Ionization & Water Fuel

[tutanka]

[QUOTE=pengrove;94662]

reaction tube?? explain better what is for you that..[/QUOTEt

The discharge tube

I don't use discharge tube like Mike.. what is the reaction created inside discharge tube?? Nothing!! Only consume energy for create plasma inside.. Functional system is composed only from two reactors and you generate a lot of NH3.. however if you use wfc injector plug you need only one reactor. Regards

[vrand]

[QUOTE=tutanka;94664]

I don't use discharge tube like Mike.. what is the reaction created inside discharge tube?? Nothing!! Only consume energy for create plasma inside.. Functional system is composed only from two reactors and you generate a lot of NH3.. however if you use wfc injector plug you need only one reactor. Regards

So you have 2 "corona discharge" reactors? One for air (makes NH3) and another for water mist & exhaust gases (makes more NH3)?

[sebosfato]

I think that what you call atomic nitrogen or active nitrogen is a bit wrong assumption.
i were studying over it and i found that they assumed that it would glow platinum metal if placed in line with it...

I think that you are only creating NO not atomic N-N.

The reason why platinum glow red hot is the same why your catalytic converter in your car get hot.

I'm just saying you are creating a gaseous catalyst. NO

I discussed this with an atomic physicist today and she could only say that maybe in the arc you can accelerate the molecules to get so hot in atomic level that when in contact with water they would actually dissociate the water. maybe forming nh2o noh or even nh3...


I also discovered that to atomize H2+ molecule you just need 2,7ev (the binding energy)

Regards

[sucahyo]

I discussed this with an atomic physicist today and she could only say that maybe in the arc you can accelerate the molecules to get so hot in atomic level that when in contact with water they would actually dissociate the water. maybe forming nh2o noh or even nh3...

Just a reminder, it is not really a problem if we end up with more NO than O. Without oxygen, NO can still burn NH3:
http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/EDL/pu...ts/flimits.pdf

Mixtures of ammonia and air burn very slowly and in many situations are considered to be non flammable, but mixtures of NH3 and N2O appear to react much more rapidly. The reaction mechanism of NH3 and N2O is particularly uncertain

[FrozenWaterLab]

Nobody reply to that diagram?? It's an ghost for you? AH OK.. YOU ARE ONLY COPIERS

OK I'M GONA JUMP IN -RIGHT HERE
YES it is ghost for me!!@
I'm an average man. I'm trying to learn. I want to be free of the oppression that appears to be being predicated on the world populous. Not that that hasn't given up a high standard of life. I am aware of the suppression of highly tech means of creating energy. OK they wanted to make money and allowed others to scrape some off also, so the system evolved.
Now we are approaching a pinnacle of tech. The Internet alowes us to be here discussing Ideas and concepts.
Arron - You allude to allowing all to think it through.
I'm a fairly wise person. Got some technical background in elect. & physics
and can build anything you describe sufficiently to me. (Given the capital)
I been watching this for quit some time. Lots of hints -Lots of info - Why can't I Understand what the process is exactly so I can start trying to build something that might start me on the road?
OK YES I'm a copier. I'm not the type that can figure it out from the git-go.
YOU Said something like 830 people reading this awhile back. Right?
How many Posting?????????????? Huh
For Gimany Peters. Gif wit de Info.
THEN We'r all gonna try to replicate and many variations will result with an Idea here and an inspiration their.
I'm using my lunch Hours to transcribe Your and Tut's Coments to a document with all the foo foo removed and all the syntax and spelling corrected.
I'm attempting to make a study document that anyone can read and try to understand the process fully.
Don't get me wrong, I think I have the basic concept. I think??
But its not in my head like I would like to explain it to someone else that really want's to know how to accomplish it.
I don't have the chemistry background and I guess my brain powerrrrrrr aint up to yours.
Some of you say you Know. Spill it for crips sake.
Lay it out so we can move to the next stage. Building and innovating for the betterment of mankind as a Whole.
Sorry for the rant but I keep reading hopping that the next postr will be the ray of enlightenment.
PS Thank you Tut ((Humanitarian fer sure) for sharing and thank-you to all for your efforts
FrznWtr

[sebosfato]

I think that tutanka meant not chain reaction but cyclic.

