We are the Peace. Gift for the humanity. Stanley Meyer Water injector Solved!

[sucahyo]

There is a calculation for knowing the voltage an electrical generator will have witch depends on the speed the conductor cross the magnetic field, the intensity of the magnetic field and the length.

5 volts where only a demonstrative value (not real) ...

Ok, thanks. Do that calculation also include load resistance too?

Water have contaminants, they are responsible for water to not be a perfect insulation. I believe that if we add the ionized gases in the same duct (kind of cold plasma) we are going to have a very very high conductivity or very low resistance.

Do this means no spark would appear if we spark gaping an ionized gas because the voltage would be shorted by the gas and reduce the change of building voltage?

[tutanka]

Well,
Hello People from earth!
We want to provide a technology witch will change the way you live!
We want to provide free energy, food, and medical support.
We are the Future, we are the peace, Aways!

I discovered how to run a car on water using Stanley Allen Meyer water injector principle and i would like to leave here the info about it and to find people interested in support me with money to construct the device and any technical help that we may need for completing the replication of the injectors.

All his work is based on Magneto hydro dynamics (MHD) and Electro hydro dynamics (EHD).

He created a high pressure cheaply inside his water tank and made the water to move at high speed crossing an electric field generating this way a high amperage.

He divided the generation of electrical energy needed to split the water in two parts. 1° the creation of high voltage field aways rising at low amps and 2° the creation of high amperage due to the high speed of flow of water in relation to his electrodes. The high amperage is what allows the electric field generator or (vic) to actually develop the high voltage!

I would like to receive donations on this https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/websc...if%3aNonHosted link , you just need to create a free account and choose how much you want to donate than you can easily send the donation using your credit cards.
We need lots of money aways but for now if we could put at least 20 thousand euros together for start constructing demonstration devices would be great! Actually for start changing people life we are going to need lot more money!

Sebosfato.. you are every the same.. you think that peoples send you moneys??If you want moneys you have to present your project better.. you can't aspect that peoples send you moneys for free.. I have been ask with you some times about that.. However you have found solution?
Ok what is the final combustible created from Stan Meyer? I suppose that can help you to obtain moneys from peoples.. you can't wrote ONLY "We are the Future, we are the peace, Aways! " and "All his work is based on Magneto hydro dynamics (MHD) and Electro hydro dynamics (EHD)".. Regards

[sebosfato]

From ionizationx

This posts come from ionizationx forum they are not the all discussion, just some of the most important things we discussed

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Well its interesting, i'm very impressed,
anyway 1 of my projects just for building costs only for the materials 15 thousand. The one was blocked! The most expensive parts were the rectifiers because to run a car we needed to rectify 10 thousand ampers.

From that you can see special materials are actually needed in that process. Maybe he found another way. who knows.

The one i proposed for the injectors the higher cost will be to make the injectors, i would like to make a pair to test and than if needed re do it again, but before spending money i will together with engineers and physicist here do all the calculation possible to be able to design a first injector that works and proves the principle and gives us the parameters to change if needed. Also here i'm trying to find junkyard materials to save some money but is not that easy, fortunately many of the brains will do the math and project for free because they believed me so we need to spend the money only to make the injector in specialized technician the problem is that nobody here have money only good intent.

We are considering in use bismuth as diamagnetic material, SS, platinum, palladium. And to find a way as to do it without the high cost rectifiers.

The injector will be less expensive if mass produced because will need less material and will be easier to instal. You will only need to replace the tank for the pressure tank, tubing, fit the circuitry for maintaining the pressure, ionizer, solenoids and change the spark plugs. The signal to drive them will be adapted from the normal injection system of new automobiles. There will be maybe also the need to make a hole on the exhaust to direct it to the intake or injectors like stan proposed.

I'm serious!

Best Regards
fabio



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Hi siwa EHD electric field induce current and the flow of a current creates a magnetic field just as i described on the second picture that you can see in the first page, meyer new this and thats why he used long tubes 304 material witch would not rob the magnetic field created inside his tubes, than the flow of the bubbles induced because o their less density in relation to the water, accelerated the water amplifying the current and so amplifying the generation of hydrogen. This current i think that is not possible to measure, because should start and finish between the electrodes.

