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    Originally posted by Slovenia View Post
    You make a very good point. Perhaps more of us will be able to connect all the dots soon.
    For many, the simply reality that nh3 can be made on demand must be
    realized and for them, until they do, they're going to be chasing magic
    potions.

    These old references I just posted are not showing this method, but it
    should open some minds as to the reality that nh3 can be created out
    of thin air, literally, with some water and electricity - and once this fact
    becomes a reality in their mind, it should be easier to swallow the facts.

    The sad thing is that the die hard Meyer believers - (the ones that believe
    what he says word for word) - could be the greatest allies and supporters
    of the real method but unfortunately, too many of them are more
    interested in finding things that support their pre-conceived ideas instead
    of being teachable enough to swallow their pride that they may have been
    wrong about their perceptions all along. I don't see why it is so hard for
    some people to simply let go of what they have believed if something else
    comes along that makes more sense. It is one of the few ways I have ever
    made progress in my life. Not getting attached to illusions that I created
    for myself.

    I believed mostly like what H2Opower and the others believed, but it was
    several years back that I stopped on that path because it became
    overwhelming common sense that it was NOT about producing as much
    HHO as possible to run an engine. I knew there was something missing with
    the ionization and "non-combustible gases". When the water spark plug
    circuit came around, that was the first breath of fresh air because it was
    obvious of the implications of a real plasma ignition with water fuel systems.

    When Tutanka started to allude to some things in h2opower's thread,
    I had no idea he has been posting for almost a year at that point. I just
    happened to glance in that thread and saw a few of his posts that alluded
    to something that I could feel was exactly what I was looking for and that
    was missing from Meyer's explanations.

    Some of the Meyer believers had called me the closed-minded one, yet
    I was able to transition over to the chemistry and method that actually
    did make sense as going by what Meyer says has more holes than a fishing
    net. And over a couple weeks of starting this thread, there was more
    truth about the water fuel system than any other single thread on the
    entire internet. It is just unfortunate that not only do they not see it, it appears
    they actually have no desire to see it.

    Mike brought up that atomic hydrogen will just go past the rings and
    create a serious hazard. This was brought up before and was mentioned
    that a bigger molecule was needed that won't create the hazard of working
    with just hho - that ought to be a serious common sense clue that hho
    only is NOT the way and the Meyer believers that think it is about creating
    masses of HHO cannot get around this issue, but of course they'll probably
    look the other way, pretend it isn't an issue and will simply post references
    to back their beliefs that it MUST be like what they thought it was all
    along.

    Here's the last thing I'm saying about it - is that anyone interested
    should go through this thread and read every post about nitrogen being a
    natural EEC - Good luck to everyone and their experiments!
    Sincerely,
    Aaron Murakami

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    • thank you!

      Originally posted by Slovenia View Post
      You are very much appreciated. Thanks for sharing with us. You have put a lot of time and effort into this.
      Thank you!

      I will always give credit to a very small group of dedicated and brilliant folks
      that paved the way and they're all here in the forum except for for Meyer.
      Sincerely,
      Aaron Murakami

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      • Originally posted by Michael John Nunnerley View Post
        Hi All

        This is just a bit of advice, If you run your engine on HHO "ONLY" you run the risk of blowing up the engine, why?, if the H is H1 "atomic" on compresson it can pass the rings and end up in the sump, and what can happen? well I will leave that up to the imagination!!!!!!!!!!!

        Mike
        Mike,

        On what basis is your "advise" based?
        Did you have any practical experience with this?
        Or is this some kind of counter attacking action thing.....

        For your info:
        An engine runs perfect on HHO with ambient air and when you use in the proces an ionizer, you end up with an even better running engine.
        That you all can have from my personall experiments.

        Everybody: Please continue with your experiments. I know its wort it.

        Stevie1001


        www.ionizationx.com

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        • Mike is one of the good guys!!

          Originally posted by stevie1001 View Post
          Mike,

          On what basis is your "advise" based?
          Did you have any practical experience with this?
          Or is this some kind of counter attacking action thing.....

          For your info:
          An engine runs perfect on HHO with ambient air and when you use in the proces an ionizer, you end up with an even better running engine.
          That you all can have from my personall experiments.

          Everybody: Please continue with your experiments. I know its wort it.

