Stan Meyers Secret, Preventing Electrolysis.

[Farrah Day]

Lamare it's clear that you and I have a very different idea about things, but that in itself is probably not such a bad thing.

There is no such thing as a perfect insulator. If there is a field, some current will leak trough any dielectric. That's why capacitors will not hold their charge forever.

Yes this is understandable, no problem, but leakage would be through the dielectric from the charges that already exist on the plates and/or surface of the dielectric.

So, it is possible and actually a known fact. It's just that it won't give you enough useable power.

As has been shown on this forum, you can push normal electrolytic capacitors that far that they will recharge themselves multiple times for a considerable period of time. This recharging takes a while, so I don't see any practical use for it, especially not now I understand how Meyer did it and why this is so difficult to replicate. Eventually is the same principle Gray used as well as Pucharin, but I already explained that

I'm not sure about this being a known fact, and indeed I think that rather than charged particles within the dielectric moving, it is more likely simply that the dielectric remains still somewhat polarised. And the reason it gives no useable power is because although a voltmeter might read a pd across the plates due to the action of the polarised dielectric, in reality there is no charge differential on each plate.

I also think that you have to be very careful not to be drawn into things on these forums without due consideration. Many people forward theories of what they think is happening, but in reality have no real science to back them up. It is very easy to get caught up in it all and be led by possible misinformation that eventually gets treated as the truth, for no real good reason.

Show me the science, conventional or not that explains the process and I'm happy. But if, like Meyer, we are expected to take his word for it when there is no science to back it up, and I'm a real 'doubting Thomas'.

But that's just me.

Incidentally Lamare, I asked if you were Irish, because you always drop the 'H' in through!

[sebosfato]

check this http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...er-true-6.html

[lamare]

The diagram which shows the 'open' in the secondary circuit of the transformer is an error.

The 'dangling end' of the upper secondary winding should connect to common or GND.

These kinds of errors frequently make it into patent documentation and are seldom corrected.

No, it is definately not an error. The key is into how to resonate the load train. You need to get the whole train in full-wave resonance, which is at a 4 times higher frequency than you would normally do. In order to get the power, you need to feed it also with a frequency (modulation) that is much higher than that, which is why Puharich did it the way he did and he definately did that correctly. The only thing he should have done is to place the rectifier *after* the transformer and resonate *two* identical loads in opposit phase, so the whole system balances out.

Now I don't want to be arrogant, but I do hold a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering. So, I don't say this in order to claim some kind of authority so I can "decide" for you that I am correct. All I can say is that I have investigated the matter and I am fully convinced it works the way I say, as a qualified Electrical Engineer. Really, there is no doubt in my mind anymore, because everything fits together the way I explain it.

However, it's really up to you what you want to do with this information. That's the freedom of choice we have all been given.

[SeaMonkey]

No, it is definitely not an error. The key is into how to resonate the load train. You need to get the whole train in full-wave resonance, which is at a 4 times higher frequency than you would normally do. In order to get the power, you need to feed it also with a frequency (modulation) that is much higher than that, which is why Puharich did it the way he did and he definitely did that correctly. The only thing he should have done is to place the rectifier *after* the transformer and resonate *two* identical loads in opposite phase, so the whole system balances out.

Now I don't want to be arrogant, but I do hold a Masters degree in Electrical Engineering. So, I don't say this in order to claim some kind of authority so I can "decide" for you that I am correct. All I can say is that I have investigated the matter and I am fully convinced it works the way I say, as a qualified Electrical Engineer. Really, there is no doubt in my mind anymore, because everything fits together the way I explain it.

However, it's really up to you what you want to do with this information. That's the freedom of choice we have all been given.

Puharich has other papers, recently released by
his family, which contain in-depth explanation of the
phenomenon he observed.

The transformer error in the 'functional block diagram'
is made clear by the details of his notes and journals.


You are absolutely correct about our freedom of choice.

[Farrah Day]

SM, do you have a link to these recently released papers?

[SeaMonkey]

SM, do you have a link to these recently released papers?

You may download them HERE

Unfortunately, they're not well organized so you'll have
to work your way through the entire collection in order
to find the bits and pieces which are out of order.

Happy hunting!

[sucahyo]

You may download them HERE

Unfortunately, they're not well organized so you'll have
to work your way through the entire collection in order
to find the bits and pieces which are out of order.

Happy hunting!

Puharich use at least 1/3 Hz and 600Hz. where the water pH salt level is very important. Also download the video from that link which show some very important clue on AC electrolysis not mentioned in the scanned book.
Definitely not HV or high powered. He use it for health purposes at first.

[lamare]

Puharich has other papers, recently released by
his family, which contain in-depth explanation of the
phenomenon he observed.

The transformer error in the 'functional block diagram'
is made clear by the details of his notes and journals.


You are absolutely correct about our freedom of choice.

Let me put it this way: Stan Meyer, Puharich and Edwin Gray all independently used the exact same principle to extract electrical energy out of the ether. None of them were Electrical Engineers.

And you can trust me on this: I did my homework. I really, really, really checked it out. I went all the way and checked every detail I could think of. So, beyond a shadow of a doubt: this is it.

But we'll see. Time will tell.

[Farrah Day]

Let me put it this way: Stan Meyer, Puharich and Edwin Gray all used the exact same principle to extract electrical energy out of the ether. None of them were Electrical Engineers.

And you can trust me on this: I did my homework. I really, really, really checked it out. I went all the way and checked every detail I could think of. So, beyond a shadow of a doubt: this is it.

But we'll see. Time will tell.

Bold claims Lamare... you certainly have a lot to live up to now!

