None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Get123OnWithIt]

Building the RF Circuit

How many members here are in the process of building an rf circuit
at the moment?[/QUOTE]

I am. I am so grateful to have had the opportunity to meet Mike and Aaron and so many of the others at the conference who are anxiously engaged in the these type of activities. I also was overwhelmed with information and new ideas, but after coming out of headspin have refocused on the origininal target objective.

I have had deadlines at work this week and have not had time to participate in this forum yet, but later today will have a list of specific questions for Mike regarding the construction of the RF device pertaining to the specific parts I am using. I will do this offline so as not to distract from the topic of this thread.

I am especially grateful to Mike for opening up on this technology. I've been actively looking for this for the last 4 years. I like him have built the tubes, the oscillators and the plugs in searching for a solution to the problem we all face.

And Aaron, I would never have known about Mike without your forum - And so to both of you I say ' thank you thank you thank you'! I'm looking forward for to the ride!


Gary M

[nvisser]

Gary
You should do this online so we all can learn from it even if you use different components
It will not distract us from the topic of this thread.
After all that is what the thread is for
Regards
Vissie

[Aaron]

<7

Also the water used in process is very important because NH3 is formed ONLY using an PH <7. Regards

I believe there can be nitric acid forming in the water to make it <7
but I guess this is more important when electrodes are submerged in
water - also increasing conductivity even when starting with distilled water.

The nitrogen hydroxide websites have been on the internet for years and
they talk about nitrogen but they do not give clear answers on anything.

[tutanka]

I believe there can be nitric acid forming in the water to make it <7
but I guess this is more important when electrodes are submerged in
water - also increasing conductivity even when starting with distilled water.

The nitrogen hydroxide websites have been on the internet for years and
they talk about nitrogen but they do not give clear answers on anything.

Aaron.
Nitrogen hydroxide is an molecule invented from peoples, in fact doesn't exist in chemistry. All free informations sended today are based on real chemistry. However no problems because if you don't use right water your process doesn't work and you can forget to create NH3. In acid solution you create NH3, in basic solution you create N2H4. Regards

[Aaron]

nitrogen hydroxide

Nitrogen hydroxide is an molecule invented from peoples, in fact doesn't exist in chemistry.

I think both yes and no.

Yes, people made up that term because they didn't know what it was
and I think it is nh3 and n2o and other molecules.

However, I have found many references in published papers naming a
molecule nitrogen hydroxide and I posted this in the ionization thread
in the past.

[tutanka]

I think both yes and no.

Yes, people made up that term because they didn't know what it was
and I think it is nh3 and n2o and other molecules.

However, I have found many references in published papers naming a
molecule nitrogen hydroxide and I posted this in the ionization thread
in the past.

Surely not NH3 and N2O. You need a lot of energy for conversion of molecular nitrogen into atomic, I think Mike have explain that in US meeting..

[seselaa]

Chemalloy

Has anyone tried chemalloy?.

provide the metallic ingredients:


Pounds
Yellow brass (30% zinc and 70% copper)---------------- 8
Aluminum -------------------------------------------- 8
40-60 solder (40% tin 60% lead) --------------------- 1.5
Silver (.1%) or -------------------------------------- .1
Nickel (.1%) --------------------------------------- .1
Zinc, to make up a 100 pound batch or -------------- 82.3
-----------
100.0
The chemical ingredients are next prepared in approximately the following proportions, for a 100 pound batch of the above metal ingredients:

Powdered copper slag ---------------pounds--------- 3.0
Yellow sulphur ----------------------do------------ 1.25
Willow charcoal ---------------------do------------ 0.75
Commercial muriatic acid ----------gallons--------- 0.50

Chemalloy powderized to about 1,000,000 particles per pound exhibits the same elecritical properties (Fig. 2) as the solid rod. Here it generates slightly more than .5 volt, and in addition decomposes the water, liberating hydrogen.

[Aaron]

nh3 and high power

Surely not NH3 and N2O. You need a lot of energy for conversion of molecular nitrogen into atomic, I think Mike have explain that in US meeting..

