Atomic Hydrogen as a Fuel

[Slovenia]

Regular hydrogen being separated out of water has no real power and it takes a lot of it to run an automobile engine. If on the other hand you convert the hydrogen to atomic hydrogen it becomes very powerful and it takes much less of this atomic hydrogen to run an automobile engine and/or whatever else you want to run.

Irving Langmuir invented an atomic hydrogen torch back in 1926 and this is one of the technologies that has been suppressed because the hydrogen being converted in that torch doesn't have to be used for welding but can be used as a fuel.

I saw a thread on the atomic furnace and it has some good information that is applicable here also. I'm not trying to steal anyones thunder from that thread, but I want members to realize that there are other uses for atomic hydrogen such as but not limited to running cars, generators, and so many other things.

Irving Langmuir
Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch

[Slovenia]

Anyone Can Make Atomic Hydrogen

This is one of the easiest ways to convert hydrogen into a usable fuel source and anyone can do it. Just look at the atomic torch and it's configuration. Use a similar setup to manufacture your atomic hydrogen and then use it for whatever you like.

Since only small amounts of atomic hydrogen are needed to run something, any simple electrolyzer making 1 lpm or more should get some useful results. Some engines may require more hydrogen and so in those instances you would need to get a more efficient higher production electrolyzer. This is so easy it has been overlooked by most experimenters.

[Slovenia]

Easiest Application

Probably the easiest to utilize application for this fuel would be to use it to fire a boiler for the production of steam; and then to use the steam to power a steam engine which would in turn drive an electrical generator.

[h20power]

Hi,

One inventor did make use of atomic hydrogen, plus he also made use of atomic oxygen which is far more powerful than atomic hydrogen. He would strip four or more electrons from the oxygen atoms from the incoming air supply. His injectors worked on the oxygen and the hydrogen atoms. The inventors name is Stanley Meyer and on this site I posted just how he made use of water as a source of fuel. In two threads I created I show the energy calculations with only the oxygen atom having it's electrons stripped of four electrons as told by the patent. Guess what? At the fourth energy level the resulting reaction surpasses the energy content of gasoline by more than 1000 kJ/mol and I left the hydrogen atomic out of the calculations which would add another 1312 kJ/mol times two since there are two hydrogens used to form the water molecule. That for me gives the best answer to the question, "How did Stanley Meyer run a 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7 L/min.?"

Now recently my theories on how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a fuel source have come under attack by people thinking Nitrogen is apart of the reaction (gmt) when it is a none combustable gas and really only takes the action of absorbing the heat of the said reaction expanding as it does aidding in pushing down the piston. They don't have a complete understanding of Chemistry so they are unable to see the reactions clearly and/or show the full sets of reactions along with the rates of the reactions and energy content calculations that go along with it. What I found out was one only has under .76 seconds and lower as the engine RPM's build up to get all the reactions set for explossion inside the combustion chambers.

Now the only reason I mention nitrogen at all is if you do take the time to read my thread you will read these two theories.
In the most basic sense the difference between the two theories is this:

My theory = ionized air gases(focusing on the oxygen atoms by choice of cohrent light wavelenghs used) + polarized dividing and spliting of water mist -> then mixed, compressed, and ignited. And it is also stated in the patent as doing exactly that.

The other theory = ionized air gases + hho -> making new molecules while being mixed, compressed, and then being ignited.

Take the time to read my post for they are up for everyone to have with no charge for the information given. Enjoy!


h2opower.

[ewizard]

Sounds interesting. Slovenia could you check that 2nd link in your first post as it does not seem to be valid (I think there are a lot of ....'s in that link that may be incorrect).

[Aaron]

Atomic Hydrogen | Langmuir

Very interesting - I have 5 tabs that have been open for over a week
in my browser all on atomic hydrogen and Langmuir's torch. I was intending
to start a thread on this because it is relevant to the other water fuel thread.

Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding


Atomic - Hydrogen Welding

"A process in which the welding heat is generated by passing a stream of hydrogen through an electric arc between two inclined electrodes, which are usually of tungsten. The high temperature of the arc dissociates molecules of the gas into atoms, a large quantity of heat being absorbed by the hydrogen during dissociation. When the atoms leave the influence of the arc they recombine, forming molecules of hydrogen and liberating heat previously absorbed. The gas then burns in the ordinary way, taking up oxygen from the atmosphere for the purpose.


The average temperature of the flame is approximately 4000 deg. C., which is higher than the maximum temperature of any other flame. The heat is concentrated chiefly at the point of recombination of the atoms, and this recombination is accelerated catalytically by contact with the surface of the metal being welded. Thus an intense flame is obtained at the point of welding. The process is, therefore, used when rapid welding is necessary, as for stainless steels and other special alloys. The hydrogen envelope prevents oxidation both of the metal and the tungsten electrodes, and it also reduces the risk of nitrogen pick-up. The non-oxidizing characteristic is perhaps the most important in practice.
As a rule, the cost of welding by this process is slightly higher than with other processes, but it is sometimes the only practicable method by which a satisfactory weld can be made. An automatic atomic - hydrogen welding process has also been developed in which, instead of using hydrogen from high-pressure cylinders, the hydrogen is obtained by cracking anhydrous ammonia."


