Dr. Stiffler's Slow Burning Water

[Aaron]

I'm starting this thread because I recently learned of Dr. Stiffler's
slow burning water circuit/method...

YouTube - Can Water be Burned
YouTube - Can Water be Burned #2
YouTube - Can Water be Burned #3 (slow burning water)

Pages 28-31 seems to have details on this:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Spa...20Stiffler.pdf

It is very significant to be able to burn water slowly. That means you're
not getting a fast quick HHO pop, you're actually getting thermal energy
release from the hydrogen that can make some real heat. This could heat
hot water in a tank, cook some scrambled eggs, or anything else that
a natural gas flame could do.

I saw mention of sodium chloride or magnesium oxide but am not sure if
that is applicable to those 3 youtube vids above. I need to read that
doc in detail, but anyway... slow burning water flame - very important.

The claims of success in water powered engines as in the Ionization &
Water Fuel thread and similar results are possible because of oxygen
being prevented from recombining so quickly with hydrogen to form water,
therefore, thermal energy is able to be released in a real type of
combustion and again, not just a fast quick hho pop that does nothing.

There are other uses for plain HHO but that is not the purpose of this
thread.

Anyway, I'm interested in replicating this in the near future and hope to
see others interested because slow burning water gas flame is
very valuable.

[1NRG24Seven]

Hi Aaron, very interesting...I hope the Doc can come in on this.

Are the anode and cathode carbon rods, also would like to know what voltage and amperage the anode and cathode run at with the SEC inline with the anode and cathode. I might try this not using the sec, I will just put a funnel in a bucket and use one of my cells with a packed tube like his with cotton and fiberglass, see what happens...I am a lil skeptical here that its actually slow burning HHO, thinking it could be that since his wick set up is wider it spreads out the HHO more acrossed it, but could be wrong. If I come back in with my face half blown off you won't laugh at me will you?...24

[DrStiffler]

I'm starting this thread because I recently learned of Dr. Stiffler's
slow burning water circuit/method...

YouTube - Can Water be Burned
YouTube - Can Water be Burned #2
YouTube - Can Water be Burned #3 (slow burning water)

Pages 28-31 seems to have details on this:
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Spa...20Stiffler.pdf

It is very significant to be able to burn water slowly. That means you're
not getting a fast quick HHO pop, you're actually getting thermal energy
release from the hydrogen that can make some real heat. This could heat
hot water in a tank, cook some scrambled eggs, or anything else that
a natural gas flame could do.

I saw mention of sodium chloride or magnesium oxide but am not sure if
that is applicable to those 3 youtube vids above. I need to read that
doc in detail, but anyway... slow burning water flame - very important.

The claims of success in water powered engines as in the Ionization &
Water Fuel thread and similar results are possible because of oxygen
being prevented from recombining so quickly with hydrogen to form water,
therefore, thermal energy is able to be released in a real type of
combustion and again, not just a fast quick hho pop that does nothing.

There are other uses for plain HHO but that is not the purpose of this
thread.

Anyway, I'm interested in replicating this in the near future and hope to
see others interested because slow burning water gas flame is
very valuable.

@Aaron
Aaron, before too many people become excited about this let me explain the status of the work and why it was stopped in the public domain.

The technology is very revolutionary and very real, but my trust in an associate in CA that was maintaining a conflict of interest caused a very bad riff in relations when I was informed that a person he was mentoring was advised by an attorney father that they would patent the work. The student was able to replicate the process and light bulbs or shall I say $$ went off in their minds.

The potential for litigation still exists and my two options were either to bury the work or rush to patent it myself, which was not possible at that time because of monetary concerns.

Yes I could have released it in the public domain, yet this opened me for the possibility of litigation in the reverse direction.

One thing that still remains in my favor and maybe future public release is that the replicator in question was/has not been able to ever determine how the LED's were implemented.

I never removed the video's as you are only the second person that ever realized the significance and potential of what is shown.

My advice for any attempted replications is a bit of chemistry and second level excitation comes into play. The first video's one sees the LED's, although they are not seen on the final video.

My position is if needed I will patent or contest, but as to date this has not seemed necessary and as with the weather an hour can make all the difference in making a good or bad day.

[1NRG24Seven]

Hi Doc....I was taught by a guy who did his own patent work without the use of an attorney, very smart guy by the way. Anyway he stated in his course that once you release the information of a device to the public either in written form or otherwise you have two years to file, or it become public domain if you like it or not. So what his method was, was to file for the patent along with the fee knowing it would be rejected upon first inspection by patent office. He was not concerned with this as he could now say legally it was "Patent Pending"...notifying the public you filed. Then after the rejection and reasons for it he had so many days to respond to keep the process going until he had made the changes they required to satisfy the patent commissioners. Now here was the most interesting part of his method. In the event you were sent notice by certified mail of "Letters Patent" or your success of a patent, he at that stage would NOT sign for it...thereby leaving it as PATENT PENDING. Now you may ask why he decided it was a stronger position than actually getting Letters Patent status. The reason he gave was that a Patent Pending is sealed...and no one can get a copy of what your claims were, he went on to state that Coca Cola was patent pending for over 75 years which made it impossible for anyone to find out the recipe and duplicate it. Anyway I thought it was brilliant on his part. Also as a side note copyrights are the strongest position one can own, as patents only give you the right to sue, copyright infringements are enforced by the FBI.

