Stan Meyers Secret, Preventing Electrolysis.

[ourbobby]

Update: I just edited the stuff over at peswiki about Gray:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Hi there Lamare,
are you familiar with the work of Mark McKay? I would guess that he would be the foremost authority on the whole Gray thing. If you are not, then I would google him and you will come up with a portfolio that he regularly updates with new progress and information. It should be easy to track down. There might even be a copy in the Energetic archives. I am not doubting your knowledge. I shall upload the file I have for you if you are not familiar with it. Just let me know.

Regards

Rob

[lamare]

Hi there Lamare,
are you familiar with the work of Mark McKay?

Some of it, yes.

If you can get a hold of him, you may want to direct him to my article.
He can PM me on the forum, if he wishes, or you can send him my email address, which you can find in my personal page here on the forum.

[ourbobby]

Some of it, yes.

If you can get a hold of him, you may want to direct him to my article.
He can PM me on the forum, if he wishes, or you can send him my email address, which you can find in my personal page here on the forum.

Hi there lamare,
this is my last post for a few days. going away for a tech free weekend - so the wife states!

The main file for Gray you should be looking for is "McKay Technology". Its about 5 meg so is too large for an upload.

Regarding Marks contact I haven't been in touch with him for a month or so. My understanding is his work commitments are quite heavy. I am not sure when I shall be next in touch with him. When I have something "new" to discuss I suppose.

He does occasionally post on several forums so you might pick him up there. Especially if you have something "interesting" to acknowledge about the Gray Motor!

regards

rob

[lamare]

Looks like I made a mistake with Meyers. He used half wave resonance just like Puharich. I got confused because he used a single diode, which suggests the other coil is at signal ground, which is not the case....

[HairBear]

Signal ground? Where would that be in a virtual ground circuit or Stan's VIC?

[lamare]

Signal ground? Where would that be in a virtual ground circuit or Stan's VIC?

Exactly what I meant to say. The way Stans schematic is drawn confused me.

Once again I'm loosing sleep over this. It's 3:00 in the morning now and this keeps on going trough my mind. I'm beginning to think that you don't have to drive the load train in resonance, but you need the zero current, so you do need an inductive load train.

As long as the frequency of the rectified carrier wave is high enough and you use a high pass filter, then you should be able to drive the load with any signal you like.

But have to give this more thought.

What would happen if you would take Doc's SEC circuit, switch that on/off at 50 Hz and drive the HV primary of a tf with that, trough a couple cap and an AV plug?

[Slovenia]

Thanks for working late!!

Hi Lamare,

Thanks for working later and also for trying to figure out the tough questions for all of us.

I'll add your last 2 updates to the pdf files also.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Exactly what I meant to say. The way Stans schematic is drawn confused me.

Once again I'm loosing sleep over this. It's 3:00 in the morning now and this keeps on going trough my mind. I'm beginning to think that you don't have to drive the load train in resonance, but you need the zero current, so you do need an inductive load train.

As long as the frequency of the rectified carrier wave is high enough and you use a high pass filter, then you should be able to drive the load with any signal you like.

But have to give this more thought.

What would happen if you would take Doc's SEC circuit, switch that on/off at 50 Hz and drive the HV primary of a tf with that, trough a couple cap and an AV plug?

[HairBear]

What would happen if you would take Doc's SEC circuit, switch that on/off at 50 Hz and drive the HV primary of a tf with that, trough a couple cap and an AV plug?

Are you implying that you want to input a 50Hz signal to the SEC? And then the output of the SEC into a transformer? I'm not to clear on what you are asking. Maybe you could draw us a quick diagram, if you so kindly would.

Is this the diagram you were confused about?

[lamare]

Are you implying that you want to input a 50Hz signal to the SEC? And then the output of the SEC into a transformer? I'm not to clear on what you are asking. Maybe you could draw us a quick diagram, if you so kindly would.

First a note to keep in the back of our minds. While looking for Doc's circuit, I came across this post. :
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post53615

And as for your question: Yes, that's what I was thinking. Of course, it doesn't have to be 50 Hz, you can vary the frequency all you like.