Odhams Practical & Technical Encyclopaedia 1947

[Aaron]

Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch

Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch

Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch





Invented by Langmuir in 1926 , this device produces a temperature of 3700 degrees centigrade. Tungsten can be melted, diamond vapourised. A jet of hydrogen gas is dissociated as it passes through an electric arc. H2 > H + H - 422 kJ. An endothermic reaction, with the intensely hot plasma core of the arc providing the dissociation energy. The atomic hydrogen produced soon recombines; and this recombination is the source of such high temperatures (easily outperforming oxy-hydrogen: 2800oC and oxy-acetylene: 3315oC).


The hydrogen can be thought of as simply a transport mechanism to extract energy from the arc plasma and transfer it to a work surface. It produces a true flame, as the heat is liberated by a chemical reaction. H + H > H2 + 422kJ. The molecular hydrogen burns off in the atmosphere, contributing little to the heat output.



From the May 1, 1926 issue of The Science News-Letter -
"...developed by Dr. Irving Langmuir, assistant director of the Schenectady laboratory, and makes use of what he calls flames of atomic hydrogen.... Electric currents of 20 amperes and at voltages ranging from 300 to 800"


From A Text Book of Inorganic Chemistry, Partington 1946 -
"Atomic hydrogen. - Langmuir (1912) has shown that hydrogen in contact with a tungsten wire heated by an electric current at low pressure, is dissociated into atoms:

H2 <=> 2H. This splitting of the hydrogen molecule is attended by the absorption of a large amount of energy, about 100kcal per gram molecule. The atomic hydrogen so formed is chemically very active. Langmuir also showed that atomic hydrogen is formed when an electric arc between tungsten electrodes is allowed to burn in hydrogen at atmospheric pressure. The atomic hydrogen was blown out of the arc by a jet of molecular hydrogen directed across the arc, and formed an intensely hot flame, which is capable of melting tungsten (m.p. 3400oC). This flame obtains its heat not from combustion but from the recombination of hydrogen atoms into H2. It is suitable for melting and welding many metals. Iron can be melted without contamination with carbon, oxygen or nitrogen. Because of the powerful reducing action of the atomic hydrogen, alloys can be melted without fluxes and without surface oxidation. A feature of the flame is the great rapidity with which heat can be delivered to a surface, which is very important in welding operations."

Atomic hydrogen welding.
Used extensively before the second world war, particularly in germany. The method was known as Arc-Atom. The welding torch consists of two inclined tungsten electrodes across which an AC arc is struck. Annular nozzles around the electrodes carry hydrogen gas. The gas streams converge forming a fan shaped flame. A transformer with an open circuit voltage of 300V is required to strike and maintain the arc in hydrogen.


Because of the high thermal conductivity of hydrogen, the plasma channel in the arc is constricted, offering very high energy concentration. Arc-Atom welding was of particular use for such jobs as surfacing dies, where the high flame temperature enabled a thin surface layer to be deposited on the thick base metal. Modern shielding gas methods such as MIG and TIG processes have replaced Arc-Atom, but do not have the extreme temperatures and arc constriction qualities of atomic hydrogen.

[Aaron]

Atomic Hydrogen Welding

Atomic hydrogen welding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"AHW" redirects here. For the airline based in Kharkiv, Ukraine, see Aeromist-Kharkiv. For the railroad, see Ahnapee and Western Railway.


Atomic hydrogen welding (AHW) is an arc welding process that uses an arc between two metal tungsten electrodes in a shielding atmosphere of hydrogen. The process was invented by Irving Langmuir in the course of his studies of atomic hydrogen. The electric arc efficiently breaks up the hydrogen molecules, which later recombine with tremendous release of heat, reaching temperatures from 3400 to 4000 °C. An acetylene torch merely reaches 3300 °C. This is the third hottest flame after cyanogen at 4525 °C and dicyanoacetylene at 4987 °C. This device may be called an atomic hydrogen torch, nascent hydrogen torch or Langmuir torch.



The process was also known as Arc-Atom welding.


The heat produced by this torch is sufficient to melt and weld tungsten (3422 °C), the most refractory metal. The presence of hydrogen acts as a gas shield and protects metals from contamination by carbon, nitrogen, or oxygen, which can severely damage the properties of many metals. It eliminates the need of flux for this purpose.


