Ionization & Water Fuel

[sebosfato]

Guys may i tell you something

in the combustion chamber the mentioned 7,4ul of water meyer told us he was injecting totalise not even 4% of the cylinders how much of this hydrogen could be lost in the cylinder ??? i don't think to much... i have a friend witch ran his bike with a series cell... on h2 and it ran ok he said that adding charged air to the intake gave him a 30% better performance..

i have a racket for killing flys that uses only 2 1,5 v batteries and create a very nice odor of ozone.. . even with no visible discharge... there might be 2,5kv

[sucahyo]

Meyer said

" and the water de-energized will go to the atmosphere and be again energized by the incoming sun rays...

From Meyer news:

The by-product of the WFC Water Fuel Injection process is water mist. Thus water mist goes back into the environment, and is reenergized by the sunlight (photon energy absorption). Then it can be caught again as rain water and recycled trough the engine. This can be done as either an open or closed loop system.

I translate it as Meyer use a glass box exposed to sunlight to condense the water for recirculation.

Corona discharge produces Ozone but do you think that it also produces Positive Nitrogen Ions?

It would produce nitrogen ion, not sure about polarity.

A mixture of ozone and oxygen may be obtained by subjecting pure oxygen to the influence of the silent discharge. Nitrogen must be absent, since the conditions which favour the production of ozone lead also to the formation of oxides of nitrogen. The gas must not be brought into contact either with rubber or with mercury, both of which are attacked by ozone. The gas does not, however, act upon paraffin, and stopcocks may be lubricated with metaphosphoric acid.

[tutanka]

I looked through about 75% of the book that Schpankme posted
last night - very simple straight forward explanations - even nh3 reference
from just nitrogen + hydrogen + silent electric discharge

page 26 - [I]"With Nitrogen* Donkin has shown that when a
mixture of hydrogen and nitrogen is subjected to the
silent electric discharge, a partial union of the two gases
takes place, with the formation of ammonia :
N2 + 3H2 = 2NH3 .

Aaron,
I don't uderstand why you continue to mentioned hydrogen/nitrogen when you have water/nitrogen.. the reactions are completely differents.. Regards

[sebosfato]

Hy sucayo

i talked to a doc in physics and he asked me about the energy, where might if come from???

Magnets creates very huge force "witch is not consumed in an electronic circuit..."

Could this force, make the bound become wicker? Would it allow huge current to pass thru the water at lower voltage than 1,24 voltss?? i guess

Could it change the configuration of the electrons changing the angle° of the molecule, well i guess

Meyer didn't reused the water, he stated this... the water should be reenergized, he showed the energy reside in the water and that energy actually come from the sun... thats why i thought that the exhaust could be OH ion or something like that because when it goes to the atmosphere would get together with other water molecules and receive sun rays to reenergize... re bound ...

when the doc asked me about the energy conservation cycle i could picture that meyer showed that diagram with the sun and that lines witch seems quite a lot with the zemman effect pictures...

i thought the cycle of the energy could be bigger than i was imagining


Shankar, R., 1994, Principles of Quantum Mechanics (2nd edition), Berlin: Springer.
This book is highly recommended as a starting point. It starts from ground zero, developing the mathematical tools needed to understand quantum mechanics. It is well written, and friendlier than Griffiths for students who are learning the subject on their own. QM is not introduced until page 115. 
The introductory chapter on linear algebra is very good. At 676 pages, it is comprehensive. It covers Feynman path integrals more thoroughly than other books, and contains solved problems. If you buy one book on QM, this is a good choice.

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Wave-Particle Duality

[tutanka]

Boyce and Archieblue both use Electrolyte. I though that Electrolyte would keep the reaction from working properly?

NO! You don't need any electrolyte, that change in part final reaction

[tutanka]

I think everyone should read this:


Tim

Tim,
Inform your leader that this reaction isn't right.. 6H2O + 2N2 = 4NH3 + 3O2

[sucahyo]

i talked to a doc in physics and he asked me about the energy, where might if come from???

Magnets creates very huge force "witch is not consumed in an electronic circuit..."

And I think because it is not electric it only help as catalyst not as reactant.

Magnet in fuel line help burn the fuel better, it surely help water dissociation or others.

Meyer didn't reused the water, he stated this... the water should be reenergized, he showed the energy reside in the water and that energy actually come from the sun

He did mention clearly of "water reuse" in the news (click for bigger images):


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If you buy one book on QM, this is a good choice.

Is there a newbie glossary book too?