So, here's two images with Doc's circuit:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post53565

There are multiple versions, this one needs an adjustable coil. IIRC, there is also one which does not need that and is tuned with a variable cap. So, based on this one, you find the schematic attached which I had in mind. I didn't draw all the decoupling caps, etc. but you get the idea. Just switch it on and off using a 555 timer or something like that. If this SEC circuit starts fast enough, I think this should work.

I also drew a comparison with what Gray was more or less doing, so you can see the similarities. If I finally understand this right, with Gray's stuff, you would need a bifilar wound coil or two identical coils in series (as you see with Meyer and Puharich, but for different reasons), because he drives both terminals in phase. With an AV plug, you should not need a bifilar wound primary, so this should work.

Gray used a spark gap oscillator and this is also an oscillator, but one that is much easier to build, tune and control. And because of the ultra wide bandwidth of Doc's circuit, this is about as close as you can get to a real spark gap oscillator with modern electronics.

I have drawn the couple cap before the AV plug, but it may be that you need two couple caps and place them after the AV plug, more or less as I have shown with the Gray equivalent.

So, it will be interesting to experiment with this circuit and make your own variations. It is very similar to what Gray did and with this we will at least get some answers to some of the questions that remain. And with a bit of luck, we hit the jackpot straight away.

So, have fun and happy hunting to all of you!

Is this the diagram you were confused about?

Yes. I should have taken a better look.


Update: I have updated my peswiki article:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Based on my analysis of the systems built and demonstrated by Gray, Meyer and Puharich, I came to the conclusion that the basic principle is that you decouple load circuitry from driving circuitry in an unusual way, using a rectified carrier wave. By making sure that any frequencies the load circuitry may create are much lower than the carrier frequency, you separate the frequency bands wherein driving circuit and load circuitry are operating. Once you have done that, you can use a simple high pass filter to completely decouple load circuitry from driving circuitry in that sense that virtually no current goes back and forth between driving circuitry and load circuitry. So it's in essence a separation in the frequency domain combined with a high-pass filter.


The basic theory for this is Tom Bearden's "don't kill the dipole" as described in this article. Basic conclusion of that: the electric field comes for free. Potential (voltage) comes for free as long as you don't influence the charge carriers that create your dipole, your voltage source. In the analysed systems, they all excite two inductive loads in series. Gray excited both terminals of the load train in phase, while Puharich and Meyer did this out of phase. This explains why Gray most likely used bifilar wound coils. To understand the basic principle, it is perhaps best to think in the line I have been following towards the solution of this mistery, which is as follows.

When you resonate an open coil in full wave resonance, you get high voltage, zero current at the terminals, in phase. So there you have the basic connection to using the voltage source for free, but you have to figure out a way to do that without disturbing the charge carriers that give you the voltage source.

However, with a single coil, the current stays inside the coil, so you can't use that. So, when you split the coil into two, you get the current in the middle for free, provided you don't disturb your voltage source, your driving circuit. So normally, when you use the current, you will disturb the resonance, which will eventually also disturb your driving circuit (because it is somehow coupled with it), so you still have to provide current to keep the system in resonance and pay the price.

And here's the trick: the driving signal is delivered to the coil on top of a half rectified carrier wave, which is fed into the circuit trough a high pass filter. Because the carrier is half rectified, you basically "touch" the coils into one direction, so you don't get any HF in there.

That way, you get the current and the power, but the disturbances caused by using the power, cannot reach the driving circuit, because of the high pass filter! And then you finally got what you want. You can use your voltage source, without disturbing it, so then you don't have to pay the price.

Once you have that clear, you can also imagine that you can drive this principle much further. As long as you make sure you have a proper decoupling between driving circuitry and load circuitry, you can most likely get by without driving the load train into resonance after all. At this moment, this still has to be experimentally verified.

If you would want do go beyond what these three did, the final trick would be to drive two identical loads in opposite phase, so the whole system is perfectly in balance and in resonance.

Update 2: You may find this schematic inspiring:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108704

Update 3: I have uploaded the pdfs with my sketches as well as the summaries of my posts kindly provided by Slovenia to:
Bestandsoverzicht van /pdf/
You may also want to check the audio library I got my hands on some time ago, which contains a.o. interviews with Andrija Puharich, Royal Rife, John Bedini and Tom Bearden:
Bestandsoverzicht van /audio/Open_Mind_with_Bill_Jenkins/

Update 4: Someone mailed me a copy of WO2008103130A1 by Tariel Kapanadze and said it has many similarities with my theory:
espacenet — Bibliographic data
This is also being discussed here: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze. Haven't studied the patent yet.

