Future Energy hydroxy cell

[nvisser]

YouTube - 2004 DODGE PU RUNS ON 100 % WATER FINAL
YouTube - FutureEnergyConcepts's Channel
Q&A with Fred about his truck that runs on water

[IndianaBoys]

Anybody on the forum near Prescott, Arizona that can go meet Fred and check it out?

IndianaBoys

[Matthew Jones]

He said he was going to open source it. I sure hope he does. Or at least sell it as kit or somthing.

Matt

[sterlingda]

Forum created for Freddy Cell open source project

I've commenced a discussion list to accompany the open source project that Frederick Wells has agreed to, which will be indexed at
http://www.FreddysCell.com which redirects to our PESWiki page.

Freddy is the one who claims to have gotten a 2004 Dodge pickup truck to run on just hydroxy gas.

He is in process of conveying the plans of how to do this to a few people so they can replicate it and verify that the plans result in a working system as claimed.

The discussion list is for those who wish to be part of this open source project to replicate, characterize, optimize, and improve Frederick W. Well's water fuel cell technology.

The discussion list can be found online at
Freddys_Cell : Freddy's Water Fuel Cell -- Open Source

To join, go to http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Freddys_Cell/join
or send an email to freddys_cell-susbscribe@yahoogroups.com and respond to the auto-confirm email message that will follow.

Usual rules of decorum apply in the forum.

You're welcome to help us update the PESWiki page(s) associated with this project as it grows.

[adam_mizer]

Looking forward to discussions and to make a replication on Freddy's system.
... there are many unanswered questions about the cell and interconnection system.

John

[theremart]

RE: Cell

I am looking forward to replications as well.

That is were most devices fail. True testable replications.

I have been watching Zerofossilfuel's ( on youtube ) review of the device, and I think has some good tests for it.

Test the emissions of the engine to see if it is burning any other substance.

Seen much snake oil, but.... once in a while you encounter a Stan Meyer.

Mart

[jibbguy]

Our Mantra on this needs to be

Independent Verification

No substitutions please

[Cloxxki]

Is it somewhere clearly explained how the ionisation is done? Seems that's probably THE foremost trick (power booster) to get a looped system going?
The pipes in the cell look way neat and all, but would those outperform Faraday's limit by enough to get the loop working with power to spare?

[Farrah Day]

For once I agree with Jibbguy, independent verification is needed otherwise this just becomes another guessing game, or worse just another claim that is destined to become a WFC myth and no more.

What concerns me is that this new design would appear to bear little resemblance to the 2002 model. Fair enough, designs can be modified and bettered, but in 2002 and electrical pulse of just 0.5 Amps was spoken about, with the output transistor having to be capable of switching 1 - 5 amps - very Meyer-like.

However now we see they are talking about 55 amps! Quite a heavy current draw and indeed a heavy current density, which would tend to suggest the unit is now operating more Faraday-like. So it would actually seem to be a complete turn-around as far as the technology is concerned... why? Did the 2002 design not actually do what it said on the tin?

However, if it works, then fair enough, you can't really argue with it.

So the really intriguing thing then of course becomes the fact that the system is providing a lot more energy than it uses. We apparently have greater than 100% efficiency - overunity. And given a lot of heat is dissipated by the cell itself, this then would seem even more remarkable, all of which immediately sets a few of my alarm bells ringing.

None of this will sit very well with educated men and scientists, and indeed I too am on the fence until it is independently verified. I will however be keeping my eye on the proceedings with great interest.

[rick123]

They don't seem to be trying to screw anyone over and you can hear what appears to be genuine excitement from there voices. Then they canceled the get together for aug. 21 because of a cracked cell. That gives me pause and I wonder, "what would be the motive for lying"?
I got a material list ready to go, just need to know a bit more about that PWM and independent verification.

[Farrah Day]

Rick

Before you go all out throwing loads of money at this or commiting too much time and effort, I would advise you to hold off until the water settles and full details are provided, because as I mentioned, this would appear to be a very different set-up to that which was detailed in 2002. In fact the two set-ups are rather at odds with each other, which itself raises a truck load of questions.

Let's face it, as always with anything like this the implications are enormous - I mean, they are afterall saying that they've achieved overunity. I'd wait for independent verification, which, if they're on the level should be soon... or of course it all comes crashing back down to earth.

[Cloxxki]

Rick

Before you go all out throwing loads of money at this or commiting too much time and effort, I would advise you to hold off until the water settles and full details are provided, because as I mentioned, this would appear to be a very different set-up to that which was detailed in 2002. In fact the two set-ups are rather at odds with each other, which itself raises a truck load of questions.

Let's face it, as always with anything like this the implications are enormous - I mean, they are afterall saying that they've achieved overunity. I'd wait for independent verification, which, if they're on the level should be soon... or of course it all comes crashing back down to earth.