The arc is maintained independently of the workpiece or parts being welded. The hydrogen gas is normally diatomic (H2), but where the temperatures are over 600 °C (1100 °F) near the arc, the hydrogen breaks down into its atomic form, simultaneously absorbing a large amount of heat from the arc. When the hydrogen strikes a relatively cold surface (i.e., the weld zone), it recombines into its diatomic form and rapidly releases the stored heat. The energy in AHW can be varied easily by changing the distance between the arc stream and the workpiece surface. This process is being replaced by shielded metal-arc welding, mainly because of the availability of inexpensive inert gases.


In atomic hydrogen welding, filler metal may or may not be used. In this process, the arc is maintained entirely independent of the work or parts being welded. The work is a part of the electrical circuit only to the extent that a portion of the arc comes in contact with the work, at which time a voltage exists between the work and each electrode.
References

• Norton science encyclopedia 1st and 6th edition copyright 1921-1950 and 1976
• Van Nostrand's Encyclopedia of Science (Pg. 1311)
• Welding Handbook Vol. 2 Library of Congress number 90-085465 copyright 1991 by American Welding Society
• Kalpkjian, Serope and Steven R. Schmid. Manufacturing Engineering and Technology textbook Fifth edition. Upper Saddle River: Pearson Education, Inc., 2006
• "Atomic Hydrogen Welding". Specialty Welds. Atomic Hydrogen Welding. Retrieved 2008-01-26.
• "Atomic - Hydrogen Welding". Odhams Practical & Technical Encyclopaedia. 1947. Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding. Retrieved 2008-01-26.
• "Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch". Lateral Science. Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch. Retrieved 2008-01-26.

[Aaron]

Atomic Hydrogen

Atomic and Nascent Hydrogen, Atomic Hydrogen, Nascent Hydrogen | TutorVista.com
Atomic Hydrogen

Langmuir ,in 1915, obtained atomic hydrogen by dissociating on a hot filament of tungsten or platinum. The dissociation of molecular hydrogen is an endothermic process.




The atomic hydrogen is stable only for a fraction of a second and immediately reverts back to its molecular form, liberating a large amount of energy.


Atomic hydrogen is extremely reactive, being more reactive than ordinary, nascent, or adsorbed oxygen. When it is passed over metals or non-metals, it forms hydrides at normal temperatures, excepting for nitrogen, to which it does not react.


Atomic hydrogen is an extremely powerful reducing agent, reducing oxides chlorides and sulphides of some metals like Ag, Hg, Cu etc. to metals at ordinary temperature.Nascent Hydrogen

The hydrogen gas, which is just liberated as a result of a chemical is called nascent hydrogen or newly born hydrogen. It is obtained by passing dihydrogen gas at atmospheric pressure through an electric arc between two tungsten rods. The electric arc maintains a temperature around 4000 - 4500°C. As the molecules of dihydrogen gas pass through the electric arc, these absorb energy and get dissociated into atoms as nascent hydrogen. It is more reactive than ordinary hydrogen and its colour is not discharged. (pink in colour). For example, if ordinary hydrogen is passed through acidified KMnO4 it does not get decolourised. However, if zinc pieces are added to the same solution, bubbles of hydrogen rise up through the solution and the colour is discharged due to the reduction of KMnO4 by nascent hydrogen.

[Aaron]

Nascent Hydrogen

THE ATOMIC HYDROGEN REACTION

langmuir nascent hydrogen - Google Search

[Aaron]

drop the misinformation Edward!

Now recently my theories on how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a fuel source have come under attack by people thinking Nitrogen is apart of the reaction when it is a none combustable gas and really only takes the action of absorbing the heat of the said reaction expanding as it does aidding in pushing down the piston. They don't have a complete understanding of Chemistry do they are unable to see the reactions clearly and/or show the full sets of reactions along with the rates of the reactions and energy content calculations that go along with it.

Drop your almighty claims Edward! Nitrogen IS part of the reaction and
nobody has said nitrogen itself is combusting - get real! Keep your
misdirection attempts at making it look like anyone is saying nitrogen is
combusting to your own thread as it is irrelevant, it is a false claim and to
even insinuate that anyone has said nitrogen is combusting is completely
ridiculous!

I would recommend you drop any further insult against myself or anyone
else that sees value in nitrogen being an essential part of the process.

[Slovenia]

Bad Link

Sounds interesting. Slovenia could you check that 2nd link in your first post as it does not seem to be valid (I think there are a lot of ....'s in that link that may be incorrect).

Hi Ewizard,

Thanks for the intel on the bad link. It worked this morning I don't know what happened. I'll fix it right away.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[Slovenia]

Atomic Hydrogen Langmiur

Very interesting - I have 5 tabs that have been open for over a week
in my browser all on atomic hydrogen and Langmuir's torch. I was intending
to start a thread on this because it is relevant to the other water fuel thread.

Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Welding


Atomic - Hydrogen Welding

"A process in which the welding heat is generated by passing a stream of hydrogen through an electric arc between two inclined electrodes, which are usually of tungsten. The high temperature of the arc dissociates molecules of the gas into atoms, a large quantity of heat being absorbed by the hydrogen during dissociation. When the atoms leave the influence of the arc they recombine, forming molecules of hydrogen and liberating heat previously absorbed. The gas then burns in the ordinary way, taking up oxygen from the atmosphere for the purpose.


The average temperature of the flame is approximately 4000 deg. C., which is higher than the maximum temperature of any other flame. The heat is concentrated chiefly at the point of recombination of the atoms, and this recombination is accelerated catalytically by contact with the surface of the metal being welded. Thus an intense flame is obtained at the point of welding. The process is, therefore, used when rapid welding is necessary, as for stainless steels and other special alloys. The hydrogen envelope prevents oxidation both of the metal and the tungsten electrodes, and it also reduces the risk of nitrogen pick-up. The non-oxidizing characteristic is perhaps the most important in practice.
As a rule, the cost of welding by this process is slightly higher than with other processes, but it is sometimes the only practicable method by which a satisfactory weld can be made. An automatic atomic - hydrogen welding process has also been developed in which, instead of using hydrogen from high-pressure cylinders, the hydrogen is obtained by cracking anhydrous ammonia."


Odhams Practical & Technical Encyclopaedia 1947

Hi Aaron,

You must be sending me some strong vibes or something. Last night about 12:30 a.m. or so I woke up with the strong feeling that I was supposed to add the link on the atomic hydrogen to the Energetic Forum. It just came to my mind from somewhere. It was probably you. It's unbelievable. I've been listening to your tapes and I've been trying to stay focussed and think positive.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[tutanka]

Hi,

One inventor did make use of atomic hydrogen, plus he also made use of atomic oxygen which is far more powerful than atomic hydrogen. He would strip four or more electrons from the oxygen atoms from the incoming air supply. His injectors worked on the oxygen and the hydrogen atoms. The inventors name is Stanley Meyer and on this site I posted just how he made use of water as a source of fuel. In two threads I created I show the energy calculations with only the oxygen atom having it's electrons stripped of four electrons as told by the patent. Guess what? At the fourth energy level the resulting reaction surpasses the energy content of gasoline by more than 1000 kJ/mol and I left the hydrogen atomic out of the calculations which would add another 1312 kJ/mol times two since there are two hydrogens used to form the water molecule. That for me gives the best answer to the question, "How did Stanley Meyer run a 1.6L engine with an hho production rate of only 7 L/min.?"

Now recently my theories on how Stanley Meyer made use of water as a fuel source have come under attack by people thinking Nitrogen is apart of the reaction when it is a none combustable gas and really only takes the action of absorbing the heat of the said reaction expanding as it does aidding in pushing down the piston. They don't have a complete understanding of Chemistry so they are unable to see the reactions clearly and/or show the full sets of reactions along with the rates of the reactions and energy content calculations that go along with it. What I found out was one only has under .76 seconds and lower as the engine RPM's build up to get all the reactions set for explossion inside the combustion chambers.

Take the time to read my post for they are up for everyone to have with no charge for the information given. Enjoy!


h2opower.

Peoples don't attack you only reply because have an own mind for think! Instead you are similarry government...you want that all peoples have your vision.. NO DEAR ISN'T POSSIBLE!!! For reply to your words... Yes.. nitrogen isn't an combustible .. you have true on that but NITROGEN is used from Meyer similarry to carbon on gasoline molecule. My eyes all days see Meyer chemical reaction .. and isn't fantasy as your oxygen destabilized.. oxygen for me is only an oxidant and don't create miracles inside engine. On your thread you have written kilometers of same words but the complete chemical reaction created inside Meyer Injector isn't present, you write only about ionization energy of oxygen but only that. Meyer have understand, probably after tests, that hydrogen can't be useful inside normal engine and the only right way for use hydrogen as combustible is change the atomic mass. But as you know is impossible normally but with ammonia all change.. You and your peoples continue to study Meyer patents but sometimes I have written: MEYER PATENST ARE WRONG FOR PROTECT HIM FROM COPIERS. I have reply to you only because writing these words you have offend me and my team.. Regards

[Slovenia]

Bad Link

Irving Langmuir
Lateral Science - Atomic Hydrogen Blowtorch

http://www.gifnet.org/.../Langmuir%2...20Hydrogen.pdf

The 2nd Link will not pull up properly for some reason, so I am going to give you a link to a web page that has the pdf file I want you to download there. The name of the book I was trying to link you to was, PDF IRVING LANGMUIR AND ATOMIC HYDROGEN. By Nicholas Moller.

So, here is the link if you'd like to download the book:
irving langmiur atomic hydrogen pdf - Google Search