Siwa There is MHD and EHD, a magnetic field created by EHD as i showed in that drawing is quite impossible to create with magnets, i'm studying about diamagnetic materials such as bismuth because the have the ability of change the magnetic field direction, however i'm seeing that only EHD can create such complex magnetic field in a cylinder. MHD can be used very well with permanent magnets and flat plates and also in a cylinder but the inner electrode should split the cavity into two cavities to be able to use this effect. You must make drawings and use the right hand rule to understand well the possibilities.

As the example of the capacitor i gave:

Example:

You have a parallel plate air capacitor charged with 100volts and than disconnected from the power supply.
What happen when you pull the plates apart?
Wouldn't the voltage raise while the charge remains the same?
Why the voltage raised? Why the gain in energy?
Because you did realized a work separating the plates!
This is the principle of the Wimshurst generator.

If the power supply were still connected when you separate the plates the voltage would remain the same and the charge would reduce.

Thats why he used the vic, a charging pump witch by the effect of the blocking or switching diode will pump electrons or raise the electric field only when the electric field being applied is grater than the electric field already existing there.


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look i just found that i'm not the first to think about this after stan. take the time to watch this

YouTube - MHD in Water
YouTube - Lecture - 38 Magnetohydrodynamic Power Generation



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Oh boy
i think i got it

To ionize and destabilize oxygen we need a load witch will consume the electrons from the air gases.

What?

Yes, picture that we are generating electricity by moving the air inside a electric field so where will the electrons come from to form the current? from the gas ...
Ionizer probably solved

Thats why meyer said he used the electron extraction circuit with a heater resistance as a load. Think about!


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Hi jolt i read few times that EHD and MHD can reach almost 100% efficiency in the propulsion operation if designed well thus i guess inverting the use of the Lorentz forces we can actually generate with very high efficiency. I read about this in few time ago so i don't remember the document but i'm trying to find it again. If i remember well The % is only limited by the resistance to the flow of the liquid on the walls of the system and copper losses. Being water cut by the magnetic fields at high speed the water should just fall apart when it becomes gas it should also expand by a factor or 1800 so should even increase the speed second my thoughts. Anyway if we can accelerate the water enough i believe the efficiency here will not be that important. We are going to use also the principle of the recirculation of the current so i still believe it will still work in the end. My best guess or the most positive vibration one is that meyer used only Stainless steel on the injector, this would make our life's much easier and economical. Who could help us i think is dynodon who have seeing the injectors thru his own hands. Hope he can help us with any guessing.

Good night for you all
see you tomorrow


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Lenz force is the the force that a magnetic field exerts in any conducting media against its movement, (simple example if you have a aluminum heat sync and a strong magnet and try to approximate one in relation to the other you will see there will be a force acting, but after some micro seconds it will touch the heat sync) This is because the magnetic field is inducing a current in the heat sync witch generates a counter electro motive force. Thus Lenz forces caused by permanent magnets can actually acts as a break to a moving conductor, but physics tells us something must happen thus an electric current is induced in this conductor or voltage or whatever one wants to call it like.

In a particle accelerator depending on the type they use a variant magnetic field for accelerating the particles if i remember well (coils) The act like a electromagnetic pump in sync with the movement of the particle. and also magnets in a certain configuration to contain the particles in the middle of the tube to avoid contact with the tube walls. They also use electric fields to accelerate the particles. I showed once here in the forum link for a ping pong boll demo video on you tube between two plates and in a circular accelerating configuration.

In our case to lower costs we don't want to use magnets we only are using the voltage to create an initial current, this current will create a small magnetic field, than we are going to make water + ionized gases to cross this electric field at very high speed 100km/h thus this movement will induce a further increasing voltage and a current and thus a magnetic field and so on that will pull the molecules apart by electrolysis. imagine the magnetic field will work like a knife that will just cut the water.

I remember you the work is done by the pressure that forces the water to flow. There will be a resonance there like voltage induce a current, current induce a magnetic field, water induce a voltage this voltage induce a current, this current increase the magnetic field and so on,

I believe that in the end of the injector water is going to be expelled as a GAS probably with few droplets of water together.

I will start doing some tests with somethings i have here, like a high pressure machine to clean cars, some magnets, voltmeter...

Regards


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Handyandy

This may or may not be relevant to the topic but it is an interesting observation and an explanation why in Stan's CA1234774 patent he shows a graph that with circulation the amps are reduced. Tim Walker on another forum took a metal tube and ran water thru it. He measured the volts with a voltmeter and found he was generating a voltage by putting one probe on the outside of the pipe and the other probe to the metal sink.

