My proposed theory on how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a source of fuel.

[sucahyo]

different picture

Furthermore Meyer says this:
This is saying that the spark plugs ignition system still functions as it normally did prior to the conversion. Static pressure is how a CIS fuel system works and Meyer shows a fuel distributer here:

Image from recent aaron post in ionization thread show different image.



The most important difference is the place where water, ionized ambient air and exhaust gas mixed together. Yours is at the plug, where these two picture show that they already mixed before the plug.

[sucahyo]

lol, I guess we have the same thinking that we post the same picture .

NH3 production in combustion engine is mentioned in catalytic converter:
Fertilizer from Wind: Wind to Nh3

A catalyst increases the rate of reaction between nitrogen and hydrogen. Early in the 20th century, a German academic chemist, Fritz Haber, and an industrial colleague, Carl Bosch, found that a mixture of Fe2O3 and Fe3O4 catalyzes this reaction at temperatures in the range of 400°C to 600°C.

EXHAUST GAS RECIRCULATION DEVICE FOR INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE - Patent JP2009085011

To provide an exhaust gas recirculation device for an internal combustion engine, neutralizing pH of intake gas by making exhaust gas rich in fuel to produce larger amount of NH3 when pH of the intake gas is acid and preventing corrosion of intake system components.

The exhaust gas recirculation device for the internal combustion engine 10 is provided with an intake pipe 32 and an exhaust pipe 41 provided in a main body of the engine 10; an EGR passage 52; an EGR valve 53; and a catalyst device 42 for eliminating harmful components in exhaust gas in the exhaust pipe 41. In the exhaust gas recirculation device for the internal combustion engine 10, pH of intake gas is detected. When the detected pH of the intake gas is a predetermined value or less and is on the acid side, an air fuel ratio of exhaust gas is controlled to the rich side based on the pH of the intake gas, and NH3 is generated by progress of reduction reaction of NOX in the exhaust gas by a three way catalyst 43, so as to alkalify the exhaust gas. EGR gas including large amount of NH3 is recirculated to the intake pipe 32 via the EGR passage 52, to adjust pH of the intake gas to become approximately neutral.

Catalytic converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unwanted reactions can occur in the three-way catalyst, such as the formation of odiferous hydrogen sulfide and ammonia. Formation of each can be limited by modifications to the washcoat and precious metals used. It is difficult to eliminate these byproducts entirely.

reaction is two way:
3 H2 + N2 → 2 NH3


NH3 explosion:
4 NH3 + 3 O2 → 2 N2 + 6 H2O (g) (ΔHºr = –1267.20 kJ/mol)

NH3 reaction
4 NH3 + 5 O2 → 4 NO + 6 H2O


You should be happy if you become an inspiration for other people, even if it is used against you .

For me, I don't really care if what I learn is right or wrong. Since we can make something work even if we don't know the real process. Too many example for this .

Edit: Just realize that your link do provide ways to produce more NH3, by enriching fuel:
Temple of VTEC Rumors and News - Honda Develops Next-Generation Clean Diesel Engine

- During lean burn operation, the NOx adsorbent in the lower layer adsorbs NOx from the exhaust gas.
- As needed, the engine management system adjusts the engine air-fuel ratio to rich-burn, wherein the NOx in the NOx adsorption layer reacts with hydrogen (H2) obtained from the exhaust gas to produce ammonia (NH3).The adsorbent material in the upper layer temporarily adsorbs the NH3.
-When the engine returns to lean-burn operation, NH3 adsorbed in the upper layer reacts with NOx in the exhaust gas and reduces it to harmless nitrogen (N2).

[h20power]

lol, I guess we have the same thinking that we post the same picture .


Catalytic converter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


reaction is two way:
3 H2 + N2 → 2 NH3


NH3 explosion:
4 NH3 + 3 O2 → 2 N2 + 6 H2O (g) (ΔHºr = –1267.20 kJ/mol)

NH3 reaction
4 NH3 + 5 O2 → 4 NO + 6 H2O

Yes we are on the same page as to the layout of the water fuel injectors. The problem I ran into was the controlling circuitry as there wasn't anything showing how it was put together so I modified the gaseous circuitry for use with the water fuel injectors.(Much work still has to be done with that with testing and all of that)

Now the reaction that takes place in the injectors voltage zones is like this:

H2O(fog) → 2H (ionized g) + O(ionized g) + Ionized air gases → H2O(vapor) (ΔHºr = depends on the amount of electrons that have been stripped off of each the atoms in the time frame, ranging from +6505.2 kJ/mol - +9129 kJ/mol)

That is at the 4th energy level for oxygen and hydrogen only has one electron to take away at 1312 kJ/mol for its energy level in the second energy content of +9129 kJ/mol given.

