Ionization & Water Fuel

[tutanka]

Tungsten !
FrznWtr

Keep in mind that with plasma you obtain UV and heat .. if you use copper wire you remove also oxygen from air forming copper oxide around the wire .. maybe is the same method used from meyer.. can be possible that EEC is in fact EOC (extraction oxygen circuit) formed only from copper wire resistor?

[vrand]

Keep in mind that with plasma you obtain UV and heat .. if you use copper wire you remove also oxygen from air forming copper oxide around the wire .. maybe is the same method used from meyer.. can be possible that EEC is in fact EOC (extraction oxygen circuit) formed only from copper wire resistor?

Do you use corona discharge in any of your other HV ionization stages? I can see copper wire being used for that.

Using a copper wire for the plasma arc stage, would it not get melted away due to the high heat over time?

[FrozenWaterLab]

Keep in mind that with plasma you obtain UV and heat .. if you use copper wire you remove also oxygen from air forming copper oxide around the wire .. maybe is the same method used from meyer.. can be possible that EEC is in fact EOC (extraction oxygen circuit) formed only from copper wire resistor?

Wow Shinning Light :')

[Aaron]

tungsten arc

Tungsten !
FrznWtr

Right - What property of a tungsten arc can dissociate molecules?

[Wilbert]

Right - What property of a tungsten arc can dissociate molecules?

Hi,

not sure. Didn't you ask this question several times yet?


Does the metall glow? Does the glowing spend electrons? Do electrons spending help dissotation?

Why tungsten? Because of very high melting point?


I don't know. But I would like to know, for a much to long time now.

Hope we will go forward.

Best regards to all
Wilbert

[tutanka]

Wow Shinning Light :')

Plasma in fact is only UV and heat togheter.. for that reason UV have an important part inside process.. of corse normally UV don't have enough force for dissociate water but maybe in sequence can be.. about meyer injector plug.. that is very similarry to old WFC but include also plug inside.. water fuel isn't burnable as some peoples think.. is only an ions mixture ready to react inside injector plug.. create and burn N2H4/N2O at the same time releasing thermal explosive energy .. on the same principle you can create NH3/N2O using water PH <7 and use directly inside engine.. plasma is needed for start reaction inside chamber? Maybe yes .. maybe not.. next information

[vrand]

THERMAL PLASMA IS ONLY WITH ARC

I am confused

Are your electrodes touching then pulled apart to make the arc? Are you using DC voltage to make the arc?

Tesla experiment, arc IS NOT spark
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...not-spark.html

An arc is a DC continuous electric stream and spark is an AC intermittent electric jump.

In an arc, two electrodes with a hundred or so volts across them are touched, and then drawn apart, and an arc forms.

In a spark, the potential difference across the electrodes is some thousands of volts, and it is not necessary to touch the electrodes together; rather, the electrical insulation of the air breaks down and a spark flies from one electrode to the other.

Something like these Jacob Ladders Arcs?

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Long exposure time of a Jacobs Ladder Arc makes a nice Flame

By the way, the way a Jacob's Ladder works is that a high voltage arc heats and ionizes the air. Of course, hot air rises. Since the hot, ionized air is more conductive than the surrounding air, the arc follows the rising air and climbs up the gap between the two wires. When it reaches the wide gap at the top, the arc breaks and restarts at the bottom. Then the cycle repeats. You get an arc that continuously climbs up the gap and restarts at the bottom. With a long exposure, you get a motion blur, but also I think the camera picks up a little bit of a "ripple" effect because of the 60hz alternating current. This is 15,000 volts AC, supplied by a pair of neon tube transformers (the power supply in the background).
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Regards

[tutanka]

I am confused

Are your electrodes touching then pulled apart to make the arc? Are you using DC voltage to make the arc?



Regards

You have to think with your mind.. plasma arc is very dangerous and letal. Maybe exist other solution for obtain same result. Regards

[Aaron]

arc vs spark

Are your electrodes touching then pulled apart to make the arc? Are you using DC voltage to make the arc?

That is the technical distinction of an arc vs spark.

But with plasma, I have only really seen the discharge across some
electrodes as a plasma arc and not a plasma spark.

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@ Wilbert, I asked many times - directly to Farrah Day.

The two lateral science articles I linked to answers just about every one
of your questions about Tungsten.

What kind of dissociation is explained in those articles.

[Wilbert]

Right - What property of a tungsten arc can dissociate molecules?

Okay, new try.

Hi,

dissotation of molecules is endothermic process, needs heat. Tungsten arc does provide this heat.

Why tungsten? Other metall too?

regards
Wilbert

[FrozenWaterLab]

That is the technical distinction of an arc vs spark.

But with plasma, I have only really seen the discharge across some
electrodes as a plasma arc and not a plasma spark.

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@ Wilbert, I asked many times - directly to Farrah Day.

The two lateral science articles I linked to answers just about every one
of your questions about Tungsten.

What kind of dissociation is explained in those articles.

When the Plug fires, some of the tungsten (A small quantity to be sure)
must vaporize. Dose this act as a catalyst in some way? Mabey?
OK Chem heads what would be the make up of Tungsten?

[Aaron]

why tungsten?

Okay, new try.

Hi,

dissotation of molecules is endothermic process, needs heat. Tungsten arc does provide this heat.

Why tungsten? Other metall too?

regards
Wilbert

Well, your the first to get that in open forum.

Heat dissociation

Why tungsten? What do the articles talk about being IMPORTANT as
far as tungsten use?

So, it looks like the atomic nitrogen seeks 3 electrons to make nh3.

Tungsten and the plasma arc has multiple purposes or properties and one
is heat dissociation. There are others - just check those two articles.
Something mentioned as being important.

I think the pieces are coming together for anyone paying attention.

[FrozenWaterLab]

When the Plug fires, some of the tungsten (A small quantity to be sure)
must vaporize. Dose this act as a catalyst in some way? Mabey?
OK Chem heads what would be the make up of Tungsten?

What kind of dissociation is explained in those articles.
Atoms of the gas (hydrogen) they recombine forming molecules of hydrogen and liberating heat previously absorbed.
The hydrogen envelope prevents oxidation both of the metal and the tungsten electrodes, and it
also reduces the risk of nitrogen pick-up
??????????

FrznWtr

[kick-bak]

Thinking out loud

Aaron

I think the pieces are coming together for anyone paying attention.

Just thinking out loud here from reading through the 2 Lateral Science articles.


"the hydrogen is obtained by cracking anhydrous ammonia. NH3"

I see why Tutanka likes NH3.


"heat is generated by passing a stream of hydrogen through an electric arc"

This is where Tutanka liked the Meyers secound patent that uses Injector.


"The high temperature of the arc dissociates molecules of the gas into atoms"

"a large quantity of heat being absorbed by the hydrogen during dissociation"

"When the atoms leave the influence of the arc they recombine, forming molecules of hydrogen and liberating heat previously absorbed"

The hydrogen carries the heat from the arc to the reaction?


"this recombination is accelerated catalytically by contact with the surface of the metal being welded."

Not sure what happens to the Piston bore here.?


"The hydrogen envelope prevents oxidation and it also reduces the risk of nitrogen pick-up"

So we should end up with nice clean spark plugs?

[Aaron]

helps reaction without changing itself

hydrogen envelope prevents oxidation both of the metal and the tungsten electrodes

So it it helps a reaction but doesn't get changed itself, it's usually
referred to as being something very specific even though it may not be
technically considered that.