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  • Bill William’s 5X5 CDGSC Gas splitter dry cell

    Note, *This Work is Copyrighted, but will be declared for release for educational purposes only! Under NO way will this information, construction technique, or design be put into Mass production for monitory gain under any circumstances. If at some point Bill decides to release this design, device layup, etc. for manufacture a limited license will be issued for a set fee & royalties, which will be payable to the designer.*

    The Panacea University is the World’s first “unofficial” OPEN SOURCE University. Panacea’s calls it a University as we teach. This is an educational series covering OPEN SOURCE clean FREE energy technology towards building our children a future. Panacea-BOCAF is a registered non-profit organization, dedicated to educational study and research.


    Bill William’s 5X5 CDGSC Gas splitter dry cell
    http://www.panaceauniversity.org/5X5...upport_Doc.pdf
    http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Bil...r_Dry_Cell.pdf
    Main hydroxy PDF (updated)


    Special honorable thanks to Bill Williams for the donation of this design. Bill is one of Panacea’s most respected open source engineers. Please familiarize your selves with the gasket material tutorial and proof of principle video’s available at Bill’s “vipond50" Youtube channel.

    This is cell has been tested to run just like any good series cell does, so that being said .5 amps/ Square inch of exposed surface, that means 12.5 amps @ 13.5 volts brute force or a MMW of 5.6 to 7. So 1.2 litres/minute at that setting for a single stack adding both sides together (800ml of H & 400ml of O). Bill did test the volumes and it works out to be the 2:1 ratio as expect of the water molecule. The bench model produces that base line, so no losses due to its arrangement.

    Bill has pushed this cell to 50 + amps or 4.5 litre/minute and the main thing he was after was to see if there was breaching of the membrane. The efficiency of the cell goes down at I push well above the design limit size.
    The Oxygen side was clean of or clear hydrogen, would support combustion but no popping at all. The H side was pure H and burn lethargic , but needs further testing with special sensors. To test this Bill is building a spectrometer to look at the absorption & emission lines, this should reveal the total and true make up of the gases on outputs. Bill will be looking at emission in the angstroms or millionth of a wave length.

    This is why Bill wrote the specification so tightly, if folks want this level of efficiency they must follow the spec as written, and deviation very likely will cause losses and changes of membrane if a looser weave is utilized will cause breaching. The key to this to allow only electron migration, so a wetted surface will accommodate this (tight weaves). All this being said folks are going to do what they think is right and some well be disappointed and some will be 100% successful.

    NOTE WELL – historic PUBLIC RECORDS on William Rhodes and Yule Brown, as well as Bob Boyce’s info on his first publication by Sterling Allen in 2002 shows that the following U tube video link of the is a plagiarized cell of this design.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZO0knRAfwg
    Avoid this cell as copyright legal laws will apply to this cell. This is nothing more than an art drawing of the Bob Boyce series cell design with these "neutral plates", A copy the D9.pdf shows the original 2005 publication date and copyright, for references to Bob’s and others prior art on series cells that use "neutral plates". Bob Boyce has dated emails from Bill Williams with files showing his flow-through design, and later his gas-splitting adaptation.

    On July 26, 1966, William A. Rhodes filed for U.S. Patent 3,262,872 for an electrolysis production method for oxyhydrogen called, "Apparatus For The Electrolytic Production Of Hydrogen And Oxygen And For The Safe Consumption Thereof."

    Eight years later, in 1974, Yull Brown of Australia would file a similar patent for what is known today as Brown's gas. Even though William A. Rhodes filed his patent 8 years earlier it was Brown who became more well-known for the invention and thus there has been much debate, controversy and even acrimony ever since.

    We all know W. Rhoades & Brown original patents, but Bob developed the first small or low E cell utilizing Neutral plates back 1982. Regarding the cell in the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZO0knRAfwg is all wrong. Sides plates, Adhesive, Membrane, Plate porting etc. The cell may sep most of the two gases, but breaching will going to happen at very low PSI due to the weave of the material, there should be no popping on the oxygen side of the cell, period! if there is then there is breaching of the membrane. Side plate material that he chose will break down and utilizing silicone WOW will create a hell of mess and coat the plates with goo.