Andy




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Read with much attention, this is the abstract of the MEYER patent haithar came up with.

"Process and apparatus for dissociating hydrogen
atoms from a water molecule by electrical force. Particularly,
the separation of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms from the
water molecule by the application of a non-regulated, non-
filtered, low-power, direct current voltage electrical
potential applied to two non-oxidizing similar metal plates
having water passing therebetween.




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I explored the patent ca1234774 here in another thread. I pretty much verified all the claims stan made in that patent. The lawton circuit I purchased arrived doa so I tested with a dimmer switch (poor man's variac), straight dc, a cheap low power pwm and a cheap low power inverter circuit. But that was the wfc and not the final water fuel injector patents that Stan eventually arrived at. Water pumps are relatively low power devices and tap or distilled water is non-corrosive. I found a 12 watt water pump at j.c. whitney that operates on 12 volts. There may be other better ones.

Andy

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[sebosfato]

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Yes pumps can be quite low power. If you take 40w it can become 40kv 1ma or can be 0,001 volts 40000 amps... depends on how you transform it!


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Hello guys

Today I went to a university the most important here in south America. I talked to a doctor in physics for about 3 hours called juan from Spain . He is the responsible for the institute of plasma physics usp and they are doing a research for designing a kind of plasma that will reach 10 million degrees to achieve controlled fusion in about 20 years.

I got some bad news, about ionization, He told me that we wont get any plasma or ionization of any kind without having 10.000 degrees. If we were up to ionize taking out of oxygen 4 electrons we would need 200.000 degrees...

He explained me that if you create a plasma you have the ions witch are the protons close to the cathode separated from the electrons on the anode, and that there is a tremendous force of attraction between them and told me that there is no way to extract the electrons as stan described, actually told me that this don't even exists. He told me that they superheat the plasma to ionize it with passing thru it currents in the order of 100.000 amperes far higher than I ever though was possible....

About my theory he said:
well maybe it can work you must prove it, makes a lot of sense, you should study to have the background to be able to design a physics model to calculate, the people that know what you need for this are too busy to even think about what you are proposing, but would break the theory of thermodynamics however he said" if you are saying that there are so many patents in the field it can be true, nobody would spent 200k dollars to make international patents on the field if wasn't true"

I gave him my phone and said to him that if he ever find someone who is interested and have background to collaborate will give me a call.

I decided to start studying, (following all)the physics course witch will include math.... To be able to do the calculations, and in the end of the year I will make the test to be able to enter in the university legally and finish the course 5 years. There I will be able to use the university materials and labs, and have the opportunity to know lot of people that will help me. I'm 24... well I will study a bit ... I'm one moth late.

Best regards
sebosphysicus



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Strange story Sebos about ionization. Can that person explain how air purifiers work on 3 till 5Kv?

So you stay there and not go back to Italy?
Back to school is kewl......
Go for it!

Steve

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Haithar
"good plan learning the basics and going to a university for this. if it works in the future some day then you'll have the credibility to show it with confidence while others are ridiculed as crazy backyard experimenters.

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Hi Steve and haithar

Yes he told me that this ionizers gives only a very small charge, not even 0,001% or less of the atoms on the gases will charge so will never be a conductive plasma...

I want to stay here as i spent to many time in italy where i needed to pay my rent... was kind of difficult the last times i could not stay there and study more was too expensive for me alone, The police didn't allowed me to play recently so i was very limited with the money, here i have my house and parents that will support me in this new adventure fortunately, they want so much that i study in university, so i will. I think is a good opportunity, to have background to study this thing, and as i already have an idea before entering the university i can actually direct my study and try to find answers to our questions...
I hope they don't insist with the thermodynamics or conservation of energy theories ...hahahaha... will not work on me

The doctor asked me about conservation, i answered:

What happens when you have two 10 megawatts power plants feeding two lasers 90° de-phased, both focused and pointing the same spot in a black wall? Answer: Nothing, any heat is generated, no light is reflected, the wall don't get destroyed, where the energy goes? Didn't conservation told us that energy cannot be destroyed or annihilated, one laser can't cancel the other, where the energy goes? Answer the space time! than he said :
" i'm not sure but there might be an explanation for this" hahha but after i said:

Conservation of energy laws are quite specific to closed systems because they were afraid of creating a law that could be broken so they specified and said in a closed circuit...