Is it truly overunity, when you are creating conditions for ions to travel the way is convenient for you? Is it then not similar to solar panels or wind turbines on a very basic level?

Now, could a mini-scale replication be considered? Just to produce gas of which the combustion power will be assessed vs. regular HHO. One double pipe for electrolysis, the circuit and systems replicated as simply as possible, and not even try to loop it. If a balloon of the gas bangs louder than usual HHO, that's huge IMO. The actual looping seems to be a matter of formality. Attaining the same mpg on a similar truck, quite trivial.
I'd accept a water fueled car even if the efficiency was 1/10 of what's being claimed. I'll happily hook on a trailer with large watertank/distiller installation.

By the way, what would the exhaust gasses be? Regular distilled water with a hint of oil, or some different H, O, N mix? If water, then no large tank might be needed, just a small reservoir and a purifier.

[Jbignes5]

Rofl...

Rick

Before you go all out throwing loads of money at this or commiting too much time and effort, I would advise you to hold off until the water settles and full details are provided, because as I mentioned, this would appear to be a very different set-up to that which was detailed in 2002. In fact the two set-ups are rather at odds with each other, which itself raises a truck load of questions.

Let's face it, as always with anything like this the implications are enormous - I mean, they are afterall saying that they've achieved overunity. I'd wait for independent verification, which, if they're on the level should be soon... or of course it all comes crashing back down to earth.

So which do you want then? Him to verify this or not? Why say to wait for verification of the claims then say they need the verifying to verify the claims before he is to verify it. WTF....

[rick123]

Rick

Before you go all out throwing loads of money at this or commiting too much time and effort, I would advise you to hold off until the water settles and full details are provided, because as I mentioned, this would appear to be a very different set-up to that which was detailed in 2002. In fact the two set-ups are rather at odds with each other, which itself raises a truck load of questions.

Let's face it, as always with anything like this the implications are enormous - I mean, they are afterall saying that they've achieved overunity. I'd wait for independent verification, which, if they're on the level should be soon... or of course it all comes crashing back down to earth.

I did not say anything about spending money. I have been around long enough to see many of these guys come and go. Still it is fun getting exited and being hopeful!!! Every time I walk away learning something new. Who knows one of these times it just maybe it will be the real deal. Some info is starting to flow in there Yahoo group. I am thinking it is a scam, but I am game until I know for sure.

Sure was a lot of amps, 80 amps when he was running down the road? The valve feeding the cell was closed, it was a manual valve. So there was a vacuum in the cell? A 3/8 or 1/2 inch line running from the cell to gauge in vehicle, then out to the dryer, then to fuel rail. say 5 meters of line, and he states: 55 LPM . That line would charge to 60 psi in seconds. correct? 60-85 psi is about the pressure a fuel rail holds, so can fuel injectors operate with HHO the same? 55 LPM is not enough to allow idle.

[Farrah Day]

So which do you want then? Him to verify this or not? Why say to wait for verification of the claims then say they need the verifying to verify the claims before he is to verify it. WTF....

WTF indeed.

I'm not sure what your problem is, or what you're struggling to understand here, but Rick is talking about replication, which would come after independent verification from a reliable and creditable source. Verification that the claims are legitimate has to come first.

How can Rick or anyone else verify claims if there are not enough details yet disclosed to actually replicate... think before you post and make yourself look stupid!

Sure was a lot of amps, 80 amps when he was running down the road? The valve feeding the cell was closed, it was a manual valve. So there was a vacuum in the cell? A 3/8 or 1/2 inch line running from the cell to gauge in vehicle, then out to the dryer, then to fuel rail. say 5 meters of line, and he states: 55 LPM . That line would charge to 60 psi in seconds. correct? 60-85 psi is about the pressure a fuel rail holds, so can fuel injectors operate with HHO the same? 55 LPM is not enough to allow idle.
Today 04:08 PM

Everything about this shouts Faraday which require a lot of power and is always less than 100% efficient due to power losses such as heat. I too have serious doubts, but I'm also prepared to give it a chance.

Is it truly overunity, when you are creating conditions for ions to travel the way is convenient for you? Is it then not similar to solar panels or wind turbines on a very basic level?

If the claims are true it would indeed be overunity. You are using energy to dissociate water into it's component elements, which are then fed into the engine and combusted to provide not only drive, but also continuously power the process. YES it would be overunity.

By the way, what would the exhaust gasses be? Regular distilled water with a hint of oil, or some different H, O, N mix? If water, then no large tank might be needed, just a small reservoir and a purifier.

Mainly water with a hint of the hydrocarbon lubricants and perhaps a little oxide of nitrogen.