    Bill William ran this bench cell at 50 amps + to try to create a breach and have not have a break down yet. The current cell was originally designed to operate at 12.5 amps, so you can see he has really pushed the envelope here. Bill is also working on a Safe Procedure to capture the H component as well as the O so it could be bottled and use for cooking, heating welding etc.

    The Common Duct Cell Gas Splitter design has evolved from the Light Industrial design listed in this document. Bill developed a panel-Gasket that would keep both gas separated during the electrolysis. He called this design out as Ver.1 and found it to viable enough to continue work with it. Ver.2 an upgrade to that design in which Gas breaching was eliminate at tests up to 50+ amps.

    5X5 Gas Splitter Cell Support Document
    1. All Dimensions are in Inches
    2. This drawing pack rpresents a 1N6 Cell Stack. The Cell size can be increased by adding more cell stacks and configuring the Gas Separation panels accordingly to direct the component gas to their respect ports so NO gas mixing will occur.

    Materials
    1. All Stainless components are to be 316L.
    2. All Fittings are speced out to be Nylon or Poly.
    3. Side plates are speced out to be Acrylic or Perplex.
    4. All Thru bolts and fasteners are speced out to 304 SS or Cadmium
    Plate Steel.
    5. In Multi Stack version of this design all Buss bars and fasteners are speced out to be Copper.
    6. Thru Bolt Fasteners insulators are to Nylon tubing sized to just slide over thru bolt shank.
    7. All Gaskets materials are speced out to be 0.065 EDPM sheeting Note: No exceptions!
    8. Panel Separation material is speced out to 100% Rip Stop nylon. This means reinforcing threads as well as the blanket Note Most fabric vender carry this material, but the is MUST be the uncoated variety.
    9. Panel construction adhesive used in this design is "Plumbers GOOP". I have noted NO contamination with this adhesive (DO NOT USE Silicon), is break down and cause leakage and contaminate to device. If these specs are followed or the construction method is altered the device may fail to separate the component gases. Also the operational life of the device will be shorted.

    Bill posted video’s relating to “Proof Of Concept Ver.2-6N3 002.avi” on 1/7/2008 and published it to YouTube on November 4, 2009. On 1/1/2008. He worked up two additional videos explaining the construction technique’s of the panel to this cell. These videos were published to YouTube on 3/9/2010
    6N3 Series Gas splitter Cell
    YouTube - Proof Of Concept Ver2 6N3 005
    Construction
    YouTube - 5X5 GSC Panels 001.avi
    YouTube - 5X5 GSC Panels 002.avi

  • #2
    Building this cell

    Hello,

    I want to build this cell, and need some help. From all the posts you have, I believe you are the right person to ask.

    This cell produces pure Hydrogen Correct?

    I want to put Hydrogen generators on all my cars, and want to start with a 1997 Toyota Land Cruiser. It has a 4.5 L fuel injected engine.

    I have hear (or read) that according to BB you need 1/4 to 1/2 LPM of HHO per Liter of engine displacement. Is that true for pure Hydrogen too?

    I want to build the cell with titanium plates. I saw a video were the cell is a 4X4 and had a -nnn+nnn- setup, where only the negative plates were titanium. Have you seen this.

    I have seen the plans on the Panacea University's web page, but have some questions.

    I would greatly appreciate you help.

    Thanks in advance..


    Hobs

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    • #3
      Hi Hobs

      ?This cell produces pure Hydrogen Correct?

      YES, electrodes should last the life of the membranes according to Bill

      ?I have hear (or read) that according to BB you need 1/4 to 1/2 LPM of HHO per Liter of engine displacement. Is that true for pure Hydrogen too?