Our is a open circuit and we use water to transform or to have a gain in energy... like Stan said... Energy source...
I will keep on testing as i can...

Regards,
Fabio

[sebosfato]

Hi rickof

Sorry here for thousand we learned to use the dot and comas like this 10.000,00 dollars or like 1,5 hours. I will try to specify well to avoid confusion. Whenever you see a dot and you see 3 zeros after it means thousands, or zeros before means like 0.1 mm. I didn't knew about this differences in U.S.A. english. sorry for the confusion

Hi tutanka

I'm glad to see you are here, I'm not creating any kind of publicity of any kind of scamming, so i'm not really caring about the form i'm presenting it because, I'm just making you (representing the world) know what i'm doing here, i'm playing no games, i'm only proposing a theory, and i believe that if someone really wants to help, will just understand the possibility and help like happened last year witch i got about 7 or 8 donations totalizing 250 euros, that became tests and more tests... Thank you all that could donate!
I'm offering my time and opening this research to be open source theory to you all because of the reasons i pointed before.
I believe that, and will have to study a lot yet to be able to prove it, i hope that this is quite possible and we shaw reach a happy ending!
I hope you can help us here with your knowledge.

Hi sucahyo

That calculation gives us the voltage as an energy (electron volts conversion in volts) thus our only problem is to choose or to design proper resistance to allow the current to flow. I'm not really sure on that... because it were applied to MHD however is the principle of a dc generator faradays law of induction, Lenz, Maxwell's... The theory of the injector I'm proposing is about EHD witch I'm finding huge difficulty in find something self explained about... I will need to graduate in physics to be able to know more about this, fortunately i have the possibility to go to a public university here in SP Brazil witch is one of the best in the world, it is like a city inside the city... many labs and scientists...

Plasma theory became very strange now (i don't know a word to explain this in english) because of the things the doctor in plasma physics told me so i will still have to find out how it's going to work... check the posts from ionizationx i copied here...

Best regards
sebosfacts

[Slovenia]

Very Impressive Man

Hi Sebosfato,

You are a very impressive man. On this thread you have proved yourself to have a lot of character, (i.e.: a man of integrity). You have been faced with some ungrateful challengers and met them well.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

[sebosfato]

Thank you Slovenia,

I'm happy that you can see my integrity and that it has a value to you.
Many People generally don't care about it. Most just don't look not even into themselves.

You are a for sure a great person!
Thank you very much

Best Regards
Fabio

[sucahyo]

Plasma theory became very strange now (i don't know a word to explain this in english) because of the things the doctor in plasma physics told me so i will still have to find out how it's going to work... check the posts from ionizationx i copied here...

Check electrocuted plasma too, like VAD and PAGD.

From what I recall, the result of MHD is high voltage that need to be converted to low voltage. Kinda like kelvin water droplet but without liquid.

[Schpankme]

Thank you Slovenia,

I'm happy that you can see my integrity and that it has a value to you.
Many People generally don't care about it. Most just don't look not even into themselves.

You are a for sure a great person!
Thank you very much

Best Regards
Fabio

Hey Fabio,

I'm curious you stated: "Stanley Meyer Water injector Solved!", please post something showing your current working model and the circuit.

Schpankme

"Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be like water my friend." - Bruce Lee

[sebosfato]

Hi schpankme

as i said, i'm proposing the theory bout how it work i don't have money here to actually build the injectors yet but i have some and i'm doing some tests to prove what i'm saying, however won't be so easy.

If i'm reconstructing my vic driver to be able to test it well but i want to do it with optocoupler drivers so i'm finding some difficulty in find info on how to design what i want. If i had some money, i could go here to industries that actually design and construct to you whatever circuit you have in your mind...would be easier, and circuit would be just perfect...

However i'm working with what i have.

I need to by some plastics and fiber glass, nozzles, stainless steel... small pieces but with no money is not that easy, things take time.

I want to construct a small tank to provide the water at high pressure but i need to put safety components too because i will not risk my life doing things stupidly, i need to put pressure sensor in the tank to limit the pressure to its limit, is not that hard this part but again a pressure sensor costs at least 70 euro so ... Wait and you will se lots of progress.