Tokyo OU Electrolysis

[Michael John Nunnerley]

No link

Mike,
Can you provide a link for more info?

@Farrah Day
Thanks for clarifying.

thank you,

jeanna

Sorry Jeanna, no link, it was done a long time ago, you need to use a plate electrolyser with a secoundry tank and you pump the thick water around the cell and through the secoundry tank and back again to the electrolyser until you have maximum concentration of gas in the thick water.

Takes time depending on the production of the cell, but, it is a way of storing gas when it is not required and can be used later, great with solar or wind.

The design is mine and has existed for 20 years and I freely give the information for private use and not commercial use, you have been warned.

Mike

[Farrah Day]

Sorry Jeanna, no link, it was done a long time ago, you need to use a plate electrolyser with a secoundry tank and you pump the thick water around the cell and through the secoundry tank and back again to the electrolyser until you have maximum concentration of gas in the thick water.
Mike

But how do you get the gas out of this 'thick water' when you actually need the gas?

Sounds like flammable jelly to me!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Quite simple

But how do you get the gas out of this 'thick water' when you actually need the gas?

Sounds like flammable jelly to me!

YOU WARM IT

Mike

[ElektroPR]

This Invention is really amazing!!!!!

His discovery is quite impresive and must be used in any attempt to produce energy by braking water. I don't think his trying to do overunity or increase the efficiency, in fact he just avoid some problems related to the process of breaking water. I believe that any water breaking method has 2 fundamental problems:

1. Storage: Storing HHO gas is quite dificult because the HH part(atoms) of the HHO combine into H2 molecule and is so small that it fits through the space (interstitial spaces) that is between the atoms (of the material use for the container) on a unit cell or molecules of the container. This process is also known as diffusion. H is the smallest atom, it consist of 1 proton and 1 neutron while oxygen is alot bigger and consist of 16 atom and protons. In order to avoid the H2 part of the gas to escape you must break the water in to parts that does not create H2 at all. I'm no expert but I believe that when he refers to oxy-hydrogen, he is talking about HO, a molecule compose of 1 Hydrogen Atom and 1 Oxygen Atom. I still have my doubts about this and I don't understand how this is possible. If it's true, then is more difficult(not impossible) that this HO could escape a container because the H is attach to a big fellow called O and O is too big(remember difficult, not impossible) to fit between interstitial spaces in a cell unit. If we combine his technology with the suposedly OU Electrolysers, we could get the best of both worlds, Free Energy and easier handling of the Gas.

2.Stability: I believe he state that HO Gas is more stable than HHO gas. Again, if this is true, this could avoid accidents (Explosion, fires) when handling the gas.


If somebody believe and know that HO can not be created and only HHO is possible, please explain it because I would like to know. Thanks.

[Vickers]

Dr. Emoto knows a lot about water.
This vibrating "stirrer" simply shakes of the hydrogen and oxygen before it can accumulate to form a slow moving bubble.
Its brilliant.
I remember a few HHO booster cell enthusiasts would bolt their cells directly to the engine block to take advantage of the vibration to achieve a similar effect.
Anyway Here's a link to his site. He is kinda like a Japanese Schauberger. Very interesting guy. OFFICE MASARU EMOTO

[IndianaBoys]

Dr. Emoto knows a lot about water.
This vibrating "stirrer" simply shakes of the hydrogen and oxygen before it can accumulate to form a slow moving bubble.
Its brilliant.
I remember a few HHO booster cell enthusiasts would bolt their cells directly to the engine block to take advantage of the vibration to achieve a similar effect.
Anyway Here's a link to his site. He is kinda like a Japanese Schauberger. Very interesting guy. OFFICE MASARU EMOTO

If memory serves, John Aarons and Zero Fossil Fuel had tested something similar?

IndianaBoys

[Farrah Day]

His discovery is quite impresive and must be used in any attempt to produce energy by braking water. I don't think his trying to do overunity or increase the efficiency, in fact he just avoid some problems related to the process of breaking water. I believe that any water breaking method has 2 fundamental problems:

1. Storage: Storing HHO gas is quite dificult because the HH part(atoms) of the HHO combine into H2 molecule and is so small that it fits through the space (interstitial spaces) that is between the atoms (of the material use for the container) on a unit cell or molecules of the container. This process is also known as diffusion. H is the smallest atom, it consist of 1 proton and 1 neutron while oxygen is alot bigger and consist of 16 atom and protons. In order to avoid the H2 part of the gas to escape you must break the water in to parts that does not create H2 at all. I'm no expert but I believe that when he refers to oxy-hydrogen, he is talking about HO, a molecule compose of 1 Hydrogen Atom and 1 Oxygen Atom. I still have my doubts about this and I don't understand how this is possible. If it's true, then is more difficult(not impossible) that this HO could escape a container because the H is attach to a big fellow called O and O is too big(remember difficult, not impossible) to fit between interstitial spaces in a cell unit. If we combine his technology with the suposedly OU Electrolysers, we could get the best of both worlds, Free Energy and easier handling of the Gas.

