A WARNING to all working with PLASMA

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

It occurred to me recently that the use of ANY plasma (including a simple spark gap) is VERY DANGEROUS to life if not precisely controlled and/or shielded.

If you don't know the frequency and the geometric formation of the plasma, and other such characteristics, you have no idea what kind of RADIATION it is giving off.

As a welder, I realize I may have to contend with SKIN CANCER and/or other such things.
A user of a SPARK GAP is at just as high a risk.

I've read of inventors who had ended up battling cancer due to the radiation they worked with.

If you don't believe me, then make an open-air plasmoid in your microwave (I pray you don't).
I did this once and NEVER will do it again. As a welder, I'm familiar with a small discomforting sensation in my brain each time an arc is struck. With a few seconds exposure to a plasmoid in a microwave (even with the shielding in the window) I felt that discomfort in my head for nearly half an hour after the experiment, at an intensity at least 10 times greater than any welding arc.

Not to mention the obvious danger to the eyes.

Shield all discharges with LEAD and/or ALUMINUM!

BE SAFE!




EDIT: And I'm sure you all are aware of the REAL and EXTREME DANGER of artificial MAGNETIC FIELDS.



****This is why the Egyptian Hieroglyphs depicted the operators of their devices clad in metal. They shielded their vital organs and had other metal to effectively act as a Faraday Cage.****

[WeThePeople]

Thank you for starting this "Observation" topic.

But plasma, although it be beautiful, will always be lethal.

The waveforms from it pass without resistance through faraday shields.

I am persuing plasma from water as example,
the tests I have done outside of a combustion chamber
pass right through my benches faraday cage
and screw with all electronics in my house.

So what I am saying is,
you can't block it.

so choose wisely.

Now the whole spark verses arc thing,
thats another dilemma

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

Have you shielded it? With dual or triple layer aluminum or lead?
I only mentioned a Faraday Cage because that's what I believe the "jewelry" was used for. Obviously it would only protect against discharges.

And I wonder what made RIFE's plasma therapy different. Perhaps the combination of ONLY a KNOWN SAFE ionized gas, and safe frequencies?

[anut]

Have you heard of anything called potassium iodide?

[Farrah Day]

Just wondered where you got this from?

****This is why the Egyptian Hieroglyphs depicted the operators of their devices clad in metal. They shielded their vital organs and had other metal to effectively act as a Faraday Cage.****

Curious, what is it that you think the ancient Egyptians were doing in order to require the protection of Faraday cages?

You don't consider that it is just armour to protect them from something as mundane as say... swords?

[romerouk]

We all know that plasma including SG is dangerous but one question raises:
Tesla played with them all his life and had a long life, how comes?

[thedude]

Its variable

Speaking from my own experience I have found plasma arcs or even just simple spark gaps can cause the very sudden on set of intense head aches. I frequently experience head aches regardless so it is easy for me to dismiss them as ordinary.

I have a oscillator that when tuned to fire a disruptive discharge spark gap at just the right frequency, will cause me to develop the head ache unusually fast. As combing through a wide range of frequencies is part of my passion for resonance, I've experienced this phenomenon a number of times.

As I usually test for optimal efficiency at all times when possible, I generally am only running up to 36 watts DC current at most times when working with my experimental apparatus. A lot of time i am literally leaning in to feel the frequency with the skin of my face, while learning to balance the impedance levels across the banks of my circuit! (im being honest)

My feelings are that the EM field displacement, with the current levels that i'm experimenting with, are quite limited. I can light a 15watt U-shaped CFL bulb within a 9" radius of a small 6" tall tesla air coil transformer that displays 1/4" purple radiant strikes at the best of times. I hook this small tesla coil in series with my spark gap to visualize what i'm working with as a function of radiant potential.

Anyway I hope i'm not causing radiation poisoning. I don't think that i am. I prefer to believe that the radiation i'm creating will modify my DNA (and that of my cat) to help evolve my physical being! :P JK!

But seriously, I do have some concerns. Thats my story. Thanks for listening.

