Ionization & Water Fuel

[chasson321]

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[Oneminde]

Hi Rick123,

That is why I ask the questions I did, but sadly none of my questions got answered. When looking at the graph h2opower made I too can't see just where the NH3 or anything else that would be created, like N(OH)2, NO2, or N2O that are supposed to be made prior to combustion. My question was where are they being formed? I just wanted to understand his theory and am left with more questions than answers at this point. If you ask me h2opowers version of the events seems far more simpler, but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. To me it is far more likely that only hydrogen and oxygen are reacting in the combustion chamber forming the water molecule for that is simple and given the time frame shown in the graph it seems more likely also. I just had and still have questions, but none of them are being answered. I guess you see this too, right?

Just trying to understand all of this,
Tim.

I think this will help (covalent and electron bonding)
Covalent Bonding and Electron Pair Sharing

[Oneminde]

Only water vapor?

H2O + N2

[rick123]

I posted water vapor because I believe it to be the most valuable. You are already obtaining unlimited amounts on N2 in ambient air.
If a post is directed towards a member (tutanka) then there is no reason for anyone to post with a bunch of nonsense, that dose nothing but take up space. Sickening listening to people who act as though they have the answers and want to string everyone along. know post a link to some more crap about covalent bonding *rolls eyes*.

[Damian]

More Pics and Information about smitkin engine

This page is from archive.org 2000 year:click

[sucahyo]

It looked like some of Meyers work, I told u how to take advantage of it but u didnt hear so I figured u actually needed to use this diagram because u r trying to alter your hydrogen burn speed or transport it. I was just trying to help u understand how it worked. U asked the question. U would not want water vapor in your gas, especially if u are compressing it. It just turns to water. Ask a an air compressor.

Your suggestion do not make sense for me.

What do you think if its Meyer who said it? because he does mention water vapor:

The regulation of the burn rate of the hydrogen fuel which is of crucial importance in a hydrogen fueled internal combustion engine according to the system of the invention, is determined by the relative proportion of the mixture of the hydrogen containing fuel gas with ambient air or exhaust gas including water vapor that is recycled into the engine.
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Thus, inert water vapor exhaust gas, as well as ambient air, is used as a dilutent.

more on http://www.energeticforum.com/83680-post5.html.

The two to one mix of hydrogen to oxygen in the water molecule is continued troughout the Water Fuel Injection process, thus insuring only negligible amount of nitrous oxide will be formed. The by-product of the WFC Water Fuel Injection process is water mist. Thus water mist goes back into the environment, and is reenergized by the sunlight (photon energy absorption). Then it can be caught again as rain water and recycled through the engine. This can be done as either an open or closed loop system.

more on http://www.energeticforum.com/84553-post25.html.

Also meyer do make sure that water do not created during gas travel:

The newly liberated water molecule atoms (oxygen 76 and hydrogen atoms 77a/77b) immediately interact with laser primed ionized ambient air gases (7a xxx 7n of Figure 1-15) (see WFC memo 420) to cause the resultant highly energized and mass destabilized combustible gas atoms (93a xxx 93n) of Figure (4-10) to perform Hydrogen Fracturing Process (80) of Figure (49) when electrostatic force (14/16) thermally ignites (kinetic agitation) destabilized water-fuel mixture (93a xxx 93n) under gas compression ... preventing the formation of the water molecule during thermal gas ignition…satisfying Energy Gas Detonation Equation.

"Immediately interact" is made bold to signify the important of reaction of "liberated water molecule atoms" WITH "ionized ambient air gases". What ever you think "ionized ambient air gases" (or at patent: "ionized non-combustable gases") is, it is surely not carbon.

[tutanka]

http://web.archive.org/web/200010032...89/smitkin.jpg

Sorry but the engine indicated is completely different from mine.. Regards

[tutanka]

Why meyer use exhaust gas?

The exhaust gas would contain water vapor to be recycled back into gas process.

Answer: NO SORRY!

Why meyer use ionized air?

Ionized air is more conductive. (Lighting)

ANSWER: SORRY BUT ONLY POSITIVE IONS AS MEYER USE DON'T CREATE CONDUCTIVE AIR

Why isn't present any internal design of mixing chamber?

It was a secret or
It was just mixing chamber for gas, very simple.


ANSWER: SIMPLE? NO SORRY, YOU NEED PARTICULAR SYSTEM FOR MIX WATER WITH AIR
Why was Meyers using light?

Bombarding the H and O atoms with photons, as Stan said “makes the atoms not want to form water”.

ANSWER: NO! PHOTONS ARE USED ONLY FOR AIR IONIZATION

How is nh3 formed if at all?