However, you must surely realise that similar claims have been made time and time again regarding Meyer and Puharich, yet no one has yet irrefutably replicated any device. Ultimately theories and paperwork just won't cut it.

[lamare]

You may download them HERE

Unfortunately, they're not well organized so you'll have
to work your way through the entire collection in order
to find the bits and pieces which are out of order.

Happy hunting!

Thanks a lot!

I scanned trough this one very quickly:
http://www.puharich.nl/Bio/Elf_Magne...r_and_mind.pdf

This is very interesting, because it teaches us how to apply electro-magnetics for healing patients. At first sight, this looks like pure gold to me.

[lamare]

Bold claims Lamare... you certainly have a lot to live up to now!

I know, but it just has to be. I mean, three independent devices using the exact same principle, a principe that can be explained by Bearden and Turturs theories. Three independent devices, of which at least two have been publicly shown to work (Meyer, Gray).

So, it's either that all three are incredible frauds, or this is it. I just don't see any other possibility, especially because Gray and Meyer used their energy in totally different ways.

So you are right, I've put my neck in the rope. And I dare doing that because I fully trust that Gray, Meyer and Puharich did what they say they did and saw what they say they saw. They were all three honest guys that gave all they had.

[Farrah Day]

Well SM, I've had a good look through that link, and unless I've overlooked something I can find nothing new pertaining to his WFC patents. That is, nothing I've not read or seen before.

[lamare]

However, you must surely realise that similar claims have been made time and time again regarding Meyer and Puharich, yet no one has yet irrefutably replicated any device. Ultimately theories and paperwork just won't cut it.

You can hold the same story for Gray. As far as I know, nobody ever connected them and realised that they are really the same thing.

And I know theories and paperwork won't cut it, but now that we know the secret, replications are just a matter of time.

[lamare]

The last piece of the puzzle.

Just when you think you understand it all, something comes up.

This is what I wrote this afternoon, describing how I understood the principle:

They all basically resonate two inductive loads in series, such that the overall load is resonating at full wave resonance, which is at 4 times higher frequency than the usual quarter wavelength resonance being used. When you resonate an open coil in full wave resonance, you get high voltage, zero current at the terminals, in phase. However, with a single coil, the current stays inside the coil, so you can't use that. So, when you split the coil into two, you get the current in the middle for free, in principle. However, when you do that, you will disturb the resonance, which will eventually also disturb your driving circuit, so you still have to provide current to keep the system in resonance and pay the price. And here's the trick: the driving signal is delivered to the coil on top of a rectified carrier wave. Then, you still get the current and the power, but the disturbances caused by using the power, apparantly cannot reach the terminals of the load train and therefore you don't have to pay the price. And the final trick is to drive two identical loads in opposite phase trough quad half wave rectifiers, so the whole system is perfectly in balance and in resonance.

Then note this: "apparantly cannot reach the terminals of"

Assumption is the mother of all ****-ups. Of course this won't happen by magic! You have make sure that the disturbances cannot reach your power supply. That means you have to sneek in a high-pass filter, such that the higher frequencies of the carrier wave can pass from power supply circuit to load circuit, but the lower frequency disturbances can not pass the other way and ruin your party.

So, there's one more thing: drive the insulation transformer trough couple capacitors, such that the carrier wave frequency is passed, but the frequencies the coil resonates at as well as the frequencies of the disturbances caused by the load cannot pass trough.

Then we've really got everything covered, as far as I can tell.



Update: I think it may be better to implement the high pass filter at the output of the insulation transformer. Just put two (high voltage) couple capacitors between the output of the insulation transformer and the half way rectifiers that drive the load train. That should do, right?

[lamare]

To sum the whole analysis up:

The basic theory for this can be found looking for Tom Bearden's "don't kill the dipole". Basic conclusion of that: the electric field comes for free. Potential (voltage) comes for free as long as you don't influence the charge carriers that create your dipole, your voltage source.

In the analysed systems, they all basically resonate two inductive loads in series, such that the overall load is resonating at full wave resonance, which is at 4 times higher frequency than the usual quarter wavelength resonance being used. When you resonate an open coil in full wave resonance, you get high voltage, zero current at the terminals, in phase. So there you have the basic connection to using the voltage source for free, but you have to figure out a way to do that without disturbing the charge carriers that give you the voltage source.

However, with a single coil, the current stays inside the coil, so you can't use that. So, when you split the coil into two, you get the current in the middle for free, provided you don't disturb your voltage source, your driving circuit. So normally, when you use the current, you will disturb the resonance, which will eventually also disturb your driving circuit, so you still have to provide current to keep the system in resonance and pay the price.

And here's the trick: the driving signal is delivered to the coil on top of a rectified carrier wave, which is fed into the circuit trough a high pass filter. Then, you get the current and the power, but the disturbances caused by using the power, cannot reach the driving circuit, because of the high pass filter! And then you finally got what you want. You can use your voltage source, without disturbing it, so then you don't have to pay the price.

And the final trick is to drive two identical loads in opposite phase trough quad half wave rectifiers, so the whole system is perfectly in balance and in resonance.


Update: You can read all about "don't kill the dipole" here:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Update 2:
Turns out there is a difference between Gray, Meyer and Puharich after all. Gray used full wave resonance, Puharich used half wave resonance and Meyer used quarter wave resonance. I'm a bit off in my "official story" to be completely honest. However, it's the principle that counts and that had to be brought out there first. See: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post109080

Update 3: As for the filter: Gray had this, he used capacitors. See: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post108329 -- the attached pdf shows the basic circuit.