Please note that we are not going to get H2 but two lone Hydrogen atoms from the water fuel injectors. The divide and split process is taking place in an ionizing zone that I believe should be from 50k Hz and up and from 40k volts and up to 90k volts. And just like in the Gas Processor any free'd electrons will be directed away from going into the combustion chamber by the EEC. The technology is the same but the medium is the one that keeps changing, from water in the WFC, to water fog in the water fuel injectors, and of course the air gases that travel through the gas processor. With each different medium the rules of how the medium will respond to the voltage zones changes. Does that make any sense? But that is how I see things working with Stanley Meyer's technology. All of his technology is in, "Electric Fields and Moving Media," so understanding electric fields and moving media is a must if one is to understand what Stanley Meyer did to make use of water as a source of fuel.

Oh, what patent did you get that from so I can re-read it again


h2opower.

[h20power]

Now I posted this on my other thread but feel it is also needed here:

When looking at what Stanley Meyer did you have to also remember he was a business man, and switching from the gaseous system to the direct water injection system saved him money as now he only needed one VIC transformer & controlling circuitry vs eleven VIC transformers & controlling circuitry for the gaseous injection system. He no-longer needed the quenching circuit technology, didn't have to worry about transporting a combustible gas mixture checking for leaks in that system, the heavy WFC was gone, electrostatic filter assembly gone, and in general the vehicle lost a lot of weight. But from a business mans point of view it cost a whole lot less to do the same thing and that was to run an engine using water as it's source of fuel.

I'll use this analogy in why no one has been able to recreate Stanley Meyer WFC results. You are rebuilding an engine, have taken out all the other parts of the engine to access the engine and then proceed to rebuilding the engine itself. Now in the rebuilding of the engine you decide that there are too many bolts and leave half of them lying on the ground, then when you go to reinstall the engine you decide a lot of these parts don't really need to go back in there, so you leave them on the ground. Finally when it comes time to start the engine, the engine wont start, and then you go blaming the cars manufacture calling them a fraud for selling something that never was intend to work.

That is what everyone has been doing with the WFC, leaving most of the needed technology lying on the ground. For if you even built a WFC now you know you needed a separate VIC transformer & controlling circuitry for each tube set. But most left never got around to building the other VIC transformer and then went on to build an incomplete controlling circuit with no electron extraction circuitry, and no ability to raise or lower the voltage independently of the frequency or pulsing schedule. And then they cry fowl when it doesn't work. The vast majority of them even built the VIC transformers incorrectly. Everyone I have seen trying to duplicate the alternator version has never rewired up the alternator the correct way, nor have they matched perfectly the capacitances of each tube set too the tube set with the lowest capacitance in the tube set array. That is like balancing an engine's connecting rods and pistons. Now this goes to include Aaron, Stevie, and even me, plus everyone else that has given it a shot on this planet.
For the most part it was a total misunderstanding of how the technology truly works. The slots cut in the sides of the tubes was to match the tube set array to the lowest capacitance tube set of that array. Is was not for some sort of acoustic resonance as the whole world seems to believe they are for. I never did by that explanation in the first place for the tubes are held both top and bottom, so how in the hell is it suppose to ring?!
Then everyone failed to realize it is a chemical reaction and what was going on was a unbalancing of the natural equilibrium of the water in between the voltage zones of the tube sets, and that includes me at first. But what makes me different than all the rest is, I kept asking questions, and when there was no one around that could answer my questions, I then turned around and answered those questions myself. In essence I evolved they did not. Asking the right questions also played a big role in this evolution of the mind towards how this technology truly worked.

Now I am still learning about the technology but I feel I now can duplicate Stanley Meyer's work and am going down that road to do so. I had to be able to see that I was missing parts that where previously left on the ground in past attempts to duplicate Stanley Meyer's work so I could put it all back together the right way. Most people can't see the parts laying on the ground for in order to see them you have to understand the technology. And like I said before I think I got it, but only time will tell. While everyone else was stuck on the hho, VIC transformer, and now the new Nitrogen band wagon(s), I sat back asking and answering questions, and asking help from God for more understanding.

I hope this helps you to see why no one has duplecated Stanley Meyer's work thus far and the mindsets of the band wagon hop alongs jumping from one band wagon to the next.

Energy independence is now going from dream to reality as testing will be getting started soon,


h2opower.

[sucahyo]

Please note that we are not going to get H2 but two lone Hydrogen atoms from the water fuel injectors. The divide and split process is taking place in an ionizing zone that I believe should be from 50k Hz and up and from 40k volts and up to 90k volts. And just like in the Gas Processor any free'd electrons will be directed away from going into the combustion chamber by the EEC. The technology is the same but the medium is the one that keeps changing, from water in the WFC, to water fog in the water fuel injectors, and of course the air gases that travel through the gas processor. With each different medium the rules of how the medium will respond to the voltage zones changes. Does that make any sense?

