread and many times over, so my suggestion is to go over the tread ones more or read the last posts. Yes I know how the ammonia molecule is created, but can't spell it out for you guy's. Only if someone ells or Tutanka himself do that, then I can talk about it and that is just a question of time right now untill it happens.

(Answer: Cation)

[dankie]

never mind , I just saw the video , youtube just wouldnt let me see it for like a month , Tutanka sent it to me on my youtube messages like a month ago but it just wouldnt pop .

Very nice motor Tutanka , I dont understand everything but dam it looks professionnal .

Its a crazy motor with no smoke anywhere to see ...

[tutanka]

Tutanka you are not very helpful .

Steve asked you a clear question and expects a clear answer .

And I am still waiting for you to unblock the video for me , I am still waiting ...

Video of engine is now public .. and I can't ask clear.. after when my patent is out not problem. Regards

[tutanka]

Tutanka is teasing everyone here, he likes to do that. But the answer is allready writen in this tread and many times over, so my suggestion is to go over the tread ones more or read the last posts. Yes I know how the ammonia molecule is created, but can't spell it out for you guy's. Only if someone ells or Tutanka himself do that, then I can talk about it and that is just a question of time right now untill it happens.

(Answer: Cation)

Oneminde (thief of ideas) believes of clever being like a vixen . Ionization is only one part of the process and sorry but not all is explained in that thread.. however you must to wait no more for read my patent, obviously in Italian language

[Oneminde]

Oneminde (thief of ideas) believes of clever being like a vixen . Ionization is only one part of the process and sorry but not all is explained in that thread.. however you must to wait no more for read my patent, obviously in Italian language

How can one steal an idea if that idea was presented by another researcher? If that is the case, then also you "stole" that idea from another researcher as I "did". We both know that the original idea to the process was forwarded by mister Stanley Meyer and I am only reffering to the last process. Even Stanley Meyer "stole" the idea from other reasearchers... so in fact, there is not one single noble idea here - NOT ONE.

In fact, how can one steal (as you like to call it) an physical process that have been proven decades before you and I where born. The intire process is based upon many scientific experiments, starting with Nicola Tesla (as an exemple). No sir, the only "noble" process is the combination put forth by many different researchers.
Sure you are writing a patent, the only problem with your writeup is that it is so called "old news" and very little is going to be concidered "a newly discovered event". I do not need the intire idea in order to understand the intire process.
Another part that needs to be concidered here is that a patent is only an illusion to protect oneself, so while you work on a piece of paper I continue to improve upon the process and method at hand.

I know you are not going to answer my next question, so let me do that for you.

"How can one steal a process in that originaly was created or put forth by nature"? You can't. It would be the same as saying that you invented water.

The only simimilarety between us is that we start with water and air, that is it. So, one more time - how can I steal something that was not put forth by you and which my system is not based upon??
You foudn me to be a treat becouse I recalculated the process and presented it to you and then you felt that I was on to you - sigh. We where both working on solving the old dream of using water as a fuel source and we did that together as many others are doing.

Mister "Tutanka" I could expose or should I say describe the process and hwo it is possible and WHY it is possible and also why it is supported by physics and not a magical process a long time ago if I so wanted to. The problem then is taht the process is in teh public doman and your writeup would no longer be valid. Public information can not be patented as long as the material is similar or the same as the literature presented in the document... so, but I know that would be unwise sinse I am also developing a system.
The differance between you and me is taht I KNOW that a patent is only an illusion for bussines persons and not for an inventor. I give it 6-8 months after patent is valid (IF you get to that point) until another company present an upgraded version/system.

So by all means, attack me, call me a lier and call me a thief, it does not change the fact that the system was invented by other researchers and yes, if I want to present an intire investigation why it is so, then I will do that. I know people today that worked with Meyer and if I call these persons, they will back the story behind it - It will take some time, but never the less, it can be done.

So, feel free to attack me at any time or just read what I write and be kind in your words - that is up to you. I can also chose to not write here anymore, lets ask the other members what they feel about that. Lets see what they think about chasing the story and knowledge by themself.
Someone ells besides you and me will present the process - for they are closer then ever and you are contributing to it, you just can't see that. SO what are you going to call other members that do this huh? also thies and liers or what.

What you did was to present the system or parts of the system to energeticforum, it was not me - you yourself described it and other members added the information you where not and it all started in another tread almost two years ago AND if that was not enough, you did not believe in parts of the physics for a long time... hmm, the world is a strange place indeed.

You call it "micronic fuel mixture" - FUEL MIXTURE (read that one more time everybody) he even tells you here what he is doing.. OMG. Now go and read Meyers patent(s) agane then go true the energeticfroum arcive and if you have the iq you will soon ad it all up, it is not that hard.
EVERYTHING IS ALLREADY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAN - everything!!

Oh well, I think I've said enogh on this subject, so lets get back on track.
....

Look at my last post where I wrote one answer - cation - that is one key mister Tutanka do not want you to discover just yet... but Tutanka do not own the rights to put forth physics and he does not own the process in creating things - all he "own" is the rights too his own device, that is all. Anyone can use the material Meyer put forth as they please at anytime.
Meyer is one of the reasearchers I look at in developing the system, but he is not the only one and should not be the only one since he also based his system upon prior work.

Do you get it now?