[Slovenia]

Thanks

Lamare, Thanks so much for the circuit diagrams.

[sebosfato]

Hello man

You should also remember that in resistive material the electrons need to flow at high speed for a voltage difference due to the small amount of free electrons.

I think stan used electric field only as a force to accelerate electrons, than used a source of electrons, a degenerated semiconductor like water with relaxation time allowing to charge it with only potential than discharging it when the conduction band was achieved. The inglorious electron extraction effect into a load releasing the gas. For this he used resonance of the space time as from ECE unified theory.

[SeaMonkey]

Update 2: You may find this schematic inspiring:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108704

Your contributions to the forum are very well
done lamare! Many thanks for your numerous
documents and resources - you are doing a
great service for the experimenter community.

Regarding your circuit diagram above. It is possible
to increase the efficiency of the circuit by simply
adding a capacitor across the 51 K base bias resistor.
The capacitor should be from 0.001 uF to 0.1 uF and
the experimenter will want to try several different
values to make comparisons.

The capacitor will couple the high frequency component
of the switching waveform more effectively to the
transistor base and this will enhance its switching
speed. The result will be more output with less input
power wasted as heat.

The turns ratio data on the transformer is good. It is
very wise to use fewer turns for the feedback winding (L2)
to the base of the transistor. More turns in the feedback
winding will be required for the low voltage operation; fewer
turns for the higher voltage operation.

To make the circuit work well at 1.0 ~ 1.5 Volts it may
be necessary to use 30 to 35 turns in the feedback
winding.

It is difficult to make this sort of Blocking Oscillator
circuit function well over a broad range of input voltages.

It is very easy to "optimize" the number of turns in the
feedback winding (L2) for a specific narrow range of
input voltage.

Another thing which may be necessary for low voltage
operation is to reduce the resistance of the base bias
resistor from 51 K to approximately 2.2 K Ohms.

For lower voltage operation less resistance will be needed
in the base circuit. And more capacitance.

To determine the most effective value of base resistance
use a variable resistor initially and adjust it for most
efficient circuit operation. Each transistor has slightly
different characteristics and it is possible to "tune" the
resistance to best match the transistor being used.

[lamare]

Just downloaded some interesting torrents about free energy:
Free energy devices and inventions part 1 (download torrent) - TPB

One of them contains a very interesting document about Stan Meyers stuff:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Meyer/WFCreport.pdf
Lots of figures and interesting data, including about plasma explosions with water.

[mikrovolt]

Early days wth stan Meyers there is a specialized generator, it worked !
(notice the conventional non regulated alternator has RPV going in)
since that time there has been a massive smoke cloud of debunk.
‪Stan Meyers Circuit TOP SECRET‬‏ - YouTube
on this video approx 1 minet there is a assembly and together is the original hho

If you have it correct the scope will look like this:
‪Stan Meyers Pulse Train HHO‬‏ - YouTube
some solid state controllers designs have attemped to use the phenomena voltage takes over amperage
‪Voltage Overtakes Amperage. HHO in Rain Water, no electrolite.‬‏ - YouTube

but there is the saga
‪Water Fuel-Cell Inventor Murdered by Government‬‏ - YouTube

[WeThePeople]

MikroVolt,
I could have sworn you had a
DocStoc link in your post to here:
Max M - DocStoc

Maybe you edited it out for some reason,
but there are eleven duplicate files in that list.

I have attached a text file of the
duplicates for those that want it.

Here is the max-per-page (50) links:
Page 1of2 - DocStoc
Page 2of2 - DocStoc

There are only really 39 files on the
first page, not the full 50 it presents.

Page-2 is correct however (15 files).



Here is the actual 54 PDF files in a handy archive:
Download DocStoc_07-31-11_.rar
"DocStoc 07-31-11 .rar" - 58.6-MB (61,465,047-bytes)

It might be easier than sorting out the eleven duplicates...

MozillaShare has a 90-day inactivity deletion schedule.



Oh, and it is only a friggin TEXT file,
but I had to rename it .DOC for here,
how can .TXT files not be allowed...