Would have to happen during combustion. The only place were temperature and pressure would be adequate

ANSWER: ABSOLUTELY NO!! DURING COMBUSTION YOU BURN NOT CREATE ANYTHING

[stevie1001]

Combustion

"Any form of combustion generates positive ions. All gas molecules and smoke particles resulting from combustion are positively charged. This is why people become sleepy, dull-witted or irritable in an inadequately ventilated room with an open fire -- or hazy with tobacco smoke. It is not generally realized that humanlife processes involve the combustion (oxidation) of fuel (nutrients), and that people take in negative charges and give off positive ones. This is why, in crowded rooms without adequate ventilation, people often have headaches(ref 1,2), become sleepy, dull-witted or irritable(ref 1,3) in the 'heavy' air -- typical examples of the SIS problem."

Another one
Measurement of Ion Formation during Combustion

Indoor Air Quality and the Serotonin Irritation Syndrome - hospital hepa unit air cleaners, air odor cleaners, air filtration system medical device, ion air cleaners, air purifier reviews, health effects air purifiers, asbestos abatement air cleaners


Just some quotes i found...
Maybe that why Stan added exhaust gasses into his system...

Stevie

[sucahyo]

"Any form of combustion generates positive ions. All gas molecules and smoke particles resulting from combustion are positively charged. This is why people become sleepy, dull-witted or irritable in an inadequately ventilated room with an open fire -- or hazy with tobacco smoke. It is not generally realized that humanlife processes involve the combustion (oxidation) of fuel (nutrients), and that people take in negative charges and give off positive ones. This is why, in crowded rooms without adequate ventilation, people often have headaches(ref 1,2), become sleepy, dull-witted or irritable(ref 1,3) in the 'heavy' air -- typical examples of the SIS problem."

From Odyle perspective, that is not the effect of positive ion, but that is the effect of od-positive (which give negative effect). I think engine produce od positive charge because the metal and the heat/explosion. That is why people suffering cramp should not be crowded or put at the output of a car exhaust. I think this do not relate to chemical reaction of matter.

[vrand]

Congratulations

Any estimate on when we can purchase the design to fuel a genset to make electricity for our homes?

Thanks, Mike

Energetic forum,


I've been asked to make a special public announcement here on behalf of my team, regarding the project we've been secretly working on, namely, getting any and all engines to run without the use of a fossil based fuel.

The readers of this thread would already be aware that Tutanka, Moose53, and myself, have been diligently plugging away at resolving this issue, and we would now like to state publicly that we have succeeded.

We would like to say that we have confirmed the processes required to make any engine run on this new fuel(essentially water).

We are currently in the process of putting together a proof of concept disclosure.

Please allow us a few short weeks to get that done, at which time, we will go viral and make a general media announcement.

There is still much to do with regard to addressing a marketing approach, and we will be seeking advices of those people who are experts in those fields when the time comes, but for now, we simply ask that everyone remain patient and allow us to get on with the task at hand, thereby allowing us to get this project to completion in the shortest possible time.

We formally ask that everyone please respect our privacy and refrain from slowing us down by asking questions of us here on the forum. We also ask that people please stop sending us PM messages for now too.

We need to apply all our time and focus on what we're doing, thus for us to take the time to respond to any questions is only slowing us down as well as slowing down the release of this technology.

Thank you for being patient.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Just hazed over

Thanks Damian. I'm amazed u found that.

OK Sucahyo, I am finally on the same page as u. I read all your theory and looked at the ancient Meyer stuff again. What exactly are u trying to accomplish? If u r going too keep asking me questions it would be a lot easier for me to help u if I understood your goal.

Tutanka? Why is Meyers being discredited here? Why on earth would anyone in their right mind create a false patent? It totally defeats the purpose. U know that?

Meyer hazed over his patents, like looking at a box but do not know what is inside it, or exactly inside it, would be more correct. I do not know whether he was nieve or very clever, maybe a bit of both.

Mike

[bussi04]

Thanks Damian. I'm amazed u found that.

OK Sucahyo, I am finally on the same page as u. I read all your theory and looked at the ancient Meyer stuff again. What exactly are u trying to accomplish? If u r going too keep asking me questions it would be a lot easier for me to help u if I understood your goal.

Tutanka? Why is Meyers being discredited here? Why on earth would anyone in their right mind create a false patent? It totally defeats the purpose. U know that?

Why discrediting a dead man having gone so far on his way to success?
Meyer produced and showed results. Noone else here did the same, did he?
Discussions make sense as long as leading to practial results. Tutanka claims to have gotten a result http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post89826 but he doesn´t show nor claims to have reached overunitiy energy output. So it seems to be a long way to practical results here and who dares?

greetings,
bussi04

[chasson321]

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[sucahyo]

OK Sucahyo, I am finally on the same page as u. I read all your theory and looked at the ancient Meyer stuff again. What exactly are u trying to accomplish? If u r going too keep asking me questions it would be a lot easier for me to help u if I understood your goal.

Making a HV powered tube with construction similar to meyer pipe:


If heating and vortexing is possible, maybe it can be built without HV, or just part of them will be charged with hv


Progress will be very slow. What ever come out from this device should provide answer.