Normally, yes, but all the old references going back 200 years, Nh3 is
produced even with low power. Small amounts but shows that it is possible.

Even in the Anthony cell water engine claim at overunity.com, someone
said they smelled ammonia and I don't think they had high power. I also don't
think anyone ever replicated their claims.

[Get123OnWithIt]

RF Questions For Mike

Mike,

It was a pleasure meeting you at the conference last weekend - and as promised, I'm presenting the RF portion of my design to you here with questions.

The design of my two radios is shown in the attached document. I've also included the datasheets for the RF amps I'm using. I couldn't find a real datasheet for the 85Y12 so I pillaged one off somebody's site and made a jpg out of it.

All questions here reference the 137 Mhz radio - but should apply to the UHF radio as well.

Here goes:

1. Is the RF (VCO + RF Amp) PCB's top and bottom copper with the copper etched away on the top for non ground connections?

2. I assume that each of the radios have their own circuit board - or can I combine them onto one board?

3. Can the GND Pin on the VCOs be ran directly to the ground plane?

4. The VCO and the RF AMPs are encased in metal. Each of their data sheets indicate that this metal case is ground. Therefore, they are to be mounted on top of the ground plane, or the top of the PCB - correct?

5. The connection between the VCO and the RF AMP is 50 ohm coax. I
Believe the idea here is to have this length be as short as possible, correct?

Can I run a tiny test point out of here to measure the frequency with a scope without attenuating the signal or causing signal distortion?

6. The RF AMP has a pin connection (not coax) for the input. I assume that I run a ground to the ground plane to the outer sheath of the coax here also - correct?

7. It appears after studying pg 3 of the M1A RF Amp datasheet that we should be ok with a 10 dBm input from the VCO given that VDD is 12.5v and VGG is 5 vdc. That looks like Pout of around 47 dBm or 50 W. Does this look correct to you? That would be outstanding if all that power made it to the antenna!

8. The Vtune going into the VCO and the VGG going into the RF AMP are going to have their own independent input voltage settings. How do I manage the grounds from these independent voltage regulation systems? By running them to the ground plane via some kind of RF choke?

9. Does the coax coming out of the RF Amp need to be 1 wavelength long for maximum power transfer? It is on the Rife machine that I built so I thought it should apply here as well.

10. Where can I get more information on how to build a VSWR? I’ve looked in the 2009 ‘The ARRL Antenna Book’ 21st edition, and 'The ARRL Handbook For Radio Communications’ 2009 cannot find anything on how to build a VSWR. They have nice theory with calculations - but no circuit examples.

11. What is the theory on cable length between the VSWR, (the BALUM and the antenna)? For my application, I would like them to be 10 feet apart (VSWR to antenna). Is this possible or do I need to re-adjust some things?

12. I don't think that having one of the radios putting out 50 w while the other is putting out 10 w will have detrimental effects on the system - do you?

Again, I can't thank you enough for your willingness to share this technology with me and the rest of the world. Thank you thank you thank you!!!

Regards,

Gary M

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Mike,

It was a pleasure meeting you at the conference last weekend - and as promised, I'm presenting the RF portion of my design to you here with questions.

The design of my two radios is shown in the attached document. I've also included the datasheets for the RF amps I'm using. I couldn't find a real datasheet for the 85Y12 so I pillaged one off somebody's site and made a jpg out of it.

All questions here reference the 137 Mhz radio - but should apply to the UHF radio as well.

Here goes:

1. Is the RF (VCO + RF Amp) PCB's top and bottom copper with the copper etched away on the top for non ground connections?

2. I assume that each of the radios have their own circuit board - or can I combine them onto one board?

3. Can the GND Pin on the VCOs be ran directly to the ground plane?

4. The VCO and the RF AMPs are encased in metal. Each of their data sheets indicate that this metal case is ground. Therefore, they are to be mounted on top of the ground plane, or the top of the PCB - correct?

5. The connection between the VCO and the RF AMP is 50 ohm coax. I
Believe the idea here is to have this length be as short as possible, correct?

Can I run a tiny test point out of here to measure the frequency with a scope without attenuating the signal or causing signal distortion?