Is that the same injector that produce spark? Wouldn't that high voltage create spark right away so essentially spark are the one that start the process? Since spark can appear at one place, isn't 1 inch of ionizing zone useless?

If you use such low current that it do not produce spark, would the mix combust if you don't make spark?


document from Aaron post:
water to combustable - Stanley Meyers-Water Fuel-Cell-Technical Brief-FULL

[h20power]

Is that the same injector that produce spark? Wouldn't that high voltage create spark right away so essentially spark are the one that start the process? Since spark can appear at one place, isn't 1 inch of ionizing zone useless?

Yes, that is what Meyer used. As far as I can tell it didn't spark due to the lack of current. The one inch voltage zone is okay for you have to calculate the speed of the medium traveling through the voltage zone then look at how many times the frequency will pulse it during that time frame. When I made the calculations I got 87 times at 50k Hz the water fog will be charged up to the splitting voltage while passing through the voltage zone.

If you use such low current that it do not produce spark, would the mix combust if you don't make spark?

I don't think that it would, as the ionized gases has a time limit of around 0.79 seconds before it stabilizes and that stabilization time decreases in the presence of water. Only if it was in a diesel engine for the rapid rate of compression would flash burn any hydrogen when it reaches 500 degrees F thus setting off the reaction in the process. The mixture seems to needs help to start the reaction process.

document from Aaron post:
water to combustable - Stanley Meyers-Water Fuel-Cell-Technical Brief-FULL

[sucahyo]

I don't think that it would, as the ionized gases has a time limit of around 0.79 seconds before it stabilizes and that stabilization time decreases in the presence of water. Only if it was in a diesel engine for the rapid rate of compression would flash burn any hydrogen when it reaches 500 degrees F thus setting off the reaction in the process. The mixture seems to needs help to start the reaction process.

So, you will supply constant very low current HV to the plug and when it's time to blast you mix the electricity with say 200V moderate current?

Sort of plasma plug but with continuous HV and rpm controlled LV?

[h20power]

So, you will supply constant very low current HV to the plug and when it's time to blast you mix the electricity with say 200V moderate current?

Sort of plasma plug but with continuous HV and rpm controlled LV?

HI Sucahyo,

What I am doing is leaving the spark plugs alone and only adding on a voltage zone to the existing injectors found on the car. Now I might make the "Fire Storm" type spark plugs, but haven't done so as of yet. I do have the full patent for the "Fire Storm" spark plugs. I am going for the separate mixing that Meyer has used with a lot of new technology added in that Meyer didn't have in his days. Meyer didn't have some of LEDs at the wavelengths I chosen available back then. He didn't have knowledge of the "Fire Strom" type spark plugs. There where no mass air flow sensors, throttle position sensors, and a whole host of other sensory capabilities we have today that he didn't have in his time that I will be making use of.

The voltage going to the injectors and gas processor's voltage zones is pulsating DC same as Meyer used. Trust me that makes a big difference than a continuous high voltage zone. With a continuous high voltage charging the water fog droplets would not happen the way we would want it to if at all. If it did charge the water fog droplets it would be greatly slowed down in comparison to a pulsating DC voltage zone. Remember the water fuel injectors voltage zone are charging the water fog droplets to the point where they will divide or split into two smaller water fog droplets. Then the process repeats as the pulsating voltage zone recharges the newly formed water fog droplets and this process continues until a critical volume is reach in the water molecule and at that point it will break down into it's component atoms, two lone hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom. That process is not the same as the WFC uses to break the bonds of the water molecule. And any gases produce while still in the voltage zone is subject to being stripped of electrons just as if they where going through the gas processor. But since I haven't found a way to get any light energy in the injectors voltage zones I don't think much electrons will be stripped away.

You have to understand I am not building a retrofit kit I am converting an existing cars system over to water burning technology. With a retrofit kit you would be able to outfit many different types of cars with the way I am doing it you would only be able to convert cars like the one I am using over to the water for fuel technology. Seem limited yes, but I don't have the budget for producing a retrofit kit. Which is why I say this is a "Do It Yourself" effort, as I will only be showing how it can be done, the end user is going to have to figure out how it is to be implemented into what every they want the technology to go in.

Best of luck to us all in attaining energy independence for a better future for our children,

h2opower.

[natone_m]

questions

I'm curious, how will you be mixing the water mist with the GP air prior to the voltage zones/injectors? Will you be making a steam resonator too? I'm assuming the GP air will be regulated by a butterfly valve? How are you going to regulate the water?