[tutanka]

Guys may i tell you something

in the combustion chamber the mentioned 7,4ul of water meyer told us he was injecting totalise not even 4% of the cylinders how much of this hydrogen could be lost in the cylinder ??? i don't think to much... i have a friend witch ran his bike with a series cell... on h2 and it ran ok he said that adding charged air to the intake gave him a 30% better performance..

i have a racket for killing flys that uses only 2 1,5 v batteries and create a very nice odor of ozone.. . even with no visible discharge... there might be 2,5kv

Non capisco come mai ancora stai scrivendo in questo thread.. se non sbaglio eri orientato alla produzione di idrogeno con il tuo innovativo sistema, ma a quanto pare hai qualche problemino.
Sinceramente mi meraviglio del fatto che io scrivo ma probabilmente nessuno interpreta le informazioni nel modo corretto. Costantemente questo thread è osservato da molti ma nessuno riesce a focalizzare la cosa piu importante.. Tutto inizia e finisce con l'acqua..

[sebosfato]

é che siamo un può intoppati, mi sto graduando in Fisica anche per ora, l'altro sistema l'esercito ha confiscato... per ciò mi interessa sempre sapere un può più del tuo nuovo sistema...da quello che hai detto mi ha sembrato piu semplice ed economico... comunque é un può complicato indovinare cosi. Vorrei veramente capire e sto cercando in tutti i modi ma non è tanto facile...
illuminaci daiiii!

Grazie per tutto

Saluti
Fabio

[chasson321]

last edit...

[vrand]

Thanks . Lol, that article is what I was trying to find yesterday.

I found this instead:


It seems silent discharge mentioned in 100 years old book is the corona produced by sharp point not the arc. However, my experiment show that whenever corona starting to appear, it produce loud noise. I can make video because the spark jam my keyboard....


I notice flaw in his chemistry at the first post of his theory thread. He won't answer my question about it, I don't think I will answer that. It is about how he calculate energy of water in and water out.

In here we talk more about water+ambient air in and something else out before combustion chamber.

Yeah, corona discharge needs to be enclosed in a Faraday cage or better yet inside a solid steel enclosure, so as to eliminate static electrical discharges in open air that effects video/tv monitors.

This study shows that high temperature feed gases lowers the voltage to achieve corona discharge. Their corona reactor is also made of stainless steel tube.

"A high-temperature pulsed corona plasma system
for fuel gas cleaning"
http://yp.chem.tue.nl/pdfs/2885.pdf

Still, corona discharges requires +60kv (80kv was found to be better) and high amperage current.

Regards, Mike R.

[tutanka]

é che siamo un può intoppati, mi sto graduando in Fisica anche per ora, l'altro sistema l'esercito ha confiscato... per ciò mi interessa sempre sapere un può più del tuo nuovo sistema...da quello che hai detto mi ha sembrato piu semplice ed economico... comunque é un può complicato indovinare cosi. Vorrei veramente capire e sto cercando in tutti i modi ma non è tanto facile...
illuminaci daiiii!

Grazie per tutto

Saluti
Fabio

Mi chiedi una cosa impossibile.. stò facendo anche troppo .. per me non è un hobby.. ci lavoro 24h/day.. le cose sono scritte basta leggerle ed interpretarle. Saluti

[sebosfato]

é lo so, anche io ci ho lavorato molto.... beh fai il tuo meglio.. anche io lo faro...

grazie comunque man
Fabio

[tutanka]

é lo so, anche io ci ho lavorato molto.... beh fai il tuo meglio.. anche io lo faro...

grazie comunque man
Fabio

Inizialmente anche io credevo alla free energy ma dopo avere avuto pessime esperienze umane ho cambiato opinione. E' soltanto una questione di business! Come vedi anche qui ci sono persone come oneminde che professa di avere trovato la soluzione ma che giornalmente è qui a leggere. E' troppo semplice acquisire informazioni senza sacrificio.. Bisogna farli lavorare questi neuroni senno alla fine il cervello si atrofizza

[sebosfato]

é vero é vero hai tutta la ragione! Posso dirti pero che prima ero per il business ma dovuto anche alle pessime esperienze con il governo ed i grossi ho cambiato opinione su semplicemente lasciare info qui e li, secondo me, adesso credo che l'unica uscita per riuscire a fare un piccolo business ed stare tranquilli, é creare la concorrenza prima e poi fare piano piano, prima lascia i tigri mangiare poi potrai mangiare la carne trita ... la cosa del idrogeno so come va e tutto ma sono sotto legge marziale e non posso divulgare niente o vado in galera, mi è restato solo il potere di studiare per ora... ma veramente spero che voi abbiate più fortuna e che potrete fare un può di business ma non pensare troppo o troppo grande se no siemens o altri ti mangiano anche a te...
questo è il vero problema, per loro non esiste eredita se mori la tua parte rimane loro e così via...

Ben avventurato sarà quello che dividerà il pane!