      Not known yet my friend i would not go over 20 amps, experiment with 15 first We will have Bills done by Jan and will try and compare, every car is different so i would start with 15 amps and go to 20 and see how you go, any probs let me know

      >I want to build the cell with titanium plates. I saw a video were the cell is a 4X4 and had a -nnn+nnn- setup, where only the negative plates were titanium. Have you seen this.

      YouTube - Mini Titanium Dry Cell


      Ash

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      • #4
        Thanks

        Thanks Ash,

        Where would you suggest I start gathering the materials from? Is it easier to get them off the net or should I be looking locally?


        Thanks


        Hobs

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        • #5
          Hobs are doing well to start from scratch with no experience , we just need 90% of the population to do what you do now LOL

          Okay man as of today i dont know any where YET to get Bill's as a kit, but you can source the kit parts for a dry cells splitter from here
          HHO Fuel Cells & Accessories

          Same concept,they just use different membrane separators, (silkscreen) where Bill uses Nylon Gaskets.Check out the Video's there,Reg has done well to explain them from scratch also, any probs or Q's let me know.

          Ash

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          • #6
            Scratch

            Ash,


            Although I am starting from scratch with the physical pieces I have been on the boards for months. I even have spoken to BB on the phone.

            I saw that you were on this forum and decided it would be easier to have a normal conversation with out all the interference from the rebel rousers on Hydroxy and Water Car.

            I probably have seen every video and website that relates to building a unit. I have come to the conclusion that there was a certain progression to the types of units out there. First there was the mason jar, then water purifiers, then Plexiglas boxes, all of which were immersion type, then came "dry cell" with everyone trying to increase production.

            I didn't want to get into the changing of electronics of the on board computers. Although the Vovo chip seams to be a good one.

            I finally decided that the progression will probably stabilize with the dry cell and titanium plates. As a aftermarket fuel enhancer I think the production rates we will get from these units will be sufficient to increase the mileage and performance to an acceptable level.

            The golden goose I will leave others to chase and plan on concentrating my efforts to a highly dependable unit that my customers will be very happy with.

            I plan to track every one of my units sold and warranty them. I will also offer a rebuild for the unit at a discounted price.

            Thanks for paying attention to the sidelines.



            Hobs

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            • #7
              Hobs thank you for taking the initiative and helping to produce clean air. Let me know if you need any help and please keep me updated,that's why we started the nonprofit org - To help.

              Thanks Hobs

              Ash

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              • #8
                Density of the EPDM

                Hey Ash,

                I found a local (USA) distributor for the materials but need to know the density of the foam.

                It comes in three types...

                Extra Soft Foam
                4-8 lbs./cu. ft. 2-5 (25% Deflection)
                Soft Foam
                4-8 lbs./cu. ft. 5-9 (25% Deflection)
                Firm Foam
                7-11 lbs./cu. ft. 9-13 (25% Deflection)


                Which would be best?


                Also, is Bill encouraging people to build this or am I using copyrighted stuff..


                Thanks


                Hobs

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                • #9
                  1.9 Uncoated Ripstop

                  Ash,

                  Here is a US supplier for the 1.9 UNCOATED RIPSTOP:

                  uncoated fabrics

                  IndianaBoys

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                  • #10
                    Thanks a lot guys, will add all that to the PDF with your credits.Hobs yes you build that's why Bill released it , Bill has open source the method so your free to build and tell others with the terms and conditions , Bill is like the rest of us open source engineers and just does not want vendors making it or selling it with out due credit/remuneration to the open source community.

                    Bill is pretty cool like that.

                    Ash

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                    • #11
                      open source Spectrophotometer

                      Ash,

                      Bill Williams mentions in his YouTube

                      8X8 GSC 1st Run 9-18-2010.3gp

                      that he is also putting together an open source Spectrophotometer that we will be able to build soon.

