H2o IDEA

[sparticus]

I've read through-out these forums concerning the H2 gas for car engines, and i'm curious! So far everyone seems to be doing the same thing;however, I have a question. Have anyone just tried boiling some water and route the steam directly into the engine thru the fuel injector port or vacum intake, and extract and burn the H2 from the water steam gas via the spark plug?

I'm new to this site, and I've built some plates for electrolysis and haven't gotten any where with it. It's got to be a much easier way to do this?

I'm thinking of using the traditional h2 gas electrolysis concept with the traditional stainless steel plates, as well as boiling steam and route it to combustion chamber (h2 gas extraction via the sparkplug inside the combustion chamber, and ignition at the same time)

anyone want to comment on this? or am I waisting my time? I'm not scientist, just a normal guy trying to crack this thing!

[Cloxxki]

I've read through-out these forums concerning the H2 gas for car engines, and i'm curious! So far everyone seems to be doing the same thing;however, I have a question. Have anyone just tried boiling some water and route the steam directly into the engine thru the fuel injector port or vacum intake, and extract and burn the H2 from the water steam gas via the spark plug?

I'm new to this site, and I've built some plates for electrolysis and haven't gotten any where with it. It's got to be a much easier way to do this?

I'm thinking of using the traditional h2 gas electrolysis concept with the traditional stainless steel plates, as well as boiling steam and route it to combustion chamber (h2 gas extraction via the sparkplug inside the combustion chamber, and ignition at the same time)

anyone want to comment on this? or am I waisting my time? I'm not scientist, just a normal guy trying to crack this thing!

You mean, it might be easier to get the H and O seperation when at least the H2O is already "steaming hot"?
One downside I see, is that of volume. I may have remem eber wrong, but volume expands only a few times (I want to say 3x) going from H2O steam to HHO gas. From liquid water to steam is like 600x. Easy to falsify, and I may be off some magnitudes.
Anyway, the explosing and subsequent implosion might not bring much punch?
Another thing, does steam conduct very well, if you're planning to spark it?

Even if people more experienced than me (everyone including you is) would call your idea to be pointless, at least you're looking for another way. The ways that have been documented, were documented to not work, so we'll have to be original.
Don't be discouraged to look for clever ways! Just don't spend you time building on something you knwo in your heart will not be "it".

Good luck,

J

[sparticus]

thanks

You mean, it might be easier to get the H and O seperation when at least the H2O is already "steaming hot"?
One downside I see, is that of volume. I may have remem eber wrong, but volume expands only a few times (I want to say 3x) going from H2O steam to HHO gas. From liquid water to steam is like 600x. Easy to falsify, and I may be off some magnitudes.
Anyway, the explosing and subsequent implosion might not bring much punch?
Another thing, does steam conduct very well, if you're planning to spark it?

Even if people more experienced than me (everyone including you is) would call your idea to be pointless, at least you're looking for another way. The ways that have been documented, were documented to not work, so we'll have to be original.
Don't be discouraged to look for clever ways! Just don't spend you time building on something you knwo in your heart will not be "it".

Good luck,

J

yeah..thanks for the insight, and I was hoping someone already done this! Maybe they have, which is the reason why many have viewed this thread and haven't commented! I'm glad you responded. Anyone else have some insight?

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

I seem to remember reading that some scenarios with plasma ignition or cap discharge through water causes implosion, rather than explosion...

If that were the case, and you could reproduce that effect reliably, perhaps you could inject steam at top dead center, and ignite it at bottom dead center to pull the piston back up

[sparticus]

I seem to remember reading that some scenarios with plasma ignition or cap discharge through water causes implosion, rather than explosion...

If that were the case, and you could reproduce that effect reliably, perhaps you could inject steam at top dead center, and ignite it at bottom dead center to pull the piston back up

now that's something i haven't heard of! So you saying that plasma ignition is like a negative pressure instead of positive, thus creating a vacum?

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

YouTube - HHO Explosion and Implosion
YouTube - Implosion of HHO
YouTube - 4 Stroke Conversion to HHO Implosion 2 Stroke Explained (3)
from the last one "Pure HHO Brown Gas ignited in a vaccum turns back to water by an implosion from 1800 parts to 1 part ratio (1800:1). In doing so this sudden change at ignition becomes an implosion in a vacuum."

