My proposed theory on how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a source of fuel.

[h20power]

Ok. thanks.

Is there a way to know that we got the correct translation?

Hi Sucahyo,

Once you start breaking down all of Meyer's word groupings you should be able to tell as it will be something you can look up and it has the same meaning as Meyers. Your going to find out that Meyer even grouped terms with words he had already grouped before. I guess he was just making sure that it would be hard to follow so no one would steal his work and just look at it, it's been 11 plus years and finnally someone has made out his patents. If you ask me his plan worked very well indeed.

Happy reading,

h2opower.

[sucahyo]

I still can not get over my head about the amp leakage thing.

Amp restriction beyond "resonant action" occurs when unipolar magnetic field coupling (71) of Figure (3-23) is allowed to simultaneously drop (pulsating magnetic field) across both resonant charging chokes (56/62) during pulsing operations since electron mass is a electromagnetic entity which is subject to inductor fields (56/62) produced by pulsating magnetic field (71a xxx 71n) of Figure (3-23). Amp leakage (electron coupling to water) to water bath (68) of Figure (3-24) is further prevented by encapsulating resonant cavity (57) in delrin material (72) of Figure (3-25) which is an electrical insulator to high voltage. Delrin material (72) insulator value remains intact since insulation material (72) is resilient to water absorption.

There shouldn't be arcing in water.


Are you saying that if you don't get arcing choke or other is not needed?

What will you use, copper coil or stainless coil?

[h20power]

You have to go way back to Meyer's earily patents to get the meaning of a lot of words found in the later patents. As for the type of transformers I am using it is the all copper ones. Reason I coat the negative electrode with glass in the injectors so no need of SS wire, Meyer would have figured that one out had he been given more time to live.

Also with the transformers one choke would be copper and the other SS, I go over all about the VIC transformers in my other thread.

h2opower.

[sucahyo]

Ok. In my mind the output only need voltage. When current is limited the voltage will increase. We see in radiant oscillator circuit, more resistance means higher output voltage. Thus by adding as much resistance as possible, we get higher voltage just like Meyer mention as circuit that can be tuned for infinite voltage.

[sucahyo]

This picture confirm that Meyer do use full wave bridge rectifier. However, I never expect the gate shifting to be at that place....

[h20power]

What constitutes a combustable mixture in the patents

Hi Sucahyo,

I'd like to go back at just what consitutes a combustable mixture as found in the patents. All of your post state clearly what the combustable part of the mixture is and that is, Water Mist and Ionized Air Gases(focusing on the oxygen atom). This is what makes the mixture combustable. In all referances the use of recycled exhaust gases are to lower the flame temps, slow the reaction time down, and in general to impeed the reaction of the combustable mixture. The drawing showing the exhaust gases shows that the exhaust gases are inbetween the two hydrogen atoms and the oxygen atom. This is showing they no longer have a direct route to each other, but now have go through and around all of the exhaust gases this slowing the reaction between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms.

I bring this up for I think you got the true purpose of the exhaust gases mixed up somehow. I hope this helps you to understand the true purpose of the recirculated exhaust gases as told in the patents.


h2opower.

[sucahyo]

I bring this up for I think you got the true purpose of the exhaust gases mixed up somehow. I hope this helps you to understand the true purpose of the recirculated exhaust gases as told in the patents.

I agree that nitrogen content in the exhaust gas is used to separate the hydrogen from oxygen to slow the burning as seen in the water fuel injection system.

However, exhaust gas also contain water mist. And at least in one implementation Meyer recapture the water from exhaust by condensing it, asumably by exposing it to the sun.

Wether nitrogen is involve in creating different kind of hydrogen fuel or not, Meyer mention that the combustible gas produced by water fuel injection system require very strict control of mix. It seems the producted fuel has very limited exploding air to fuel ratio window.

So, there should be two condition that can fail us, over rich and over lean. Both condition said to be happen much easily than gasoline system. If we don't have a way to measure output gas, we may have problem detecting this.

[tutanka]

Ok. thanks.

Is there a way to know that we got the correct translation?

You have solution in front your eyes and you don't see.. You think only difficult .. see my image .. any suggestion??

[sucahyo]

You have solution in front your eyes and you don't see.. You think only difficult .. see my image .. any suggestion??

thanks for the tips

[tutanka]

thanks for the tips

What suggests to you??

[sucahyo]

What suggests to you??

Mixing and reacting need to be done separately.