[EgmQC]

Personally i use a Gas Discharge Tube instead of Spark Gap , less power lost and easy to control the frequency with a RC network. So no toxic fume from the SG with my tesla coil or other experiment using spark gap.The good thing its it doesn't cost more than a high quality spark gap, GAS DISCHARGE - "KRYPTON" TUBE #0729-10Kr on eBay.ca (item 380180356988 end time 20-Jun-10 01:12:09 EDT)

Best Regards,
EgmQC

Edit: Its what Eric Dollard recommend to use in his "Intro to tesla transformer" for a higher efficiency

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

Do you think a xenon flash tube, or a series of them from disposable cameras would work well? Maybe magnetically quenched?

[EgmQC]

Do you think a xenon flash tube, or a series of them from disposable cameras would work well? Maybe magnetically quenched?

No that wont work, there a max pulse per second for the Xenon flash tube and there a limited use, after X flash(usually about 5000) it wont work anymore.

Best Regards,
EgmQC

Edit: here a datasheet of a Xenon tube, you see the max flash and the max pulse per minute: http://www.mouser.com/catalog/specsheets/093603.pdf

[sucahyo]

Anyone ever heard Tesla Violet Ray? It is used to cure people.

Anyone doubt Tesla health at old age?

Since it is has possible uses for health I think the suddennes of driver input is very important to ensure that the plasma produce healing effect instead of lethal effect.

This is why I think device that do not use exact Tesla oscillator spesification may actually dangerous for health. And since no one care enough about it, I think we can consider many plasma generator to be dangerous. The article I post above mention that modern build is less pleasant. A sign that teh maker now nothing about Tesla healthy oscillator requirement.

The radiation called orgone by Dollard, called odyle by Vassilatos, called Walter russel life energy by Bedini. They believe it is not EM wave.

I doubt a metal can shield the radiation completely. Grounded faraday shield may be useless for this kind of radiation. Just like what Tesla found out that glass and copper can not shield it. I am proposing a sandwitch of wood and metal.

I think the radiation that cause headache shown the driving circuit poor switching.

What SuperCaviTationIstic and thedude feels from the spark gap is called deadly orgone or positive odyle. Their effect inclue naussea, headache, skin rashes, agitated emotion, etc.

When you increase the circuit switching suddenness, it change to life orgone or negative odyle. Their effect is soothing, more concentration and calm state of mind.

If you believe Nikola Tesla or Gerry Vassilatos are not scam then remember this quote from Lost Science:

He reported that this experience was not unpleasant, but realized that proper "electro-dosages" would necessarily have to be determined by medical personnel. During this time, Tesla found shorter impulse lengths where the heating effect disappeared altogether, rendering the radiance absolutely harmless. These impulse trains were so very high that the deepest nerves of one's body could not sense the permeating radiant energy field. Now he could pursue his vision of broadcast energy systems without fear of rendering to humanity a technological curse, rather than a true blessing.

I strongly believe that impulse length have no relation with frequency.

Since I doubt anyone can do things as good as Tesla today. Confirmed by many report of headache around spark, joule thief, or SEC. All device utilizing switching must have warning sign of DOR radiation.

[EgmQC]

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What SuperCaviTationIstic and thedude feels from the spark gap is called deadly orgone or positive odyle. Their effect inclue naussea, headache, skin rashes, agitated emotion, etc.

When you increase the circuit switching suddenness, it change to life orgone or negative odyle. Their effect is soothing, more concentration and calm state of mind.

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I think its more the Ozone and Nitrogen Oxides from the SG that make this problem.

Best Regards,
IceStorm

[EgmQC]

Nitrogen Oxides Hazard: Nitrous Oxide

Ozone Hazard : http://www.coronasupplies.co.uk/down...20Measures.pdf

[sucahyo]

Ozone and Nox can be shielded with glass or any air isolation.

Lol, just when I am about to post this, cure tumor with ozone maker...:

By Andrija Puharich.

We have to choose side .

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

I agree that the effects could be either healing or destructive, but until one completely understands what they are working with, care must be taken to avoid dangerous radiation. I still cite my experience with the microwave plasmoid. It was a terrible feeling I got when I was exposed to it, and welding is known to increase the risk of certain cancers.