Future Energy hydroxy cell

[Farrah Day]

I agree, the frequency would change quite a bit if everything is attached to each other, wouldn't you want to tune it to the frequency of the setup as a whole?

I'm not buying into this tuning stuff at all. The minute you glue the tubes into the vessel, any previously individual resonant frequencies become irrelevant as the tubes then become part of a larger whole. It makes little sense to me.

Also in the video FF says, quote:

'Now you're working with the outer tube. Why is this outer tube such higher frequency to the inner tube?'

Then going on to say, 'It's smaller in diameter, so why does this tube ring so much higher than the other one?'

Well if it's an outer tube, clearly it can't be of smaller diameter than the inner tube??

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Granted, this may just be a slip of the tongue, but it does nothing to aid clarity.

And, is he talking about the thickness of the outer tube being thinner than that of the inner tube... or talking about the inner tube simply being thinner?

[rick123]

Rick

I'm curious, do you intend to run your WFC with all the cells wired in parallel, so each is effectively seeing 12v?

Or are you going to wire them in series?

I do not know FD! Freddy has not said yet, LOL. I am just going to follow along act as I do not know anything and see what happens.
That PWM Freddy is using comes with 6 mosfets and Freddy stated he added several. So I am assuming he has one per cell ,total of 10?

This weekend I am playing with some different "free" audio analyzers and recordings I made last night. My outer tube is the same gauge as inner and rings a higher pitch. I am going to do some testing today with different tube lengths and thicknesses to better understand the sounds/frequencies and obtaining 4 octave difference Freddy is talking about.
I am going to be using a 1987 ford van with 302 v8, carburated, for this project. It is going to start getting cold were I live, so the van should make for a nice warm place to work in the coming months ahead.
I am Dick Goober in the yahoo group.

[Farrah Day]

I do not know FD! Freddy has not said yet, LOL.

Oh, I see Rick. Well I guess you're going about it the right way if you intend to create an exact replication.

I know in the text somewhere FF mentions... I think, 3.3 volts! But I've no idea if he was talking about this voltage across each cell in a series combination or what! Logically, given that he's using a 12v lead acid battery and vehicle alternators, I would assume that he is using around 14.5 volts across the whole lot, and that they are in series.

If you wired yours in series you will obviously get a drop of around 2 volts across each cell which would make sense, but where Freddy gets the figure of 3.3 volts from is yet another mystery.

[Vickers]

Come on??? The guy is a gunsmith? He obviously knows alloys. Do not give this clown money. This is embarrassing.

[broli]

Calm down Farrah Day, no need to work yourself up. He apparently could run a car on it and is open about it, time will clear up any confusion. It's best to support such behavior than to obstruct it. Because let's be frank are we really being constructive arguing about something that is being exposed as we speak.

[Farrah Day]

Calm down Farrah Day, no need to work yourself up. He apparently could run a car on it and is open about it, time will clear up any confusion. It's best to support such behavior than to obstruct it. Because let's be frank are we really being constructive arguing about something that is being exposed as we speak.

I'm not working myself up Broli - in fact I've seen nothing to get excited about yet.

And who's arguing? We're simply discussing and debating the pros and cons here, what we've been told, what we haven't been told and whether anything will ever come of it all.

No one is obstructing anything... are they? FF will have my full support the moment he fully open sources the whole kit and kaboodle and provides enough info for a faithful replication. Until then... well, there's nothing healthier than a good dose of scepticism when faced with yet another overunity claim.

[grizli]

I'm not buying into this tuning stuff at all. The minute you glue the tubes into the vessel, any previously individual resonant frequencies become irrelevant as the tubes then become part of a larger whole. It makes little sense to me.

Also in the video FF says, quote:

'Now you're working with the outer tube. Why is this outer tube such higher frequency to the inner tube?'

Then going on to say, 'It's smaller in diameter, so why does this tube ring so much higher than the other one?'

Well if it's an outer tube, clearly it can't be of smaller diameter than the inner tube??

YouTube - 100 1558

Granted, this may just be a slip of the tongue, but it does nothing to aid clarity.

And, is he talking about the thickness of the outer tube being thinner than that of the inner tube... or talking about the inner tube simply being thinner?