2.Stability: I believe he state that HO Gas is more stable than HHO gas. Again, if this is true, this could avoid accidents (Explosion, fires) when handling the gas.


If somebody believe and know that HO can not be created and only HHO is possible, please explain it because I would like to know. Thanks.

With respect, I think you're way off the mark with this post.

Firstly as already pointed out this is not a discovery - people have been doing this for donkeys years.

The only difference to any other common duct electrolyser is that he is shaking the gases off the electrodes as they form, thereby producing smaller bubbles.

Hydrogen does not have a neutron, it is a single proton with and electron.

The term HHO as adopted by many electrolyser experimenters is misleading as it indicates 2 hydrogen atoms to every 1 oxygen atom, and while proportionally correct, the greater amount of the gases are molecular, not atomic as the term HHO suggests.

Atomic hydrogen and atomic oxygen are by there very nature higher energy and more unstable than in molecular form.

Why would an HO molecule form? The valancies of neither atom are satisfied. This makes no sense, the atoms would simply pair up to the more stable molecular form.

If vibrating does anything to enhance efficiency it is just removing the gases off the electrodes faster so that the bubbles formed do not hinder further reaction at the electrodes.

I'm really failing to see why anyone is at all amazed by Ohmasa... he's yet another person to reinvent the wheel!

[ElektroPR]

With respect, I think you're way off the mark with this post.

Firstly as already pointed out this is not a discovery - people have been doing this for donkeys years.

The only difference to any other common duct electrolyser is that he is shaking the gases off the electrodes as they form, thereby producing smaller bubbles.

Hydrogen does not have a neutron, it is a single proton with and electron.

The term HHO as adopted by many electrolyser experimenters is misleading as it indicates 2 hydrogen atoms to every 1 oxygen atom, and while proportionally correct, the greater amount of the gases are molecular, not atomic as the term HHO suggests.

Atomic hydrogen and atomic oxygen are by there very nature higher energy and more unstable than in molecular form.

Why would an HO molecule form? The valancies of neither atom are satisfied. This makes no sense, the atoms would simply pair up to the more stable molecular form.

If vibrating does anything to enhance efficiency it is just removing the gases off the electrodes faster so that the bubbles formed do not hinder further reaction at the electrodes.

I'm really failing to see why anyone is at all amazed by Ohmasa... he's yet another person to reinvent the wheel!

I agree with you about HO molecule being impossible to form , but if this is just a simple electrolyser that adds vibration to avoid bubbles, how is that avoiding bubbles helps to prevent this oxi-hydrogen gas from escaping the containers?

[Farrah Day]

I agree with you about HO molecule being impossible to form , but if this is just a simple electrolyser that adds vibration to avoid bubbles, how is that avoiding bubbles helps to prevent this oxi-hydrogen gas from escaping the containers?

I do not know the answer to this - I don't think anyone does. However, the common concensus is that the oxygen acts as some kind of buffer.

But what I was pointing out is that this phenomenon is not new either. William Rhodes found this to be the case in experiments he conducted decades ago.

There really is nothing new of note... hence, I can't see what all the excitement is about.

It seems to me that the hype has been created by people that know nothing of the existence of past patents or indeed are not aware of past research. Pretty pathetic really when you consider these are educated people that should know better. I mean, he only has to google it!

[Farrah Day]

LOL ..Faraday...... You know just as well as I do the google is pathetic/weak/a joke/ compared to a local public library. Early days though. A few more years might right a few wrongs. Or maybe not. Might have to use a little common sense in the mean time. But unfortunately... damage has been initiated and therefore sustained by this ummmmm techno liability. Good porn though. LOL

Are you trying to say that scientists are unaware of the research of other scientists because they can't be arsed doing any background research into the very subject they are pursuing?

On the contrary a google search will throw up things a lot faster than the public library... and often things too obscure to be found in public libraries.

I wonder if Ohmasa has heard of Michael Faraday?

[Vickers]

I wonder if Ohmasa has heard of Michael Faraday?

LOL. Probably not. Have you heard of Shunpei Yamazaki?
Top US Patent Holder is Legendary Japanese Inventor Shunpei Yamazaki | Impact Lab

[ashtweth]

I was impressed to see that he had liquified the HHO !!

IMHO he uses normal electrolysis, as he says, but with his vibrating device he reduces the gases to small nanobubbles that makes the HHO mix stable.

Amazing old man ! What a nice lab he has !

Did Meyers vibrate his tubes through resonance or making them "sing" hmmm

[Farrah Day]

Did Meyers vibrate his tubes through resonance or making them "sing" hmmm

I'm not sure about singing, but he did a lot of nonsensical yapping!