[bussi04]

h20power, please mention which patent you used.

Based from US patent 5,293,857 Mar 15, 1994
Hydrogen Gas Fuel and Management system for internal combustion engine utilizing hydrogen as fuel.
Hydrogen gas fuel and management system for an internal combustion engine utilizing hydrogen gas fuel - US Patent 5293857 Description

Blue text added according to patent description


All bellow quote are patent text except in blue color:


Opposing point:
- air gas processor input is not WFC output but replaced with ambient air in this patent, the one being ionized is ambient air not WFC output
- source of water vapor is exhaust gas
- water injector do not inject water, but it inject hydrogen/oxygen mix generated by WFC
- no plasma spark is used, patent mention conventional mode ignition system.
- burning rate is controlled by adjusting ratio of non-combustible air either from gas processor or from exhaust. In essence, exhaust gas output give different reaction from ionized ambient air.
- this patent do not mention that exhaust gas will be processed at all
- this patent do not mention water mist since water vapor already taken from exhaust.
- give your opinion about what non-combustible gas really is.

curious point
- The true purposes of oil mist. Why need oil mist? in GEET system oil IS the fuel source.

unknown point
- The use of water vapor
- The process that turn oil into oil mist
- the difference between ionized non-combustible gas and exhaust non-combustible gas
- why hydrogen/oxygen mix is introduced in a much later stage? The system look more like GEET with ambient gas and exhaust gas and oil mist is mixed first, and hydrogen/oxygen only work as enhancer, not as primary source of fuel.

Due to the fact that Aaron revoked h20powerŽs access rights to energeticforum heŽll not be able to answer here any more
h20power continues his work in another place.

bussi04

[chasson321]

Thanks h2opower! Thanks Tony Woodsides

Take a look. Distilled water and low amp draw.


YouTube - ‪h2opower's Channel‬‏

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Tubes must be wired in series, 10 to 12 tube sets for better results. One tube set creates a dead short. More sets, more impedence, less load to the circuit.

GlobalKast.com : Water Fuel Cell Research

http://www.globalkast.com/docs/7490-...TTOM%20PCB.pdf

http://www.globalkast.com/images/ton...Components.png

Thanks again h2opower and Tony Woodside

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[chasson321]

Resonant Charging Choke (C) in series with Excitor-array

Take a look. Distilled water and low amp draw.


YouTube - ‪h2opower's Channel‬‏

YouTube - ‪Chronicles of h2opower #6‬‏


Tubes must be wired in series, 10 to 12 tube sets for better results. One tube set creates a dead short. More sets, more impedence, less load to the circuit.

GlobalKast.com : Water Fuel Cell Research

http://www.globalkast.com/docs/7490-...TTOM%20PCB.pdf

http://www.globalkast.com/images/ton...Components.png

Thanks again h2opower and Tony Woodside

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RE: Hydrogen Fracturing Process Memo WFC 420
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Stanley A. Meyer 1 - 1
Hydrogen Fracturing Process
Method
Using "Voltage Potential" to stimulate the water molecule
to produce atomic energy on demand
Operational Parameters
Pulsing Transfonner
The pulsing transformer (A/G) steps up the voltage amplitude or voltage potential during pulsing
operations. The primary coil is electrically isolated (no electrical connection between primary and
secondary coil) to form Voltage Intensifier Circuit (AA) Figure (1-1). Voltage amplitude or voltage
potential is increased when secondary coil (A) is wrapped with more turns of wire. Isolated electrical
ground (J) prevents electron flow from input circuit ground.
Blocking Diode
Blocking Diode (B) prevents electrical "shorting" to secondary coil (A) during pulse-off time since
the diode "only" conducts electrical energy in the direction of the schematic arrow.

LC Circuit
Resonant Charging Choke (C) in series with Excitor-array (El/E2) forms an inductor-capacitor circuit(LC) since the Excitor-Array (ER) acts or performs as an capacitor during pulsing operations, as
illustrated in Figure (1-2) as to Figure (1-1).

The Dielectric Properties (insulator to the flow of amps) of natural water (dielectric constant being
78.54 @ 25c) between the electrical plates (El/E2) forms the capacitor (ER). Water now becomes part
of the Voltage Intensifier Circuit in the form of "resistance" between electrical ground and pulsefrequency
positive-potential ... helping to prevent electron flow within the pulsing circuit (AA) of
Figure 1-1.

[chasson321]

Tubes must be wired in series

Meyer's cell wired in series.