          Stevie1001


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          Stevie1001,

          Mike is one of the good guys. He has much experience and he is not a trouble maker.

          Best Regards,
          Slovenia

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          • Unfortunate

            Originally posted by Aaron View Post
            These are all references, which I yanked out of a very lengthy paper that I wrote up and have decided I am not going to release anymore.
            Hi Aaron,

            It's unfortunate for us all that you have decided not to release your paper now. It's unfortunate because you are a very good teacher. You have a way of simplifying even the most difficult processes so that anyone can follow and understand them.

            Anyway, we appreciate all the things which you have shared with us. Many in this forum are very silent but I think that most of us including the silent ones appreciate all your hard work and what you have shared with us. Thanks so much for what you have shared!!

            Best Regards,
            Slovenia

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            • I know someone that this has happened

              [QUOTE=stevie1001;90061]Mike,

              On what basis is your "advise" based?
              Did you have any practical experience with this?
              Or is this some kind of counter attacking action thing.....

              For your info:
              An engine runs perfect on HHO with ambient air and when you use in the proces an ionizer, you end up with an even better running engine.
              That you all can have from my personall experiments.

              Everybody: Please continue with your experiments. I know its wort it.

              Stevie1001
              I am sorry but if you continue running an engine WITH PISTONS FOR COMPRESSION, some time or other you will bow it up and maybe you. If you mix it with petrol or another carbon fuel then the risk is less.

              H1 is so thin that it will pass the rings and end up in the sump, one good spark and bang. I am talking H1 not H2, what comes from electrolysis is H1 to start with, but in a very small space of time it will combine H1+H1=H2, but if some gets through as H1 look out
              Mike

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              • I have questions

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                Last edited by chasson321; 05-17-2010, 04:00 AM.

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                • Originally posted by chasson321 View Post
                  I have questions regarding all these theories on Stanly Meyer's work.
                  After reading everything the first theory was N2O, then it went to NO2, then to N(OH)2 and now NH3. I know some of these questions may get some people mad but these question have to be asked so forgive me if I make anyone upset. Remember I am no body just a man with questions.

                  Now the first question I have is just where is the NH3 going to be produced and what would be the energy content of the NH3 produced? If you can plot it on this graph or make a similar one just like in the same units that would be helpful. H2opower says that the conditions are: Engine at idle, air flowing through the intake system is approximately 32ft./sec, and the water temperature is around 60-90 degrees C.

                  Second question is given such a short time frame can any of you show the events as they take place for all of us for I am sure I am not the only one with questions so I can see what you are purposing works? This should not give any secrets away just show a time table of the events as then take place so we all can see what is taking place as h2opower did. This would go a long ways on clearing things up in the minds of many reading all of this. Remember I am no one, just a man with questions.

                  Thanks for not getting mad,
                  Tim
                  My question instead is .. why you want to know these informations if you believe on h2opower theory?
                  If I released an diagram you understand completey process and that isn't possible for the moment.. However not only ammonia is released from the reaction.. ambient air is necessary for combustion and also heated water, you don't need to heated that at 90°C as meyer but use other method because you lost some energy in that phase. As written to Suchayo.. you don't have to read the words presents on meyer patents but ONLY open your mind and see the image of meyer injection system..if you want use that combustible inside diesel engines YOU NEED NECESSARY an extra activation energy because isn't sufficient the only compression of diesel engine for start reaction of combustion. Oneminde wrote wrote but in fact don't test anything.. him don't have an laboratory, all experiments are created only inside yours mind. Regards
                  Last edited by tutanka; 06-07-2010, 10:45 PM.

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                  • "Stan Meyer Explaned" Thread-Focus Tutanka's posting

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                    • Originally posted by chasson321 View Post
                      Tutanka,

                      I have been going through all your posts mainly focusing on your posts in the Stan Meyer Explained thread. It is interesting reading, everybody should read it.

                      Before you and h2opower started butting heads, one can see you asked many questions of him and he tried to answers all those he could. Here is one post of yours.

                      post 256

                      I'm an italian private researcher... As many peoples I was focalized on standard ho cells but when I have read thred of H2OPOWER my mind has been illuminated. The way for obtain high amount of energyu is work in this direction but I think isn't present only one solution.. Importat is understand concept of functionality.... after is only question of intuition.. For it I think that isn't needed complicated circuits .. in nature don't exist anything of complicated.. all is simple.. and for this concept must be created an water system energy... simply using HV fields and imagination.. Regards


                      It is correct that I do not understand your process.