[sucahyo]

The voltage going to the injectors and gas processor's voltage zones is pulsating DC same as Meyer used. Trust me that makes a big difference than a continuous high voltage zone. With a continuous high voltage charging the water fog droplets would not happen the way we would want it to if at all.

Usually air can be ionized with HV. Do you intend to use pulsed HV DC? or just pulsed LV DC? Since I can't think of a way to produce pulsed HV DC.


Best of luck for the project .

[h20power]

I stand corrected

Usually air can be ionized with HV. Do you intend to use pulsed HV DC? or just pulsed LV DC? Since I can't think of a way to produce pulsed HV DC.


Best of luck for the project .

The blocking diode will put out DC but you are right in there will be both AC and DC in the isolated part of the circuit ie, secondary, chokes, and the capacitor. The diodes I am using cost about $350 each here in the US rated a 30k volts @ 1.5 amps, and are ultra fast 35 nS. If you understand how the VIC transformer, shown for the injectors figure 6.1 SMTB, works you will know that at the spot the Blocking diode is placed is not the highest voltages the transformer will make, for it still has to go through the chokes which will ramp up the voltage it receives even more.

Now a question for you, since you voted you somewhat disagree with all of this, what are your views now? The only reason I ask is you have so many questions for me.

2010 the year energy independence makes it's way into our lives,

h2opower.

[sucahyo]

The blocking diode will put out DC but you are right in there will be both AC and DC in the isolated part of the circuit ie, secondary, chokes, and the capacitor. The diodes I am using cost about $350 each here in the US rated a 30k volts @ 1.5 amps, and are ultra fast 35 uf. If you understand how the VIC transformer, shown for the injectors figure 6.1 SMTB, works you will know that at the spot the Blocking diode is placed is not the highest voltages the transformer will make, for it still has to go through the chokes which will ramp up the voltage it receives even more.

I see. I am not surprise if you have to use such expensive diode because usual HV diode restric amp so much that radiant oscillator can't light up CFL if we use it.

However, I don't quite understand the picture. My opinion if diode is placed at LV part it would be useless. Diode must be put at HV output part because I believe transformer will change pulsed DC input to AC output since the output load do not know where the zero is, even if it share same ground.

Now a question for you, since you voted you somewhat disagree with all of this, what are your views now? The only reason I ask is you have so many questions for me.

I will answer with longer post later after I read the latest work in a whole, since previously I read the wrong one . For now it is about Pantone reactor combined with sharp plasma cluster.

[sebosfato]

350$ one diode

i bought on ebay 40kv 1amps for 35$

[Tecstatic]

350$ one diode

i bought on ebay 40kv 1amps for 35$

If you had posted the diode type and the data sheet, and pointed out why the diode could be used, maybe even tried it in a circuit confirming it works OK, then I guess alot of members would value your post as it could save $$$.

But you post like you are used to, which is not kind and helpful IMO.

I have asked you before to behave, but you seemingly have a never fulfilled need to ridicule other members, you can't help it, can you ?

But don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

What about this post ?

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post81692

To me it is nonsense, that is why I quoted it, and probably why you deleted it and asked me in a PM to delete my quote of it.

tecstatic hello I need to ask you a favor http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post81692

please delete the quotes on this post because i'm having troubles with the military from my country

If you can delete also any other quotes you made from things i wrote, that are less important but if you could delete them too would be better Thanks

please delete this message after you read it too

Posting this is not nice of me, but maybe it can help your understanding of the need to behave nicely.

Don't post anything you can't keep in a post, the net never forgets (cache).

But prove me wrong, show us a working prototype.

For the diode, prove me wrong technically, lets see the data sheet, and your interpretation of the diode specifications, and even better, a a description and picture of your experimental setup proving that H20power wasted his money.

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For your behavior you have proven enough IMO, I need no more of that lousy way to treat other hard working members. Be glad I'm not the moderator.

Eric

[Tecstatic]

I use to only talk about what i'm sure of

testastic if you don't have honor is not my problem.

I gave as much clues that i were allowed and or even not allowed to give.

thank you for you did me the favor.

hope you fell very well.

i guess you did this because you might not have understood how simple and stupid is over unity !

Words, words, hot air.

No diode type, no data sheet, no interpretation of the data sheet why h20power wasted his money. No help to the members who would like to save $$$.

And no reporting of your experiments others can replicate.

You are the wise guy, the rest off us is just a bunch of idiots who can't understand "how simple and stupid is over unity !"

Could you please give a link to one of your previous posts showing your experimental work, and a link to another member who replicated it because you

have understood how simple and stupid is over unity !

If you can't do that, why do you make an insulting post here ?

And thank you, I feel perfectly well, except when I see yet another noise post from you on a thread where you are not wanted, but you can't help it, can you ?

Eric