[blahblah]

Video of engine is now public .. and I can't ask clear.. after when my patent is out not problem. Regards

Hi Tutanka
Please can you post a link to the video of the engine

Thanks

[stevie1001]

Hi all,

I am normally not such a typing person with lots of pages of theory's, but here we go. Lets have a look at the theory of atoms and covalent and or electric bondings.

Atomsshells:
Shell number one can only hold 2 electrons, shell two can hold 8, and for the first eighteen elements shell three can hold a maximum of eight electrons.

Nitrogen:
7 protons and 7 electrons.
Atomic Mass: 14.00674 molar mass
5 standard electrons in shell 2 and space for 8
3 possible bonding options from itself

Hydrogen:
1 proton and 1 electron.
Atomic Mass: 1.00794 molar mass
No electrons in outer orbits.
No possible bonding options from it self

Oxygen:
8 protons and 8 electrons
Atomic Mass: 15.9994 molar mass
6 standard electrons in shell 2 and space for 8
2 possible bonding options from itself.

As we can see, the oxygen atom is the biggest and strongest and will pickup the electron from the hydrogen atom and makes his bonding.
This is a proces that cannot be avoided.

So what do we want to achieve? Are we looking for a new mix of gasses with Ammonia as target?
OR
Do we want to prevent the oxygen atom and hydrogen atom to combine into H20?

Stan Meyer said that he succesfull slowed down the burnrate of his HHO mix.
He also talked about opening some kind of energy vortex, which was for me a bit wird.

What would happen if we could delay the combining from these 2 atoms?
The combining of these atom happens by force of combusting.
Now lets combust and prevent combining.....
What will happen?
Do we get a combustion reaction?
What will be the outlet gasmix?
Do we get H and O back in a lower state of energy and are we able to re-use it?

Here is an article about feeding electrons and prevending covalent bondings.
Its about Mr. Wong.
His method is straightforward: He pumps negative charges into the chamber, supplying chlorine atoms with the electrons they would otherwise take from ozone. Once the chlorine picks up an electron, it won’t react with ozone.

Blimps to the Rescue | Global Warming | DISCOVER Magazine

Dear members. Please write your thoughts about this here.
You would help me a lot with it.


Steve


www.ionizationx.com

[Aaron]

a key?

Nitrogen:
3 possible bonding options from itself

Yes

As we can see, the oxygen atom is the biggest and strongest and will pickup the electron from the hydrogen atom and makes his bonding.
This is a process that cannot be avoided.

Unless...

[tutanka]

You call it "micronic fuel mixture" - FUEL MIXTURE (read that one more time everybody) he even tells you here what he is doing.. OMG. Now go and read Meyers patent(s) agane then go true the energeticfroum arcive and if you have the iq you will soon ad it all up, it is not that hard.
EVERYTHING IS ALLREADY IN THE PUBLIC DOMAN - everything!!

Dear Mister "BLAHBLAH" .. All you know about that is thanks to me.. you have used me for free.. but you know in part the process.. however if everything is already of public domain as you wrote why you don't explain clear to peoples? Or you have fear that I copy you?? The truth is that you are only an young and arrogant man and sincerely I do not have time to lose with people like you.

[blahblah]

Dear Mister "BLAHBLAH" .. All you know about that is thanks to me.. you have used me for free.. but you know in part the process.. however if everything is already of public domain as you wrote why you don't explain clear to peoples? Or you have fear that I copy you?? The truth is that you are only an young and arrogant man and sincerely I do not have time to lose with people like you.

Hi Tutanka

You said Dear Mister "BLAHBLAH"

Tutanka ...you are not meaning to refer to me in your post in anyway are you ?

Thanks

[sucahyo]

Suc: Why you think we need + and - ions? The ionized atoms all want stability.
So, if they are missing electrons, they WILL steel it. They take free floating electrons or the seek a bond with other atoms...

This also answer steve1001. If we sant slower burning gas, it is NH3. ionized N from air and ionized H from water. Since effective ionizer need two pole then:
1. The Basics of Air Ionization for High-Technology Manufacturing Applications

Pulsed Dc Ionization. Positive and negative high-voltage currents to the emitter points are alternately turned on and off in pulsed systems, creating clouds of positive and negative ions that mix together in the work area. The result is a dramatic lowering of the recombination rate.

2. We have at least two processor. Water (vapour) processor and ambient gas processor. We arrange it in a way that the H ion from water vapor processor will join with N ion from ambient gas processor before both of them stabilize. Meyer's way is:

[tutanka]

Hi Tutanka

You said Dear Mister "BLAHBLAH"

Tutanka ...you are not meaning to refer to me in your post in anyway are you ?

Thanks

Hello,
Casually your nick name is blahblah.. but I refer to oneminde as Mister BLAHBLAH not you.. Regards

[tutanka]

This also answer steve1001. If we sant slower burning gas, it is NH3. ionized N from air and ionized H from water. Since effective ionizer need two pole then:
1. The Basics of Air Ionization for High-Technology Manufacturing Applications


2. We have at least two processor. Water (vapour) processor and ambient gas processor. We arrange it in a way that the H ion from water vapor processor will join with N ion from ambient gas processor before both of them stabilize. Meyer's way is:

Sucahyo,
From your image diagram I don't also see positive oxygen generated from ionizer, that is lost?

And now maybe you can see what is real function of EEC..