6. The RF AMP has a pin connection (not coax) for the input. I assume that I run a ground to the ground plane to the outer sheath of the coax here also - correct?

7. It appears after studying pg 3 of the M1A RF Amp datasheet that we should be ok with a 10 dBm input from the VCO given that VDD is 12.5v and VGG is 5 vdc. That looks like Pout of around 47 dBm or 50 W. Does this look correct to you? That would be outstanding if all that power made it to the antenna!

8. The Vtune going into the VCO and the VGG going into the RF AMP are going to have their own independent input voltage settings. How do I manage the grounds from these independent voltage regulation systems? By running them to the ground plane via some kind of RF choke?

9. Does the coax coming out of the RF Amp need to be 1 wavelength long for maximum power transfer? It is on the Rife machine that I built so I thought it should apply here as well.

10. Where can I get more information on how to build a VSWR? I’ve looked in the 2009 ‘The ARRL Antenna Book’ 21st edition, and 'The ARRL Handbook For Radio Communications’ 2009 cannot find anything on how to build a VSWR. They have nice theory with calculations - but no circuit examples.

11. What is the theory on cable length between the VSWR, (the BALUM and the antenna)? For my application, I would like them to be 10 feet apart (VSWR to antenna). Is this possible or do I need to re-adjust some things?

12. I don't think that having one of the radios putting out 50 w while the other is putting out 10 w will have detrimental effects on the system - do you?

Again, I can't thank you enough for your willingness to share this technology with me and the rest of the world. Thank you thank you thank you!!!

Regards,

Gary M

Hi Gary

I will try to answer your questions

1 The PCB is bouble sided and the ground plain is the bottom but also the parts not used on the top side, try looking up PCB design for RF on the net

2 If you are using Two VCO's then I suggest you use two PCB's, if only one VCO and a trippler and doubler for the other frequency then you could use one board with decoupling on the power lines etc.

3 yes

4 top of PCB and linked with various holes through the board to the ground plane

5 Yes 50 ohm coax if you have VCO and amp as N or BNC etc type connectors. If you have surface PCB mounting then the connections would have to be 50 ohm stripline on the PCB.

6 Look at 5, ref 50 ohm strip line

7 I have not had time to look at the data sheet

8 Yes choke and capacitor RF decoupling on the positive side

9 Coax at wave lengths is normal practice but if you have a good VSWR then there should be no radiation from the coax, it can be as short as you like.

10 Wideband SWR meter

11 Does not matter the length as said before.

12 You should keep the output the same on both frequencies eg. 10w + 10w


Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Gary

Do not connect the voltage/ power controller as shown in the schematic for that power amp of Motorola. You have to use a Voltage control chip LM317 and RF decoupling of a choke and two caps, one 100mf electrolytic and the other 100nf ceramic, the choke anything from 10mH to 100mH.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Surely not NH3 and N2O. You need a lot of energy for conversion of molecular nitrogen into atomic, I think Mike have explain that in US meeting..

Alex is right on the Ph7 of water, the best water to use is distilled water.

Now to get the right Ph the system uses vapour, if you pass hot N2 through water you will create steam Ph7 but as Aaron said some of the N2 will be absorbed by the water "not steam", and it will move toward acidic and that is why we put salt in the water to maintain as close to a Ph7 as possible (method in the madness), this is how we can maintain as close to perfect Ph at the point of vibration.

I did not have time to explain the WHOLE chemical process, hopefully at a forthcoming conference I can explain without interuptions all that is involved and what actually takes place with slides etc and a lab style example.

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Just to get things right

Another point is that as such we do not create atomic nitrogen, it is vibrationally excited nitrogen, the molecular structure as I SEE IT is elongated to the point of breaking, this is when it is at its most vunerable and the atomic H and O then do their job of splitting it and joining with it before the H and O can turn to H2 and O2.

I hope I have explained this for those that do not see what is happening.

Mike

[Slovenia]

Updated PDF File of This Thread

The most recent updated pdf file has been uploaded to page 3 if you want it.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

The most recent updated pdf file has been uploaded to page 3 if you want it.

Thanks, you are doing a great job

Mike