[sparticus]

YouTube - HHO Explosion and Implosion
YouTube - Implosion of HHO
YouTube - 4 Stroke Conversion to HHO Implosion 2 Stroke Explained (3)
from the last one "Pure HHO Brown Gas ignited in a vaccum turns back to water by an implosion from 1800 parts to 1 part ratio (1800:1). In doing so this sudden change at ignition becomes an implosion in a vacuum."

great video, i didn't know that! Now i have to think!

[Matthew Jones]

That is still not implosion even though the explosion caused a vacuum.

Cloxxi said it. The gas is expanded. When recombine it to water with an explosion it's displacement is negative therefore in a sealed chamber creates back pressure.

Put gasoline in a Poly Propylene bottle and set the bottle in the sun until you have fumes. Then do the same thing. Its displacement is higher prior to being burned. Thats why they use mist in an engine.

True implosion of hydrogen atom would cause an atomic reaction. It would be some what bigger of a bang than that.


Matt

[Cloxxki]

From what I've seen the past month on videos and posts, once HHO has exploded, it will be hard to keep it from imploding. Better make very good use of that.
Steam is so "expensive" when you look at it in mass. Boil some eggs. Takes 6 minutes of boiling the water in the pan. At the end, and remember you're using like 1000W or something tot 10+mins total, how much water did you turn into steam? Most of the water is still there actually.
With an unlimited supply of steam like living in Iceland, yeah, I'd use it to run implosion-specific lineair drive engines.

Cloudseeder proposes an engine that injects liquid air into the chamber of steam, for a more implosive return to liquid water. I again think of the "price" of liquid air. If I'd get a free delivery of 2 liters of it every day, sure I'd use it to boost my steam implosion engine. Without the free supply of fuel, it's just men tinkering with loud engines.

There is a solution out there to run our cars and houses on water, but it's bound to be a bit more complicated, unfortunately.

[Matthew Jones]

There is a solution out there to run our cars and houses on water, but it's bound to be a bit more complicated, unfortunately.

I would have to say its in dumping the oxygen from your mix. Just use the Hydrogen or a closer ratio of O and H.
But so far I have yet to see anybody attempt to build the manifold to do it.

Matt

[sparticus]

U guys are most helpful.. I did some research

This is what I found from Wikipedia. I was thinking to modify water instead of using steam to make it easily combustible. Tell me what u think! I typed in your basic rubbing alcohol, and it contains most of the ingredients for combustion.

on Wiki. i typed in Isopropyl alcohol and it gave me:
Being a secondary alcohol, isopropyl alcohol can be oxidized to acetone, which is the corresponding ketone. This can be achieved using oxidizing agents such as chromic acid, or by dehydrogenation of isopropyl alcohol over a heated copper catalyst:

(CH3)2CH-OH → (CH3)2CO + H2

I was thinking i needed at least a copper sparkplug tip to achieve this equation in combustion. Ergo, burning the H2 gas and acetone in a rapid combustion at the same time. I am assuming that if I sprayed atomized tap water in the combustion chamber with it as well, the electrolysis affect will kick in also aiding the separation of water into H2 gas, from it.

I know this is far reached and i'm not a scientist that can calculate the right doses but my goal is basically add a small amount rubbing alcohol to a mass of quantity of tapp water. Spray this into the sparkplug and see what happens!

[Matthew Jones]

That well may work I wouldn't have any idea but the problem is running the engine. If the residue or emission from burning is a high alkaline or low acidic you'll get alot of corrosion in your cylinder. Not to mention the acetone or emmisions may or may not break down your engines oil.

Of course you going to trying it outside the engine at first so make sure to PH test the emissions and see where you stand.

Cheers

[sparticus]

thanks man

That well may work I wouldn't have any idea but the problem is running the engine. If the residue or emission from burning is a high alkaline or low acidic you'll get alot of corrosion in your cylinder. Not to mention the acetone or emmisions may or may not break down your engines oil.

Of course you going to trying it outside the engine at first so make sure to PH test the emissions and see where you stand.

Cheers

i am assembling the driver coil circuit now for the spark plug, and will attempt to play around with this, and if anyone else have some good insight, please let me know. i'm hoping the acetone will completely combust in the process so no acetone residue will be left. Maybe i'm too naive!

[sparticus]

OH NO!...lol.. glad i did research before starting, i just found out acetone attacks and eat the rubber gaskets inside your engine..so ignore this idea guys.. acetone is bad for your engine

[Vickers]

There is no rubber inside a combustion chamber Sparticus. I like your idea. I suggest adding a dash of electrolyte as well. Glycerin would work. Or vinegar baking soda ...depends on your spark output and gap.