                      He starts speaking about the spectrophotometer at the 4 minute 50 second mark:

                      YouTube - 8X8 GSC 1st Run 9-18-2010.3gp

                      I believe this tool will be useful in testing different HHO cells electrolyte for Hexavalent Chromium:

                      SOP for Spectrophotometric analysis of Hexavalent Chromium
                      http://h2o.enr.state.nc.us/lab/qa/so..._chromehex.pdf

                      IndianaBoys

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                      • #12
                        Yup thanks Bro he mentioned about that in a recent email should be written up soon and will send to Patrick.Here is a preview of the spec which Bill sent across
                        http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7...1172011008.jpg

                        Here is a rep from Ralph on the GSC still the best open source cell around IMO
                        http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1902/billoc.jpg

                        Ours should be ready in a few weeks will put our emissions tester on it.
                        OPEN SOURCE IS ALIVE

                        Ash

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                        • #13
                          Convert HHO to H2

                          @Ash,

                          A while back I came across a user on youtube.com, named myhydrogencar and also regpye from Australia, are these the same guys?

                          I ordered their plans for separation cells, it was a bit expensive, the CD cost me $80 and inside were only low quality images of the plates, so... I was a "bit" disappointed, but nonetheless I did determine how they do their separation with membranes made from a silkscreening material, and special shims to reinforce the ports.

                          I want to convert my HHO setup... maybe it's just me but I've lost my faith in HHO, honestly... with plasma cutters out nowadays.... the last real use is kind of "dead". That is, cutting. It saved me diesel in my truck but there is SO much more I could do with pure hydrogen, and replacing propane is high on my list. With 1300 watts of solar (often completely wasted to a full bank), I could be collecting hydrogen, instead of wishing HHO compression was a reality, cause it's definitely not.

                          I'll look into this.

                          I got a nice little setup I want to convert, and actually it's about to grow from 21 plates to 58-61 (12v growing up to a 110v)

                          http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2579/mysetupj.jpg


                          PS George Wiseman lives right down the road from me
                          Last edited by kcarring; 01-28-2011, 06:46 AM. Reason: change pic size
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                          • #14
                            Ashley,

                            One more thing. What are your thoughts of running home made solar panels @ 4v (LOTS of amps) - wiring them specially for Electrolysis / Realtime through the PWM as opposed to producing say using 17v, running through a charge controller, then charging a bank - then utilizing 12.6v across cells that involve neutral plates etc... etc.. all to end up with ~1.75-2.3v per cell... What about the concept of throwing live solar voltage right at the cells (read in LARGE cells) ... single stacks in parallel. No neutral plates = 0 current leakage. End plate / pos plate / membrane / neg plate. Get your 316L in available 12" x 12" - no expensive water cutting. With an inline current meter, a small board would open relays to the "permitted" number of cells, as to not spread the current out too thin.

                            Or does it make any difference.

                            I don't know.

                            Just a thought.
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                            • #15
                              Hi M8

                              Okiee

                              >A while back I came across a user on youtube.com, named myhydrogencar and also regpye from Australia, are these the same guys?

                              Yes know them both well my friend,just filmed an emissions test for them and are making a video or them,Bill helped them also , Reg and Peter work together and now have a three tank system which seems to be holing up okay. As far as i know they will be sending u one to test this year.

                              >I did determine how they do their separation with membranes made from a silkscreening material, and special shims to reinforce the ports.

                              Okay check out the UPDATE on their site my friend, they have an improved 3 way system,yeah you need laser cutting for the silkscreen sadly, bill's will use Nylon and needs no laser cutting i think.

                              Now that is a cool looking cell and use of the PC tower man

                              >I could be collecting hydrogen, instead of wishing HHO compression was a reality, cause it's definitely not.

                              Yes but make sure its a splitter and SAFE, Peter is using solar now i think .Will check him for ideas . Say hi to George for us, we met him at Nexus,he is a real nice guy and supportive of our work,was really nice to talk to .

                              This unit would work well with Solar.
                              YouTube - Hydrogen Eggs on Toast
                              I cant see any prob with your solar ideas, but again we are leaning towards HYDROGEN (GSC) not hydroxy,soi guessthe Million dollar Q is. If we use a stack with your solar idea for a GSC,is it going to give us the same benefit with hydroxy (sameamps)

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