Good Day....24

[Aaron]

thanks!

Dr. Stiffler,

Thanks for the input on that. Too bad some people's issues get
in the way of progress.

If you need this thread removed at anytime because of it, just let me know.

It was a very knowledgeable member of this forum that pointed your video
out to me - wish I had seen it sooner.

[DrStiffler]

Hi Doc....I was taught by a guy who did his own patent work without the use of an attorney, very smart guy by the way. Anyway he stated in his course that once you release the information of a device to the public either in written form or otherwise you have two years to file, or it become public domain if you like it or not. So what his method was, was to file for the patent along with the fee knowing it would be rejected upon first inspection by patent office. He was not concerned with this as he could now say legally it was "Patent Pending"...notifying the public you filed. Then after the rejection and reasons for it he had so many days to respond to keep the process going until he had made the changes they required to satisfy the patent commissioners. Now here was the most interesting part of his method. In the event you were sent notice by certified mail of "Letters Patent" or your success of a patent, he at that stage would NOT sign for it...thereby leaving it as PATENT PENDING. Now you may ask why he decided it was a stronger position than actually getting Letters Patent status. The reason he gave was that a Patent Pending is sealed...and no one can get a copy of what your claims were, he went on to state that Coca Cola was patent pending for over 75 years which made it impossible for anyone to find out the recipe and duplicate it. Anyway I thought it was brilliant on his part. Also as a side note copyrights are the strongest position one can own, as patents only give you the right to sue, copyright infringements are enforced by the FBI.

Good Day....24

@1NRG24Seven
I further realize that a Patent is only worth the funds you have to defend it and this I have experienced as I was lucky enough to have a grandfather that was a very good inventor that was ripped off from all he developed by individuals that felt theft was a better income than honest work. In the US my grandfather was the inventor of a number of patents, of which the following was for the crook a multimillion dollar device.

OUTLET BOX WALL AND CABLE CLAMP - Google Patent Search

Anyway my concern is I am unable to defend to any large extent a suit against me, that is why I must be careful here as it was replicated in a partial form, at least to where a small sustained flame was obtained from an exciter configuration.

Thans for the info.

[DrStiffler]

Dr. Stiffler,

Thanks for the input on that. Too bad some people's issues get
in the way of progress.

If you need this thread removed at anytime because of it, just let me know.

It was a very knowledgeable member of this forum that pointed your video
out to me - wish I had seen it sooner.

@Aaron

I don't think that will be needed, indeed a few other replicators were very close and may be on this forum under some acronym I am not aware of. I just at this time will not offer help myself in the replication attempts.

You may see from another post I just made that I am from your area, like 16 miles West, little college town when I lived there. Left Spokane when I was 37 and moved to Hawaii. Loved the fishing and cabin we had on Newman.

[rosco1]

Similar flame?

Not sure if it helps.

The flame may be similar.

YouTube - Salt Water into Fuel part 2

[rickoff]

a Patent Pending is sealed...and no one can get a copy of what your claims were

How can that be? If you do searches at the US Patent Office online, you can find oodles of patent applications which have not yet been approved as patents, so are therefore patents pending approval.

[rickoff]

Not sure if it helps.

The flame may be similar.

YouTube - Salt Water into Fuel part 2

Hi Rosco,

I thought the same thing when I noticed this thread, although as I remember the method in that video was to use high frequency radio waves.

[Aaron]

location

OUTLET BOX WALL AND CABLE CLAMP - Google Patent Search

Wow, "inventors" from Cheney Washington. 25 minutes from me.

[rosco1]

Wonderments..

Hi Rosco,

I thought the same thing when I noticed this thread, although as I remember the method in that video was to use high frequency radio waves.

Hi there Rick,

While I've been quite heavily involved with that "other" project for a long time now, I do try to keep my eyes open for similarly interesting material wherever possible.

I haven't really looked into this topic as such, but did find the flame colour to be similar. It appears to be a much more rapid flame though.

Interesting...

[Aaron]

Hawaii

@Aaron

I don't think that will be needed, indeed a few other replicators were very close and may be on this forum under some acronym I am not aware of. I just at this time will not offer help myself in the replication attempts.

You may see from another post I just made that I am from your area, like 16 miles West, little college town when I lived there. Left Spokane when I was 37 and moved to Hawaii. Loved the fishing and cabin we had on Newman.

That patent location was the first thing that stuck out at me!

Seeing how cold it is here in the winter, I'd rather be in Hawaii now too

[Aaron]

applications

How can that be? If you do searches at the US Patent Office online, you can find oodles of patent applications which have not yet been approved as patents, so are therefore patents pending approval.

I wish ALL the applications were easy to get online. I think the database
only goes back to 2002 or something for applications.

Patents go back quite a bit though.

[1NRG24Seven]

Rick now that you mention it I believe Slick Willie changed the rules during his presidency, which was fought tooth and nail by many inventors to no avail, so you may be right they may have changed the rules. Just one more way the ruling class can get one over on the small guy.