None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Here is the first of my documents on this subject, and is to be continued

Mike

[Jetijs]

Great Michale
You have my attention!

[Shamus]

I like where this is going...

[Savvypro]

Any chance the .doc could be made into a pdf (can be done using free pdf converters, also it would be more secure seeing as doc files can have malicious code embedded in it).

Apart from that, I've been thinking about something completely different but uses a similar energy transfer idea as you suggested. I'll be keeping an eye on this thread.

[lamare]

Here is the first of my documents on this subject, and is to be continued

Mike

Hi Mike,

You definately mention some goodies in there. Resonance and heterodyne are very important considerations. However, IMHO the answers are not to be found in the resonance frequencies of the fluid as such, but in how to get the power and how to apply it to your fluid. I have analysed the systems by Gray, Meyer and Puharich and concluded they all used the same principles to extract energy out of the electric field. And since Gray did not use this energy to electrolyse water, I think it is fair to conclude that there is nothing unusual going on with the electrolysis as such in the cases of Meyer and Puharich. The most important thing, IMHO, is how to get the power, not so much how to perform the electrolysis as efficient as possible.

If you're interested in my theory, you can check my article over here:
Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

I am very, very confident this theory is correct, not only because of the similarities between the three inventors I investigated, but because it can also be explained from the ground up.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Secound Part

This is the secound part, and thank you for your comments. If anybody would like to put this into a PDF form please do so as I have very little time.

This is not theory, this IS how it is done and was done quite some years ago, too many years ago, in a few months I will be 60, I hope I will have a good few more years and as so please do not ask me for full working circuits and diagrams, as from what I have given here I know many in this forum that could build this with their eyes closed.

Mike

[carbideTip]

Look into Steve Meyer.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Look into Steve Meyer.

Thank you for putting this into a pdf, the Steve Meyer is reference to what?


Mike

[Farrah Day]

Hi Mike

So you're suggesting no ionisation takes place at all, but instead that the OH bonds are fractured cleanly into oxygen and hydrogen...

I'm just curious as to how you factor in that Meyer's tubes were related to half or quarter wavelength, when 5KHz is the frequency that tends to be banded about with respect to his WFC. And of course the fact that the length of Meyers tubes you would dictate frequencies in excess of 150MHz even for 1/4 wavelength.

This is not theory, this IS how it is done and was done quite some years ago, too many years ago,

Who did this Mike? Any references?

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi Mike

So you're suggesting no ionisation takes place at all, but instead that the OH bonds are fractured cleanly into oxygen and hydrogen...

I'm just curious as to how you factor in that Meyer's tubes were related to half or quarter wavelength, when 5KHz is the frequency that tends to be banded about with respect to his WFC. And of course the fact that the length of Meyers tubes you would dictate frequencies in excess of 150MHz even for 1/4 wavelength.



Who did this Mike? Any references?

What is banded about as frequencies and what is used are two totally different things. Two frequency bands that work are VHF and UHF, I think that will give you a reasonable tube (antenna) length, you could go up to the micro wave band but that would generate heat which is not what you want, well not in this case, we are not cooking anything here (pun intended)

Mike

[Farrah Day]

Well, you attempted to answer at least one question, which is more than you normally do, so I guess I should be grateful for that and call it a day!

[lamare]

This is the secound part, and thank you for your comments. If anybody would like to put this into a PDF form please do so as I have very little time.

This is not theory, this IS how it is done and was done quite some years ago, too many years ago, in a few months I will be 60, I hope I will have a good few more years and as so please do not ask me for full working circuits and diagrams, as from what I have given here I know many in this forum that could build this with their eyes closed.

Mike

IMHO, you are very close to how things are, even though I don't agree with the part about the ion bonds being fractured, but first this. With respect to the resonance frequencie, some very good points have been made here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post111120

Now about the ion fracturing. A part of the water molecules fractures naturally:
pH - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A solution whose pH is 7 (at 25 °C (77 °F)) is said to be neutral, that is, it is neither acidic nor basic. Water is subject to a self-ionization process.

H2O is in equilibrium with H+ + OH−

The dissociation constant, KW, has a value of about 10–14, so in neutral solution of a salt both the hydrogen ion concentration and hydroxide ion concentration are about 10-7 mol dm-3

So, there is always a certain concentration of H+ and OH- ions in the water. And since these are charged particles, these are the ones most susceptible to excitation using electric fields. And once these start moving because of the presence of an electric field that happens to match the acoustic resonance frequency of the fluid within the space of your tubes, you get these sound waves inside the fluid, which not only produce sound but also create ion currents in the water, because the ions in there are the molecules being dragged back and forth with the electric field applied to the water using your tubes.

So, in order to get this really working, the accoustic resonance of the water and therefore the ions in there should match the resonance frequency of your "charging chokes". So, these are not really chokes (HF killers) but resonators. Resonators that should resonate electrically at the same frequency your water resonates accousically. And all this should resonate in harmony with eachother...

And then you have everything tied together, if you make sure you get the right resonance mode in your coils as well.

So, IMHO, you get the power from the electric field the way Gray, Meyer and Puharich did all basically the same and you couple that into your water by coupling that power in there to make it resonate and therefore induce ion currents in the water, which eventually results in normal Farday-like electrolysis inside your fluid. The presence of any salts in the solution can influence not only the effectiveness of the electrolysis, but also of the resonance frequency (according to Puharich).

[nvisser]

Heterodyning

Some of you might find this document interesting.
I always wondered how it could be used and it looks like this is it.

[lamare]

Some of you might find this document interesting.
I always wondered how it could be used and it looks like this is it.

Definately! Thanks a lot. Uploaded a pdf version here:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Mat...ers_of_Phi.pdf

Is the Phi distribution of frequencies/wavelengths analogous
to the growth patterns of trees and other living things... because it is optimal for
accumulating and translating energy from across the frequency spectrum? This
question led to a brainstorm which resulted in the following illustration of what
living things might be doing, and what we might need to do to construct a
"coherer" of PHI-related frequencies and energies

[Aaron]

apply the information

Thanks Mike for some excellent insight!

------------------------------------------

This thread is started by Mike to offer his explanation based on his personal
EXPERIENCE and RESULTS and not just writing about it. If he says it isn't
just some theory, it should be obvious what that means.

IMHO, Mike ALREADY knows how his own systems works.

Anyone asking who did this completely ignores his posts that addressed
that in the other threads.

I think we owe it to him in this thread to focus on what he is telling us
instead of second guessing his EXPERIENCE and RESULTS.

So I think we owe it to Mike to discuss the
actual method he is talking about and lay out some ideas on how to
implement it. It does seem pretty straightforward and there are plenty
of qualified people here that can see what he is writing for what it is and
apply it.