Stan Meyers Secret, Preventing Electrolysis.

[SeaMonkey]

Well SM, I've had a good look through that link, and unless I've overlooked something I can find nothing new pertaining to his WFC patents. That is, nothing I've not read or seen before.

As Sucahyo (#133 above) has pointed out - Puharich made his
initial discovery while working on a medical problem.

His journal explains how he made the discovery and
how he devoted some time to explore it further.

The material is dis-jointed within the collection of pages
of copied documents. Pages and/or paragraphs scattered
here and there.

But, when you isolate the 'gems' he's given us you'll
find much insight on the various frequencies and techniques
which produced results.

There are perhaps 15 pages within the .pdf which are
very, very interesting.

[Farrah Day]

Which journals are you referring to?

[SeaMonkey]

Which journals are you referring to?

The transcribed journals which are within the .pdf downloadable
document (collection of papers.)

THIS ONE

The final section on the Teslar is also illuminating.

The video lecture series which Sucahyo referred to
are linked HERE

[SeaMonkey]

To sum the whole analysis up:

The basic theory for this can be found looking for Tom Bearden's "don't kill the dipole". Basic conclusion of that: the electric field comes for free. Potential (voltage) comes for free as long as you don't influence the charge carriers that create your dipole, your voltage source.

In the analysed systems, they all basically resonate two inductive loads in series, such that the overall load is resonating at full wave resonance, which is at 4 times higher frequency than the usual quarter wavelength resonance being used. When you resonate an open coil in full wave resonance, you get high voltage, zero current at the terminals, in phase. So there you have the basic connection to using the voltage source for free, but you have to figure out a way to do that without disturbing the charge carriers that give you the voltage source.

However, with a single coil, the current stays inside the coil, so you can't use that. So, when you split the coil into two, you get the current in the middle for free, provided you don't disturb your voltage source, your driving circuit. So normally, when you use the current, you will disturb the resonance, which will eventually also disturb your driving circuit, so you still have to provide current to keep the system in resonance and pay the price.

And here's the trick: the driving signal is delivered to the coil on top of a rectified carrier wave, which is fed into the circuit trough a high pass filter. Then, you get the current and the power, but the disturbances caused by using the power, cannot reach the driving circuit, because of the high pass filter! And then you finally got what you want. You can use your voltage source, without disturbing it, so then you don't have to pay the price.

And the final trick is to drive two identical loads in opposite phase trough quad half wave rectifiers, so the whole system is perfectly in balance and in resonance.

In the video links (part 3 and part 4) Puharich explains
how he 'pumps' the water molecule with his AC
stimulation to change the physical characteristic to
that of a 'crystal' just before it breaks apart.

Hearing the explanation from Puharich himself
is awesome.

The Series Resonant circuit comprising his electrolyzer
and the transformer feed circuit is designed to
provide maximum current with minimum input.

He never did reveal the details of his circuit configuration;
only the basic theory and process with some idea of
the resultant complex waveform across his highly
non-linear load.

His oral explanations do provide much more insight.
He tries hard to make it simple to get the basic idea.

[lamare]

In the video links (part 3 and part 4) Puharich explains
how he 'pumps' the water molecule with his AC
stimulation to change the physical characteristic to
that of a 'crystal' just before it breaks apart.

Hearing the explanation from Puharich himself
is awesome.

Looking foward to watching those!

Things are really coming together. I don't want to rule out anything about how to crack te water most efficiently. However, the basic requirement to do that is the need for electric power. And you now know how to get that. From my point of view, you could drive a standard electrolysis cell that way for free. But that does not mean that is the only way. I really don't know, I'm not a chemist. So, who knows what more is to be discovered down the road!


As for interesting applications of electric energy for healing purposes, I'd like to point you here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post107547

Looks like there is not much interest in this technology, even though it is thought provoking. Yesterday I stumbled across some intervieuw with John Bedini with Jeff Rense at YouTube. [...]

Very interesting. John and his colleagues managed to actually kill some bacteria, etc. using modulated EM waves....

Seems to me this stuff could actually work. It's a petty this has been almost "forgotten" today..

The Series Resonant circuit comprising his electrolyzer
and the transformer feed circuit is designed to
provide maximum current with minimum input.

He never did reveal the details of his circuit configuration;
only the basic theory and process with some idea of
the resultant complex waveform across his highly
non-linear load.

Exactly my point...

So the key concept to understand here is that you get the energy for free using the trick with the rectified carrier wave and the high pass filter. Coming to think of it, I don't think that really puts any restrictions on the kinds of signals you can feed into the system on top of the carrier wave! (provided the frequency of your carrier wave is high enough.)

So, you can basically tinker with the low frequency signal that is being modulated on top of the carrier wave all you like. I think that won't change a thing in terms of the price you have to pay for the energy, but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Since we now really understand the trick, it seems that you can also get away with driving other inductive loads in various configurations this way. Your mileage may vary, but the basic trick definately has a lot of potential. (pun intended)

So have a nice thay all of you, and happy hunting!




Update:
Just out of curiousity, if this is possible, what else is possible? You know, some claim the wildest possibilities. So let's go all the way, think big and have fun: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post81758

[Slovenia]

Thanks This Update

Thanks for this update Lamare!!

Update:

As I posted here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108528
Puharich does his half-wave rectification at the front. Before the amplifier. That basically means the circuit is not completely in balance and it takes a considerable amount of power to drive the "insulation transformer".

