Ionization & Water Fuel

[sucahyo]

Sucahyo,
From your image diagram I don't also see positive oxygen generated from ionizer, that is lost?

And now maybe you can see what is real function of EEC..

Actually, I forgot which one is positive when the ambient air is being ionized . N2 and O2 both would be splitted to N- and N+, and O- and O+, maybe.....

What I imagine is the center of water tube is HV+ (attract O- from water). between water and ambient is HV- (attract H+ from water, attract N- from ambient air), and between ambient and gas exhaust is HV+.

[tutanka]

Actually, I forgot which one is positive when the ambient air is being ionized . N2 and O2 both would be splitted to N- and N+, and O- and O+, maybe.....

What I imagine is the center of water tube is HV+ (attract O- from water). between water and ambient is HV- (attract H+ from water, attract N- from ambient air), and between ambient and gas exhaust is HV+.

Sincerely I don't understand why you want use an gas processor also for water.. oneminde wrote that all is clear but do not seem.. Regards

[tutanka]

Actually, I forgot which one is positive when the ambient air is being ionized . N2 and O2 both would be splitted to N- and N+, and O- and O+, maybe.....

What I imagine is the center of water tube is HV+ (attract O- from water). between water and ambient is HV- (attract H+ from water, attract N- from ambient air), and between ambient and gas exhaust is HV+.

I suppose that in your mind you have some confusion..you need to think ONLY with your mind not with minds of h2opower, oneminde, etc..... ionization is only one necessary stage but why use dc pulsed?? you need to focalized into your mind complete meyer system.. meyer have started first from wfc and after have changed design.. why that? and why meyer use water heated for use in mixing chambre? these are only three points BUT ARE IMPORTANT for understand how system work .. I'm sure that you reach illumination in an little time

[sucahyo]

Sincerely I don't understand why you want use an gas processor also for water.. oneminde wrote that all is clear but do not seem.. Regards

water is water vapor of hho or water droplet. Easier for me.

ionization is only one necessary stage but why use dc pulsed??

dc pulsed allow longer ion separation. Ion will keep separated much longer than usual 2-3 seconds according to the link, which is required if the ionizer placed before air filter.

[stevie1001]

Facts:

Burning velocities of hydrogen-air and hydrogen-oxygen mixtures.
The burning velocity is a function of the fuel and the oxidizer and the mixture ratio.

Hydrogen = fuel
Oxygen = oxidizer

Burnrate of hydrogen+oxygen = 10 m/s till like 36.8 m/s
Burnrate of hydrogen+ air = 1.8 m/s till like 4.4 m/s
Burnrate of unleaded petrol = 0.34 m/s

Gasoline FAQ - Part 4 of 4

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Now back to our subject here.

Hydrogen does NOT burn without use of Oxygen.
The amount of Oxygen dictates burn velocity of the HHO and air mix.

By adding electrons to this mix of gasses, we will eliminate (neutrilizes) the oxygen atoms. We neutrilize till a level that the right burnrate velocity has been achieved.

Because we need a sertain amount of gasvolume running thru the engine, we need the ambient air. So, the output of a Wfc, mixed with ambient air provides the amount of volume needed in the engine.
The addition of electrons makes the gas mix similair to petrol by neutrilizing a part of the Oxygen atoms (aka oxidizer).


CASE SOLVED (i think )

Steve



www.ionizationx.com

[stevie1001]

Now think futher:

What would happen if you where able to create an airflow with lots of "extra" electrons and make that airflow buble into the bottum of a waterbucket.
What could happen here?

Because there is always a jumping of hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms, it would be very possible that the oxygen atom will bond with the free elctrons and we will get pure hydrogen out of the water without electrolysis......

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
My mind is getting crazy now...... : :

Steve

[tutanka]

Facts:

Burning velocities of hydrogen-air and hydrogen-oxygen mixtures.
The burning velocity is a function of the fuel and the oxidizer and the mixture ratio.

Hydrogen = fuel
Oxygen = oxidizer

Burnrate of hydrogen+oxygen = 10 m/s till like 36.8 m/s
Burnrate of hydrogen+ air = 1.8 m/s till like 4.4 m/s
Burnrate of unleaded petrol = 0.34 m/s

Gasoline FAQ - Part 4 of 4

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Now back to our subject here.

Hydrogen does NOT burn without use of Oxygen.
The amount of Oxygen dictates burn velocity of the HHO and air mix.

By adding electrons to this mix of gasses, we will eliminate (neutrilizes) the oxygen atoms. We neutrilize till a level that the right burnrate velocity has been achieved.

Because we need a sertain amount of gasvolume running thru the engine, we need the ambient air. So, the output of a Wfc, mixed with ambient air provides the amount of volume needed in the engine.
The addition of electrons makes the gas mix similair to petrol by neutrilizing a part of the Oxygen atoms (aka oxidizer).


CASE SOLVED (i think )

Steve




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You wrote: "the output of a Wfc, mixed with ambient air provides the amount of volume needed in the engine"..

Steve sorry but you have mistake to interpret the true sense of gas processor.. with only 7 lt/minute of hho plus ambient air your engine doesn't work; this is chemical not magic and the case isn't solved..

[HairBear]

Are you guys implying the final design of Stan Meyer used a WFC prior to injection? Why make HHO before the injector when the injector does all of the processes in itself?

[Aaron]

@Steve

As we can see, the oxygen atom is the biggest and strongest and will pickup the electron from the hydrogen atom and makes his bonding.
This is a proces that cannot be avoided.

Again Steve... UNLESS... what?

To begin with, what makes you think that if oxygen is bigger than nitrogen
that it is the strongest? Is that a fact or your own idea?

[argonian1]

Always worth a view: Water-fueled car - a knol by gaby de wilde

[sucahyo]

By adding electrons to this mix of gasses, we will eliminate (neutrilizes) the oxygen atoms. We neutrilize till a level that the right burnrate velocity has been achieved.

How? With what? Please explain.

What would happen if you where able to create an airflow with lots of "extra" electrons and make that airflow buble into the bottum of a waterbucket.

If this happen on the same chamber there must be other that "lost many" electrons, how do we separate it?

Meyer use EEC or very small pipe to prevent O and H recombination, but never mention their separation.

[tutanka]

Judging by Tutankas engine video he will know by now what would have been Meyers next patent if he had of survived. I dont blame him for the guessing game as most people would find the truth to simple to be believable and therefore ignore it, as what happens with most working free energy ideas. There are hundreds of them. He has simply understood and replicated the Meyers THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY patent. He may have bypassed and replaced an event in the patent or two I'm not sure but it doesn't matter. This patent is over ten years old and can be modified, improved upon(or easily simplified). His engine has unnecessary components which I am sure he is well aware of. Most notably and obviously expressed in the video....AN EXHAUST PIPE.
When Tutanka says think SIMPLE I assume he means think NATURAL as in ordinary events. ie humidity, condensation, wind, pressure, vacuum, UV, charged particles, ball lightning etc.
People know to be true..only what they choose to understand.
Keep them guessing and learning Tutanka NDA. U sound to intelligent to end up as one of a hundred links on some guys free energy website 2 years from now.

Hello,
I don't have any secret.. in fact my mind have analized ONLY meyer system, differences from WFC to Injector.. and yes.. need to think simple.. you don't need complicated circuits or impossibles mechanical designs.. Regards

[stevie1001]

Again Steve... UNLESS... what?

To begin with, what makes you think that if oxygen is bigger than nitrogen
that it is the strongest? Is that a fact or your own idea?

Hi Aaron,

I must assume that what my teachers and what wikipedia and lots of other information sources say is right. I havent the knowledge or equipment to test this knowledge. Facts? Yes, i think so.

What i learned by them is that the biggest mass wins. Thats why the oxygen atom that comes from our electrolysis proces wants to combine with the hydrogen atom. This is because the oxygen atom which we have after the electrolysis proces has room left for 2 electrons in his outer shell. By law of quatum mechanics, he must fill it, to get into a stable state.

Stan meyer explained it as well in same of his video's.

If the oxygen atom has filled his shell up, it will not change back into something else. There is no need for or proces that is doing that.
What is left in the mix is hydrogen with 1 electron and nitrogen with some electrons missing.
So, what happens next?

Some hydrogen atoms will bond with nitrogen and we will get Ammonia, which is good, because it levels on the same burn velocity as petrol.
We also have hydrogen atom with a certain amount of oxygen atoms that will bond in the burn proces at the same level as petrol too.
We end up with a much higher efficiency use of the hydrogen we produce.

Stevie


Nitrogen:
7 protons and 7 electrons.
Atomic Mass: 14.00674 molar mass
5 standard electrons in shell 2 and space for 8

Hydrogen:
1 proton and 1 electron.
Atomic Mass: 1.00794 molar mass

Oxygen:
8 protons and 8 electrons
Atomic Mass: 15.9994 molar mass
6 standard electrons in shell 2 and space for 8



Tutanka and i speak about a different proces, btw. He works with waterinjection and i talk about HHO injection.

[stevie1001]

Hey Stevie. Check out this. YouTube - 75ml hho+kolben Take notice of the vacuum force or implosion force or whatever u wanna call it. How would u build an engine to utilize this force? Not to hard is it?

Well, It would be something new.
I ll guess you must have something like 2 pistons in one cylinder?

Stevie

[mogli]

Explosion and implosion of HHO

Hey!

I am new to the forum but not new to the topic.

Hey Stevie. Check out this. YouTube - 75ml hho+kolben Take notice of the vacuum force or implosion force or whatever u wanna call it. How would u build an engine to utilize this force? Not to hard is it?

I am a member of an energy related research group and also made some experiments to research the explosion and implosion of HHO.
The experimental setup can be found here:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smugB3UNkh8
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgnD8xJy4Kk
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOv97mCOhDw

And the findings can be found here:

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4_MxEhfn8k
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soEwvDuPi3U

A friend of mine (his name is erzketzer1 on youtube) does also a lot of very interesting experiments:
http://http://www.youtube.com/user/erzketzer1#p/u

I hope that's not off-topic.

Cheers!