Hydroxy, Oxyhydrogen, Rhode’s Gas, Brown’s Gas, HHO…?

[sebosfato]

So they are clamming 2,5w/h per liter of gas... This mean it's not over unity!!!

1 mole of water H2O 18g when become a gas it become 33,6 liters of gas and takes about 67 watts hahaha sorry to split into its constituents (faraday law 55amps * 1,24 v )


Saying that:

If we want 67 liters in one hour it should mean you need 134 watts... "Theoretically" (faraday law 55amps * 1,24 v )

Anton say 2,5 watts per liter ???

this means that for 67 liters of gas he would need exactly 167 watts

witch is more than the theoretical energy imposed by faraday... so no ou

[Allcanadian]

@sebosfato

If we want 67 liters in one hour it should mean you need 134 watts... "Theoretically" (faraday law 55amps * 1,24 v )
Anton say 2,5 watts per liter ???
this means that for 67 liters of gas he would need exactly 167 watts
witch is more than the theoretical energy imposed by faraday... so no ou

One issue we cannot discount is the popular preoccupation with "Quantity" instead of "Quality", many times what we see as more in reality is actually less. Our preoccupation with electric currents is one example, many would tell me a circuit providing strong currents has a great deal of power and I would agree however the current is a measure of the rate of dissipation of energy through conduction, a discharging action, do we really want our source to discharge faster inducing great losses as it does so? While the quantity of energy may be great the quality is low thus you will always lose much more than you could ever hope to gain.
When looking at the Anton cell, if they are claiming that the system can run closed loop then it should be obvious that they must be producing a greater "Quantity" of gas than expected or an average quantity of gas of greater "Quality", that is a gas which when discharged produces more energy than expected.
Regards
AC

[vrand]

So they are clamming 2,5w/h per liter of gas... This mean it's not over unity!!!

1 mole of water H2O 18g when become a gas it become 33,6 liters of gas and takes about 67 watts hahaha sorry to split into its constituents (faraday law 55amps * 1,24 v )


Saying that:

If we want 67 liters in one hour it should mean you need 134 watts... "Theoretically" (faraday law 55amps * 1,24 v )

Anton say 2,5 watts per liter ???

this means that for 67 liters of gas he would need exactly 167 watts

witch is more than the theoretical energy imposed by faraday... so no ou

Correct, no OU in gas production.

Anton Gas is OU in Self-Running an electrical generator!

The Anton Gas has OU energy content in its composition. Dr, Moray King say it has more "Charged Water Gas Clusters" which tap ZPE for OU energy.

Regards, Mike R.

[sucahyo]

What posted in scientis literature is h2 energy. Is there comparison data between H2 vs hho?

[vrand]

What posted in scientis literature is h2 energy. Is there comparison data between H2 vs hho?

Looks like we will have to wait a couple of weeks, for the url link to the scientific papers, until Farrah Day gets back from vacation.

[vrand]

New paper published using a laboratory gas spectrometer analysis on Brown’s Gas.

Scientific model published for Brown's gas

Scientific model presented for Brown's gas

Christopher Eckman has been turning heads for a couple of years now in the free energy community with his academic studies and tests on Brown's gas at the University of Idaho. He proposes a model in which the H2O molecule in Brown's gas actually becomes linear and electrical in nature. In the linear form, it loses its dipole and thus can exist in gaseous form which Eckman dubs "electric steam". The dipole is the primary means by which water adheres to things, including itself in liquid form. When the 'electric steam' is ignited and strikes the substrate, it is the electrical energy that is released and is responsible for the heat transference to the substrate, not the temperature of the actual flame that does the work. Liquid water can be seen dripping off of metal substrate.

Finally some scientists are looking at the unique properties of "Brown's Gas"

Regards, Mike R.

[Electrotek]

Hydroxyl

In the past I've always considered that Brown's Gas was a mixture of H and OH - HOH. Of course, now I know that my opinion was uninformed, but do any of these gasses use this combination? This reaction requires 6.1 eV per molecule of water. Recombining the product gasses produces three times as much energy as burning gasoline, according to an old article in Scientific American. The approach in that article used electron impact dissociation. A C/W generator circuit discharged through a gradient plate aperture, but the electron beam stopped when it passed a couple pieces of nylon thread. The electrons were then accelerated into steam by a grid with an exact potential of 6.1V.

[HairBear]

Scientific model published for Brown's gas

Another Sterling Allan story... Another bandwagon to jump on...

[vrand]

Another Sterling Allan story... Another bandwagon to jump on...

One can Download the Paper directly, if you don not want to read the Sterling Allan story:
http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/abstract...racts_5440.pdf- full paper: Plasma Orbital Expansion of the Electrons in Water

This is a significant scientific study on "Brown's Gas" that people who were building HHO gas units for years were looking for from the scientific community.

Now hopefully more scientists will follow up and study this unique gas that has many applications. Besides combustion enhancing in engines, the Neutralization of Radioactive Waste is a huge field that is still unexplored.

Regards, Mike R.