So, if you want to do this right, you have to do the half wave rectification at the back. That means you would have to feed the "insulation transformer" with the signal shown in the *upper* part of the figure. Then you place two sets of so-called AV plugs (basically half of a rectifier bridge) at the output of the "insulating transformer" to drive two *identical* sets of loads, such that you drive them the other way around with respect to one another. This way, you don't have to mistreat your amplifier driver, which really costs you a lot of power.

Update 2: There's one more detail to take care of. You have to sneak in a high pass filter. See:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108923

[Slovenia]

Thanks for clarification on filter!!

That's what I was looking for, the clarification on the high pass filter scenario. Very Good!!

Just when you think you understand it all, something comes up.

This is what I wrote this afternoon, describing how I understood the principle:




Then note this: "apparantly cannot reach the terminals of"

Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups. Of course this won't happen by magic! You have make sure that the disturbances cannot reach your power supply. That means you have to sneek in a high-pass filter, such that the higher frequencies of the carrier wave can pass from power supply circuit to load circuit, but the lower frequency disturbances can not pass the other way and ruin your party.

So, there's one more thing: drive the insulation transformer trough couple capacitors, such that the carrier wave frequency is passed, but the frequencies the coil resonates at as well as the frequencies of the disturbances caused by the load cannot pass trough.

Then we've really got everything covered, as far as I can tell.



Update: I think it may be better to implement the high pass filter at the output of the insulation transformer. Just put two (high voltage) couple capacitors between the output of the insulation transformer and the half way rectifiers that drive the load train. That should do, right?

[lamare]

That's what I was looking for, the clarification on the high pass filter scenario. Very Good!!

Yeah, without that, it won't work as specified. It kept on bothering me that I didn't understand how the resonance worked exactly with the carrier wave. Then suddenly it struck me that Gray basically had a high pass filter in the capacative coupling between the centre rod of his CSET and the grid.

And that really seems to be the last piece of the puzzle I had missed this far, since I can now explain the whole trick in just a few lines.

And this explains also why Gray got so much power, while Meyer and Puharich only got a modest COP. Which does suggest that there may be more to the resonating of water theories after all. But I don't want to burn my fingers on that anymore.

And finally, it may very well be that Meyer used half or quarter wave resonance after all, because he only got a single secondary and a rectifier diode. If that is the case, all he would have needed was *one* more capacitor.....
But don't tell anyone, cause then I can't hold on to the story that they all resonated their coils at full wave resonance

[lamare]

This may be interesting to those who are working on this:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...cation-69.html

It's a discussion with Dr. Stiffler about the further details.

[ourbobby]

Hi there Lamare,
When you talk about "Split the Positive", I take it that you are referring to E V Gray's cryptic description of the secret behind the power to his motor?

I have read your comment and must ask you what is splitting the positive?

Regards

rob

[lamare]

Hi there Lamare,
When you talk about "Split the Positive", I take it that you are referring to E V Gray's cryptic description of the secret behind the power to his motor?

I have read your comment and must ask you what is splitting the positive?

Regards

rob

Go to the thread about splitting the positive AND the negative. There is a link there to my analysis. You will have to follow some links here and there, but all the answers are there on the forum.

Happy hunting!

[ourbobby]

Go to the thread about splitting the positive AND the negative. There is a link there to my analysis. You will have to follow some links here and there, but all the answers are there on the forum.

Happy hunting!

Hi there Lamare,
I have already been there and cannot see how your explanation can accommodate the profundity of the Gray comment. If it were as simple as you suggest it would all be over bar the shouting. Even John Bedini called for explanations on what it meant and the Treatise by one Peter Lindemann attempting to explain the operation of the Gray Motor failed to discover this important secret technique. Although with the latter, he probably did not take the conceptual ideas of Tesla'a TMT far enough. Not an easy fit into standard electronic theory: needs a bit more experimental physics.

Happy Hunting indeed!

Regards

rob

[lamare]

If it were as simple as you suggest it would all be over bar the shouting.

Maybe they just haven't read it yet?

I mean, they would have commented here if they had and told us what they thought, right?


And it isn't that simple. The splitting of the positive, yes, that's simple. It's that you have to consider the whole signal line to be a shortcut and then you are basically left with one wire, splitting into two capacitors.

The idea that you can power your load for free if you use rectified HF to feed the load *and* use a HF filter to prevent your load killing your dipole, that's another story.

Not really that complicated in principle, but it will take a while to get all this straight in your mind.

So, we'll see what happens. I've put my head in the rope and I wouldn't have done that if I wasn't damn sure I was right.

[ourbobby]

The splitting of the positive, yes, that's simple. It's that you have to consider the whole signal line to be a shortcut and then you are basically left with one wire, splitting into two capacitors.

For a start, IMHO the first criteria is to define a working principle for this "Splitting". Then one has to decide what is meant by positive.

One wire into two capacitors is not splitting, it is sharing. so you have "Sharing the Positive not splitting. You will have to look a little more closely to a physics explanation.

regards

rob

[lamare]

For a start, IMHO the first criteria is to define a working principle for this "Splitting". Then one has to decide what is meant by positive.

One wire into two capacitors is not splitting, it is sharing. so you have "Sharing the Positive not splitting. You will have to look a little more closely to a physics explanation.

regards

rob

Of course, I don't really know what Gray really meant. And he also didn't really know himself. To me, the splitting/sharing idea makes sense and could be what he meant.

So what if he didn't? It's the principle of how this stuff works that really matters. And ye got that out in the open now.



So, let's not get into language discussions.

Let's just make it happen!

Update: I just edited the stuff over at peswiki about Gray:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki