Closed-Loop Electrolyser

[iquant]

Proof of concept at this stage is to induce the NaOH separation / Na H20 reaction. Lets focus on the magnetic induction piece of this puzzle and see if bubbles can be replicated. Maybe use common commercially available products for consistent replications.

Induction Lighting

"Induction lamps require a correctly matched electronic ballast for proper operation. The ballast takes the incoming mains AC voltage [or DC voltage in the case of 12V and 24V ballasts] and rectifies it to DC. Solid state circuitry then converts this DC current to a very high frequency which is between 2.65 and 13.6 MHz depending on lamp design."

Do we not have a DC problem?

What frequency? 2.65, 13.56 or 250Khz

Internal self ballasted or External-coil Induction Lamps?

How about using an Induction Hot Plate?
Litz wire is used to reduce the skin effect and proximity effect losses coils.


$59 Hot Plate

"In each of the electronics modules, the 240V, 60Hz domestic line power was converted to between 20V and 200V of continuously variable DC by a phase-controlled rectifier. That DC power was in turn converted to 27 kHz AC by two arrays of six paralleled Motorola automotive-ignition transistors in a half-bridge configuration driving a series-resonant LC oscillator, of which the inductor component was the induction-heating coil and its load, the cooking pan."

[RAMSET]

Iquant
Nothing like a man that takes the Bull by the horns!

Thank you Brother
Chet

[Vickers]

You may already have an induction heater in your house.

ie a glass topped stove/cooker.

Now all u need is a beaker or a glass saucepan, or a plastic cup or a drinking glass, or a paper cup etc.. Non conductive vessel!
Half fill with with sodium hydroxide solution and turn on full.
Nothing happens.
Add a stainless teaspoon to the mix and try again.

[iquant]

Any ideas on disabling the Safety circuits?

7-Point Safety System

Beyond a flameless & cool to the touch cooking surface, Fagor’s built-in induction cooktops are also equipped with the following important safety features:

* Overflow Safety: Stops the cooktop if food is spilled over the touch controls
* Cookware Detection: The cooktop will switch off automatically if no cookware is placed on it within one minute
* Small Utensil Safety: Surface will not activate unless the pan placed on the cooktop is at least 5" in diameter
* Anti-Overheating: Disables temperature at 575 F
* In case of improper electrical connection, the cooktop is automatically protected

You may already have an induction heater in your house.

ie a glass topped stove/cooker.

Now all u need is a beaker or a glass saucepan, or a plastic cup or a drinking glass, or a paper cup etc.. Non conductive vessel!
Half fill with with sodium hydroxide solution and turn on full.
Nothing happens.
Add a stainless teaspoon to the mix and try again.

[Vickers]

They have a thermal cut off switch. Coil gets to hot it cuts off.
All these safety features boil down to a thermal switch.
Fool proof.
U can balance the reaction by adjusting the simmerstat

[Vickers]

Cool experiment... but same result. Energy loss.

[Vickers]

Wanna get real. Go over unity...etc...Look at that big hot shiny thing in the sky. What is its primary fuel source? Why does it not burn out? What is the secret? why does it burn continually? Why is mankind more interested in weird reality TV shows?
Simple answer. Hydrogen will burn hot/react enough with earth metals to create a self sustaining flame/temperature.
Any issues with this? Ask the sun.

[Vickers]

ie the classic youtube video where hydrogen sublimates tungsten? And a brick.Twice the heat required for water split. And its real. Not magic. The most common element we have.

[iquant]

All we are after at this stage is to simply determine if NaOH can be magnetically induced into a chemical reaction.



Maybe placing a plastic container containing the saturated solution in the field along side of the frying pan may do the trick.
If it works it should gas out and be easily replicated.



These induction cook tops operate at a fixed frequency with variable power further limiting variables.

A 50% saturated NaOH solution requires substantially higher temperature than water to be boiled off.

Boiling Point: 10% = 105C (221F); 30% = 115C (239F); 50% solution = 140C (284F).
Melting Point: 10% = -10C (14 F); 30% = 1C (34F); 50% = 12C (53.6F).

Just a simple litmus test. Can anyone get it to gas out at < 140C?

[iquant]

Farrah Day,

What's your take on:

"Sorry to revive a bit of an old post... but I think I may have come up with the balanced equations that FarrahDay was after.

They are redox reactions, with three steps:

Na plus H+ --> Na+ plus H (H bubbles out of solution as a monatomic gas molecule)

Na+ plus OH- --> Na plus H+ plus O plus e- (O bubbles out of solution)

e- plus Na plus H2O --> Na+ plus OH- plus H+


As for the source of electrons that FarrahDay was talking about, I believe that there is no external source.

Just as in conventional electrolysis where the electrodes are the electron source, and an electron is taken from one electrode simultaneously as another is given to the other electrode, the Na atom serves as the electrode.

This is the SAME EXACT PROCESS, just on a smaller scale and using a different method of energizing the electrodes. Take a 6 inch sqaure electrode, and size it down to one atom in length. It will work exactly the same as the full size one, just at a much much smaller scale. Now take trillions of trillions of trillions of these electrodes, and that is where we get the extraordinary production of Alaska's cell.

As you can see by the second and third equations, an electron is given up and then it is taken right back. The magnetic field simply catalyzes and provides the activation energy for these reactions."

- Posted by hydrodude12

[RAMSET]

iquant
Thank you very much for your contribution here,

I have what I believe is an induction stove top available for testing
along with a laser thermometer ,the strong salt solution and a safe place to test.
[that would be the blast shield in smoosh's claw]
Tell me what you want done!

Chet

[Farrah Day]

Farrah Day,

What's your take on:

[I][SIZE="2"]"Sorry to revive a bit of an old post... but I think I may have come up with the balanced equations that FarrahDay was after.

They are redox reactions, with three steps:

Na plus H+ --> Na+ plus H (H bubbles out of solution as a monatomic gas molecule)

Na+ plus OH- --> Na plus H+ plus O plus e- (O bubbles out of solution)

e- plus Na plus H2O --> Na+ plus OH- plus H+

Firstly, I don't know where you got the equations above from, but they make no sense to me whatsoever - they don't all even balance! Where does the Na initially come from? No... don't bother, it's really not worth further discussion. Look at the equations I posted earlier in this thread, they at least make some sense - and balance.

I've finished with the AlaskaStar wild goose chase now. No one in their right mind would build such an important device and then take it apart for spares... or whatever story you choose to believe. If AlaskaStar had done as he claimed, he of all people would have known the importance of his discovery, and would never have simply left it alone and gone on to other things. Trust me, it's simply an idea that's never actually being achieved in practice as claimed... it never happened!

There are certainly possibilities here, but whether or not the science will ever add give up it's secrets, only time and experimentation will tell. Kanzuis clearly had something interesting going on, but there has since been no word from Prof. Rustum Roy explaining the chemistry. However, it may be that this was just a skin effect that we were seeing there, with limitations on the dissociation of water front, I don't know.

For those of you that intend to pursue this, could I ask you to start a thread specifically related to it, as my Closed-Loop Electrolyser concept is now getting rather lost with all this other stuff.

Chet, you seem to have missed my point entirely. You won't be able to faithfully replicate AlaskaStars unit because it never existed. It's a Red Herring!

[RAMSET]

Red herring (idiom), a deliberate attempt to divert attention
Red herring (logical fallacy), a deliberate attempt to change a subject or divert an argument


A Red herring ?

I asked you no less than 4 times to post the raw Data from all your "failed attempts"?
This Topic will stay open at Overunity.com until it is "vetted"[W] with a bit more credibility than you offer up Farrah!

And you are always welcome
View the reply at: The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them.
Chet

[iquant]

Sorry Farrah Day,
I had no idea this thread got hijacked.
Appreciate your feed back.

For those of you that intend to pursue this, could I ask you to start a thread specifically related to it, as my Closed-Loop Electrolyser concept is now getting rather lost with all this other stuff.

[Farrah Day]

I asked you no less than 4 times to post the raw Data from all your "failed attempts"?

This Topic will stay open at Overunity.com until it is "vetted" with a bit more credibility than you offer up Farrah!

Ok, that's it, this is becoming tedious now Chet. You're continual optimism and blind faith is now actually beginning to grate on me. If you continue to choose to be so naive and gullible then that's your look-out, but you really need to wake up... or grow up... or both! Just for once, stop living in a fantasy world and open your eyes to, well... reality!

What could you of all people glean from any data I give you? What's the point? Simply get the all the relevant details from your heroes and faithfully replicate it yourself, that way you actually get your own data.

And, you will find that the topic on Hartmann's forum will die a quick death now that AlaskaStar has been outed, and we know that no actual replication details from the post originator will be forthcoming.

A bit more credibility than I offer! Good luck with that, Chet... but, wait... you don't really want credibility, common sense or reason, do you? No, you just want everyone to jump on the band wagon and mindlessly follow the dream. Pathetic!

Oh, and I'm banned from Hartmann's forum.