                      Just to be sure, is the end result of your process the production of Nh3?

                      There are other post of yours in that thread which you state both ways would work. Do you still hold that position? I'll will find thoses posts if you would like.

                      Aaron made a dare and h2opower seems to have answered that dare, for when I read his reseach on Stan Meyers work it all seems very clear to me and the patent makes sense when before reading his work it did not. Please if you would just answer the questions I have, all of them to including the ones on energy content concerning the graph. From what I can tell people get made at him for he is a very slow builder of things he talks about, but he is building at his own pace and I can respect that.

                      Just trying to understand it all.

                      Tim
                      HI Tim,
                      I have answer today about that.. "not only ammonia (NH3) is released from the reaction".. however THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY is effectively released from final reaction.. it is a my supposition that the patents of meyer have been modified for preserve the secret.. I have posted the complete meyer injection system, I have suggested to Aaron to see that image every day because I'm sure that to the end the solution comes outside.. Regards

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                      • Originally posted by tutanka View Post
                        HI Tim,
                        I have answer today about that.. "not only ammonia (NH3) is released from the reaction".. however THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY is effectively released from final reaction.. it is a my supposition that the patents of meyer have been modified for preserve the secret.. I have posted the complete meyer injection system, I have suggested to Aaron to see that image every day because I'm sure that to the end the solution comes outside.. Regards
                        Tutanka,
                        if it’s not a secret,
                        at what crank angles do you crate plasma and
                        develop maximum pressure inside cylinders?
                        Thanks
                        Al

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                        • last edit...
                          Last edited by chasson321; 05-17-2010, 04:02 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Aaron View Post
                            The mechanism proposed was that H2+ and N2+ appearing at 16 V and 17V respectively gave H and N atoms on collision, and that later increased combination was due to the activation of H by 4 V electrons. Later Kwei found that NH3 band spectrum was not excited in hydrogen mixtures until 23V was reached. This voltage corresponds to the second jump in Storch and Olson’s curve.
                            That is gold .

                            Originally posted by Vickers
                            Alcohol flame = CO2 + Nitrogen. Hydrogen flame = H20 + Nitrogen. I cant see a water drain. If your trying to make a gas safer than natural gas y use one non combustable when u can have two?
                            Wrong, alcohol flame also produce water.

                            Ethanol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
                            Complete combustion of ethanol forms carbon dioxide and water:
                            When people talk about water in the WFC system, it not need to be in liquid. Water often take form as vapor when form as result of flaming. Do not need water drain. Normal car produce water vapor too.

                            From what I read so far, WFC need carbon as lubrication, not as ethanol maker. If you use it as part as the fuel, you don't call it water fuel.

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                            • Originally posted by chasson321 View Post
                              Second question is given such a short time frame can any of you show the events as they take place for all of us for I am sure I am not the only one with questions so I can see what you are purposing works?
                              I am not that good of calculating energy. The closest answer I can provide is this graph:
                              source is a document from http://www.energy.iastate.edu/renewa...ia/ammonia.htm


                              The input electricity will ionize the ambient air and the water. There is additional "free" heat input from exhaust temperature or radiator. From the graph the power should be close to gasoline.

                              Originally posted by chasson321 View Post
                              He added in NH3 fuel.
                              NH3 was once a fuel for vehicle too even if it half energy according to h20power. The problem is if we can make it on board in the range of 15% to 25% ratio with air.


                              for cracking temperature:
                              Philippe B. de l'Arc - Histoire de la voiture electrique
                              Last edited by sucahyo; 03-29-2010, 08:32 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by aljhoa View Post
                                Tutanka,
                                if it’s not a secret,
                                at what crank angles do you crate plasma and
                                develop maximum pressure inside cylinders?
                                Thanks
                                Al
                                Hello,
                                The angle of ignition is the same of gasoline, problem is energy discharge that must be not low and plug can be destroyed if you don't use tungsten. Maybe exist other method for obtain same result with low energy and normal plugs .. Regards
                                Last edited by tutanka; 03-29-2010, 05:58 AM.

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