I didn't meant NO was bad, just that it is involved cataliticaly in the reaction.

I think that if tutanka think that we can find the solution it might be simple.

So what if he is burning NH3 + NO and or NH3 + NO2 creating N2 and H2O ... this way he start with water and end up with water.

I think that he could have created a kind of fuel cell witch takes the NO and favor it to bound with the hydrogen in the water generating electricity NH3 and O2 and so on...

[sebosfato]

??? tutanka is this your process???

[FrozenWaterLab]

You don't need math to conceptualize the basic deal.

Did you read the two Lateral Science website articles on Langmuir and
the atomic torch? I referenced them countless times in this forum.

Those old references are great because they simply spell things out
the way they are without a bunch of over-engineered language.

Can You Provide a link Please? I have a small data base on the atomic tyorch but want what you refer to exactly.
Tnks FrznWtr

[FrozenWaterLab]

??? tutanka is this your process???

Please to Put English To Diagram
Can't find translator.
Or do you know of one?
FrzWtr

[Aaron]

platinum

The reason why platinum glow red hot is the same why your catalytic converter in your car get hot.

It is possible but not desired to have platinum in this system in my opinion.

But, where is the most likely place this platinum would be in this system
if platinum was used?

[Aaron]

Lateral Science Langmuir Atomic Hydrogen Welding Torch

Can You Provide a link Please? I have a small data base on the atomic tyorch but want what you refer to exactly.
Tnks FrznWtr

Hi, here they are:

Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding
Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch

[FrozenWaterLab]

Hi, here they are:

Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding
Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch

Thank You Arron
This will allow me to produce the Plasma Plugs I want for my Plasma spark ignition.
Had one but not the other.
Was Wondering how I would melt the tungsten.
FrznWtr

[FrozenWaterLab]

Thank You Arron
This will allow me to produce the Plasma Plugs I want for my Plasma spark ignition.
Had one but not the other.
Was Wondering how I would melt the tungsten.
FrznWtr

/Users/Skip/Documents/Plazma/howtomakeplasmaplugs.pdf
Well Drat Tried to upload the file (PDF)
Got bogus
Invalid Post specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator
Arron I'm new and don't Ken The system yet, What am I doing wrong?
I got some files on my gravity wheel but they arn't big?????????????

[FrozenWaterLab]

[QUOTE=Aaron;93981

Any nitric acid that may wind up in the water cell is a natural electrolyte
and a pH below 7 appears to be optimum.[/QUOTE]

Hi Arron
Just a thought about the water
Got this heathy water unit that puts out various PH Levels.
The highly acidic end might be useful in an HHO unit.
Providing higher levels of electrolysis with pure water (No Electrolyte)
I think the PH is at 2.6 on the acidic end and 10.2 on the alkaline side.
I would suspect the acidic end is best?????
Would this help us in our endeavors Tutkanka???????????
And if we wish to add energy to the incoming AIR the Blue and Red LED's
Are necessary Right. And a Magnet? So witch is first? OR Can I do both at the same time?????????????
I Got this Monster N-50 about 6" in Diameter 2" thick.
Was thinking of puting it Between two 2" diameter tubes, with these 1/2" rings about 3" dia. on the outer sides of the tubes. I'm sure all 3 would point in the same Direction, right? I'm Guessing here But North to the ambient Air????????? We want it Pos Right & South to the HHO ??????????? Or have I got it backwards?
Need Help
FrznWtr
OR Gosh am I way outa the concept????????

[tutanka]

I think that tutanka meant not chain reaction but cyclic.

I didn't meant NO was bad, just that it is involved cataliticaly in the reaction.

I think that if tutanka think that we can find the solution it might be simple.

So what if he is burning NH3 + NO and or NH3 + NO2 creating N2 and H2O ... this way he start with water and end up with water.

I think that he could have created a kind of fuel cell witch takes the NO and favor it to bound with the hydrogen in the water generating electricity NH3 and O2 and so on...

I DON'T USE CATALYSTS.. REGARDS