[HairBear]

Yes, I did read all of what was to read and tried to watch the crappy sounding video with Chris and Sterling. The big red flags I can see right off the start are statements such as...

"This new ‘electric steam’ is a form of plasma where only the electrons would be excited, and the water molecules would be
much cooler. Water vapor molecules will be broken up in the
plasma, but we find that Brown’s Gas has a significant amount of
water in it."

"The electron density also makes it appear to still be in the
range of water, not O2 or H2 or O or H, since none of them seem
to give right answers mathematically for the electron densities.
However Brown’s Gas does. It is a unique relatively unknown
structure of water."

Sounds like double speak to me.... Or he just can't find the right words to describe his theory. I have a feeling he will abandon it soon after he has done more extensive research in this field of study. I respect his ideals and efforts, but I do disagree with most of what he states.

Thank you Mike for bringing this up too!

[vrand]

Yes, I did read all of what was to read and tried to watch the crappy sounding video with Chris and Sterling. The big red flags I can see right off the start are statements such as...

"This new ‘electric steam’ is a form of plasma where only the electrons would be excited, and the water molecules would be
much cooler. Water vapor molecules will be broken up in the
plasma, but we find that Brown’s Gas has a significant amount of
water in it."

"The electron density also makes it appear to still be in the
range of water, not O2 or H2 or O or H, since none of them seem
to give right answers mathematically for the electron densities.
However Brown’s Gas does. It is a unique relatively unknown
structure of water."

Sounds like double speak to me.... Or he just can't find the right words to describe his theory. I have a feeling he will abandon it soon after he has done more extensive research in this field of study. I respect his ideals and efforts, but I do disagree with most of what he states.

Thank you Mike for bringing this up too!

Its not every day a scientist does a gas spectrometer analysis on Brown's Gas. In fact this is the the first and only scientific study I have seen on Brown's Gas.

Farrah Day mentioned that Dr. Rhodes did a study back in the 1960's, but did not provide any additional info on that study or the paper title.

Brown's Gas properties and its effects can not be explained by current conventional scientific theories. In fact the situation is so bad that when the Anton Cell series cell design builders demonstrated extra energy output greater than input to German university scientists they were told to not pursue further research as it could destroy the existing energy corporate structure.

Its great that an American young scientists has the courage to research new breakthrough technologies, and I commend Christopher Eckman for a job well done and for him to continue his research in Brown's Gas.

Regards, Mike R.

[ashtweth]

Ti/MMO producing ortho

Maybe off topic but As far as i know the Ti/MMO plates are now being used as the understanding is (even from Bob Boyce, some one will correct me here if i ma wrong) is that it releases more of the ortho hydrogen where SS does not. We tested a TI plates cell on the weekend guys going to have a dyno on it next week for a production, but let me say at 3 amps this thing pumped out gas. I suggest people look into the ortho hydrogen theories coming from Ti/MMO plates.Patrick may have some on it at the free energy site, we have some in the hydroxy course on the uni site.

Mike thanks for that stuff on radioactive and plasma, very interesting never seen it before.

Ash

[HairBear]

Even though I disagree at this point with Eckman's claims, I do find his results rather interesting. I did a little searching and found an article by Wiseman that somewhat supports Eckman's theory.

Eagle-Research:

Let's hope Eckman is not met with the typical oppression and is let to publish his works freely. Ash, will Eckman's articles be put in the panacea archives?

Thanks again Mike for bringing this to our attention.

[vrand]

Maybe off topic but As far as i know the Ti/MMO plates are now being used as the understanding is (even from Bob Boyce, some one will correct me here if i ma wrong) is that it releases more of the ortho hydrogen where SS does not. We tested a TI plates cell on the weekend guys going to have a dyno on it next week for a production, but let me say at 3 amps this thing pumped out gas. I suggest people look into the ortho hydrogen theories coming from Ti/MMO plates.Patrick may have some on it at the free energy site, we have some in the hydroxy course on the uni site.

Mike thanks for that stuff on radioactive and plasma, very interesting never seen it before.

Ash

Hi Ash,
Here is Bob Boyce and Bro Andrews take on Ti/MMO plates:

Ti/mmo plate cells will last 6 mths to one year, they they will need to be rebuilt. Ti is a galvanic metal and will make ortho hydrogen and very little oxygen, it makes Ti dioxide instead that will eventually turn into a gray Ti dioxide sludge. They do work great at first, then the gains slowly go away. As the metal erodes under the MMO platinum / iridium coating, it will eventually come off. Heavy amps with KOH or NaOH will not take long before it takes the coating away

Stick with stainless. They will last a life time.

The latest "Brown's Gas" design the Anton Cell is making headline news in the OU forums in Germany.

They claimed excess energy in self running a 2.5hp/1000 watt electric generator set. This would be an energy breakthrough. A short video was also posted showing the genset being fueled by the Anton Cell while powering the cell and additional loads. There are other German researchers reproducing their setup right now.

The future looks bright for the Brown's Gas industry

Regards, Mike R.

[ashtweth]

Mike we need to get you on the pay roll LOL thanks brother