You are quite wrong
I made tests...

Base harmonic of the tube does NOT change when you hold tube or when tube handgs freely... higher harmonic are dampened... but base one is very much the same...

Also shorting tube does not change frequency very much ... it is mostly determined by diameter and wall thickness..

[grizli]

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This really makes no sense ? How can he gate base harmonic at so low frequency as 100-300 Hz lime he says in video ?
this tube has sound of at least 2000hz

[HairBear]

Do all of you who believe in tuning tubes like wind chimes ever try playing a clarinet with a mallet?

[Cloxxki]

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This really makes no sense ? How can he gate base harmonic at so low frequency as 100-300 Hz lime he says in video ?
this tube has sound of at least 2000hz

The background noise took up most of the display, it seemed. Perhaps our ears ar playing tricks on us? I too hear a rather clearn high-pitch tone, but I see the low-pitch peaks also. Might those be the strike rather than the ring?

[Farrah Day]

I feel fairly confident that we can write this tuning stuff off as nonsense. At one point he says the tube resonates at 45Hz! That's a bass frequency that would be felt as much as heard - none of this is making the slightest bit of sense to me.

But then what do I know... perhaps I'm completely wrong, and like Meyer, FF knows exactly what he is talking about and is about to change the world as we know it!

[Farrah Day]

Does this look familiar boys?

http://hydrogenboostnow.com/50ampboxgauge.htm

* Supply Voltage: 12-24 VDC
* Fans are wired for12-24 VDC
* Output Current: 0 - 50 amps continuous RMS
* Output Current: Rated at 100+ amps peak!
* Duty ratio: Can be set from 0% to 100%
* Frequency Adjustable from approximately 250 - 3,000 Hz
* Frequency can be fixed at 100Hz (dip Switch)
* 2 - 60 mm ball bearing cooling fans
* 12 male spade connectors
* Heavy duty wire reinforced circuit board traces
* Box Size= 6 x 4.5 x 2.5 not including mounting flange
* Weight = almost 2 pounds

But you will note in the text on the web site that they are only using these as boosters, with their - what looks like dry cells - only producing up to 4 litres per minute... only a mere 50 litres short of Fast Freddy's claims... hmmm

[lamare]

Do all of you who believe in tuning tubes like wind chimes ever try playing a clarinet with a mallet?

I do "play" the horn of an ox:

Some time ago, I played with this thing. I inserted an earphone connected to the sound card of my computer into the end you usuall play the instrument with. When you get resonance, the sound is much stronger when the earphone is inside the instrument compared to when it is outside.

This does suggest that even with sound resonance you can get power gain. If that is actually true, then this must have something to do with the vibrations of the charges that are inside each and every atom, such that these "suck" energy from the electric field that is present everywhere, for example in the shape of the gravity field which noone seems to understand is just an electrostatic phenomenon.

Very interesting to think about. If standing waves can indeed gain power by tapping into the electric field, then there may be something to tuning the tubes after all.

Still, I think you can get much more bang for the buck concentrating on tuning the electric driving circuit, as I explain in my article:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

Of course, it may also be that you have to match the resonance in the driving circuit to the resonances that may or may not take place in the WFC for maximum power transfer from driving circuit into the WFC, depending on how you drive your WFC. If your WFC is part of the resonating load train of the driving circuit, you probably have to match things. If you drive it trough a transformer, you probably don't.

[HairBear]

Yes Lamare, you do like to blow your horn! Although, the horn is not designed to have a speaker radiate sound inside as much as it is to have air passed through it. Wack that horn with a mallet and the sounds are not very loud, blow the horn as shown in the picture and you can hear the sounds for miles around.

Acoustic resonance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Cloxxki]

For years I considered resonance for gain plain BS. If that were to be true, it would be the easiest way to a gain, and with thousands working on it, it would already be a done deal a century ago. Perhaps it was never applied at the righ physics before...
Likely unrelated, it it's a wave.
Today halfway into a run, I took a breather on a bright. Calm channel water underneath. Sweat drops fell from my head occasionally, some 5m down at most. It amazed me that the amplitude of the wave, when expanded to several meters in diameter, seemed to have mostly remained. Then, suddenly it died out. One silly drop in such a vast mass of water.