Hydroxy, Oxyhydrogen, Rhode’s Gas, Brown’s Gas, HHO…?

[kcarring]

* I started off interested in HHO dry cell building. Then I installed a 12v system into my 1989 6.2l diesel 4x4. After tweaking things I got about 10-15% gains in fuel economy. The 6.2l is already known for good fuel economy I get the equivalent of about 20-23 mpg (gas). The 6.2 is also known for running for years with microfissures and cracks in the engine block and often when guys do a teardown, that's it - it's done - garbage - stuff doesn't go back together, or it does and then fails on some waterjacket. Consequently, I took it out - I have a little theory that exploding hydrogen is harder on parts, especially if parts or weakened or cracked to begin with. (That's my theory). So for me, I wanted to move on. I am an RV technician and I have about 10,000 worth (new cost) of removed / broken or incomplete refrigeration systems laying around. I tinkered with getting an ammonium based fridge to run on HHO, and it did work, in the end. As to whether the cost of making HHO was cheaper than bottled propane, I'm not sure, the idea was I can make HHO with solar, but I can't make propane with solar. In the end I decided it'd be more effective with hydrogen. To use HHO, I had to modify the bottom of the heat exchanger by creating a heat exchanger around piece of magnesium alloy that was fired at by the HHO flame. I think a normal H2 flame, in direct replacement of a propane flame would be suffice.

[sucahyo]

Have you read George's latest revision of Brown's Gas book? I bought it, it's very interesting, there are some interesting small points that George makes in it.

I overlook this post, many thanks for sharing the information .

I'm sorry, George's gas IS different. I've used it.

Now, I realize that it can be very different, but not the way you explain it to be. I see the cause of different resulting gas as the same cause that can make Bob Boyce Toroid produce 10X gain of power.

The difference would not be detectable with meter. So even if lab analysis show exactly the same gas ingredient, I highly believe that field test will show significantly different result.

With water as source of energy, with correct use of non detectable thing, at light scale it add power to the HHO, at heavy scale it can make engine run without even consume the water.

I think everyone familiar with Joe Cell. I see Boyce or Wiseman electrolysis gas possibly had the some bit of Joe Cell kind of power. Ask people who use Joe Cell as power booster. I read some of them mention around the same mileage improvement of HHO. What if we combine it?

I think a normal H2 flame, in direct replacement of a propane flame would be suffice.

I think you should try this too:

[kcarring]

I overlook this post, many thanks for sharing the information .

Now, I realize that it can be very different, but not the way you explain it to be. I see the cause of different resulting gas as the same cause that can make Bob Boyce Toroid produce 10X gain of power.

The difference would not be detectable with meter. So even if lab analysis show exactly the same gas ingredient, I highly believe that field test will show significantly different result.

With water as source of energy, with correct use of non detectable thing, at light scale it add power to the HHO, at heavy scale it can make engine run without even consume the water.

I think everyone familiar with Joe Cell. I see Boyce or Wiseman electrolysis gas possibly had the some bit of Joe Cell kind of power. Ask people who use Joe Cell as power booster. I read some of them mention around the same mileage improvement of HHO. What if we combine it?

I think you should try this too:

I tend to agree with it'd be impossible to tell other than in a lab, but, I have to say, like George claims, the one gas has a more implosive factor than the other, and you can tell when you hear an explosion of it. I can understand why people wouldn't believe me or him say that, but all I can say is: try it! One has more of a bang and the other has more of a poof or ping sound.

[sucahyo]

I tend to agree with it'd be impossible to tell other than in a lab, but, I have to say, like George claims, the one gas has a more implosive factor than the other, and you can tell when you hear an explosion of it. I can understand why people wouldn't believe me or him say that, but all I can say is: try it! One has more of a bang and the other has more of a poof or ping sound.

I am sure people who had lit the stage 3 Joe Cell bubble would share the same experience. Some give big warning to use ear plug for the very loud noise.

[kcarring]

I am sure people who had lit the stage 3 Joe Cell bubble would share the same experience. Some give big warning to use ear plug for the very loud noise.

I'm not too sure about the Joe Cell. I do know that normal HHo generation, as I do it, and any many do it, certainly has it's limitations.

One thing you might find interesting though Sucahyo, is playing with the flame. It is nothing short of amazing what is "left" when you melt stuff. Some rocks turn to dust, others turn to glass. Some just disappear completely. Old motor oil can be burnt to the point that no stain remains on the steel plate. It seems you can even turn carbon to CO2/CO with it... (guessing) It's completely bizarre. I still don't understand how you can take a flame that is not even very hot (you can hold against your hand for a second or two) - and then turn around and literally melt down a rock. It's so effective at melting things, yet, once in a while you find something it can't touch (or, it takes much much longer than you'd think). Like water. It's lousy for heating water! It seems if it doesn't conduct electricity well, then it doesn't melt easy, mind you that doesn't ALWAYS hold true either... one really neat thing is magnesium alloy, it gets WHITE HOT, but doesn't disappear, it glows like the sun, and gives off some good heat but doesn't melt away on you. they say you can weld with it, if you bubble it through acetone or gasoline but I am so completely paranoid of a flashback, I haven't got the balls to try. Thing is, an HHO flashback itself, isn't that big of a deal! There is never enough "contained" in your line or bubbler to truly make a massive explosion... I've had dozens of flashbacks, one even right back to my reservoir, but all it does, is, break containers. If that. Usually it will just pound solution to the next check valve or even right out of your torch hose. I never run a high level of NaOH anyway, because I find concentrated NaOH more dangerous than the HHO!!! However, if you were to bubble it though gas, and then a flash made it back to a container of gasoline with a head of HHO?! Oh my... I can't imagine! Gasoline is far more dangerous than HHO! I know this for certain, I've exploded both numerous times. Gasoline will cook you if your nearby, it's a massive fireball... not too mention the fire you'd have afterwards! It'd be nearly impossible to set fire to anything with HHO, it explodes so unbeliviably fast theres no time for a fire to even start.

The most I ever exploded was a 4l container and it was like 10 shotguns going off... but no real flame or heat to speak of. A neat experiment is to ignite 1l of it in aplastic bottles, with a hoseline to another bottle. Some reactors will produce a gas that will implode the second bottle, other don't. The real danger of explosions, I believe is the concussion, and deafening yourself. Anything over 2l is too much, I'll never blow off 4l again. Only because of it's potential to damage your hearing, it's just too loud. I kind of laugh when people say "You can't use HHO in a motor because the explosion is far to hot for an ICE. That is complete balderdash. It will lower the temperature of your average fossil fuel explosion! It may increase the reaction speed though, so you better hope your piston is top dead center when it happens... I find it very useful in combination with methane from a wood gasifier - it cleans up the smoke and makes an otherwise "dirty" fuel quite clean.

cheers

[sucahyo]

Thank for sharing your experience . That is very weird behaviour for a flame.

Do you also try some of what Wiseman mention? like making iron non corrosive with hho torch?


Agree that gasoline with HHO around is more lethal than just gasoline and HHO separated.