None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Here is a circuit of a typical linear amp, the output will have to be balance with a parallel resonant circuit.

I have found that a MRF 646 would give up to 40w at UHF but will have to have some circuit changes

FlashWebHost.com - 50 Watt LINEAR AMPLIFIER.

Mike

[ZeroMassInertia]

I have a few questions concerning the RF fracture cell , if we are to use a catalyst in the water that feeds the ultrasonic fogger will it damage the fogger also can the RF effect the electronics of the fogger.
IMHO after a period of operation the cell will purge itself of atmospheric gases. Just how well will the cell function, can we expect to see atomic or diatomic hydrogen and oxygen. Can anyone speculate on the reactions that can occur if we were to reintroduce the atmospheric gases back into the cell.

[nvisser]

vco POS-100+ VOLTAGE CONT OSC / RoHS $16.95 1 IN STOCK $16.95
vco POS-765+ VOLTAGE CONT OSC / RoHS $19.95 1 IN STOCK $19.95
Total $36.90
These units are much cheaper. They look like pcb mount units unlike the ZX95-200-S+ and ZX95-625A that are loose items.
It seems like they are similar in function but this one has not got an output connector.

[Duncan]

It seems like saw resonators are not the preferred choice. I also cannot find ones that has frequencies 6x exactly apart and they need to be used with a resonant circuit. They are dirt cheap though
It looks like the voltage controlled oscillators will be much easier.
K-POS 2+ kit consist of 7 kits which include POS200+ and POS765+ which will be the correct voltage controlled oscillators to use. Then we can use 100 and 600Mhz.

Hi Nvisser – from the general picture or understanding I have getting chips and circuitry to oscillate at VHF or UHF is easy and cheap. But (and It’s a very big but) we want a sine wave.
Now I hate to go back to this guy Fourier because he gives me a bloody head ache but he’s done all the sums on waveforms. Basically he’s telling us that the sine wave is made up “a composite” if you like of every other possible wave form.
in practice of course “perfect” Isn’t possible but we have to get bloody close or this won’t work.
Hence incidentally the cost of these linear amplifiers is explained you are actually after a bit of kit that gives you EXACTLY the same waveform (your sine wave) at the output as you put in but obviously with a lot more power. In other words it has to be able to amplify every possible frequency over a wide spectrum faithfully (hence the RF guys calling these things linear), No push pull amps or any of that bull**** allowed here. Pure crisp sine wave we want.
When I say perfect isn’t possible imagine a square wave can it actually go from +10 to -10volts in zero time? of course not. But we assume it does.(and so does the maths) and so does this guy YouTube - Sine Wave to Square Wave using Fourier Series
Because this “chunk” is missing in the maths I have become suspicious of it and that’s why I mused on the the linear wave and skipped the yagi beam question in an earlier post.After all if you want to hide something put it in the long grass. and cover it over

[Duncan]

I have a few questions concerning the RF fracture cell , if we are to use a catalyst in the water that feeds the ultrasonic fogger will it damage the fogger also can the RF effect the electronics of the fogger.
IMHO after a period of operation the cell will purge itself of atmospheric gases. Just how well will the cell function, can we expect to see atomic or diatomic hydrogen and oxygen. Can anyone speculate on the reactions that can occur if we were to reintroduce the atmospheric gases back into the cell.

Remember the Clip of Stan saying – use tap water, use sea water, use snow ect ect?
Not required…Kiss Oh and the fogger I think it might have been tried and tested!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

I have a few questions concerning the RF fracture cell , if we are to use a catalyst in the water that feeds the ultrasonic fogger will it damage the fogger also can the RF effect the electronics of the fogger.
IMHO after a period of operation the cell will purge itself of atmospheric gases. Just how well will the cell function, can we expect to see atomic or diatomic hydrogen and oxygen. Can anyone speculate on the reactions that can occur if we were to reintroduce the atmospheric gases back into the cell.

I will try and answer your questions, first good ultrasonic transducers have a very thin coating of gold so as impurities do not eat away the transducer. Secound most of the RF is absorbed by the water at the frequencies we are talking about and the transducer is submerged below the water line. A fine spray system can be used instead, such as heated water "steam". Third, the breaking will form atomic H and O but will look to bond with another H or O and form H2 and O2 so the only gases you get out are those. Finally if air is in the system you will get no chemical bonding at this level, you will just get air mixed with the H2 and O2.

Maybe in the future I will explain how we can bond N2 with H2 and O2, but here in this thread it is down to basics of splitting water into H2 and O2, so please keep on track for doing this and building up the equipment required so as at least one person has a replication and I hope a lot more, lets learn to walk before we run, all will fall into place.

Mike

[DrStiffler]

I will try and answer your questions, first good ultrasonic transducers have a very thin coating of gold so as impurities do not eat away the transducer. Secound most of the RF is absorbed by the water at the frequencies we are talking about and the transducer is submerged below the water line. A fine spray system can be used instead, such as heated water "steam". Third, the breaking will form atomic H and O but will look to bond with another H or O and form H2 and O2 so the only gases you get out are those. Finally if air is in the system you will get no chemical bonding at this level, you will just get air mixed with the H2 and O2.

Maybe in the future I will explain how we can bond N2 with H2 and O2, but here in this thread it is down to basics of splitting water into H2 and O2, so please keep on track for doing this and building up the equipment required so as at least one person has a replication and I hope a lot more, lets learn to walk before we run, all will fall into place.

Mike

GOLD, interesting, might like to read this

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[Michael John Nunnerley]

GOLD, interesting, might like to read this

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A very interesting article, but I do not think it has anything to do with this as a simple spray system creating a fine mist also works, although there is a significant increase of hydrogen and oxygen from vapour, I put this down to enhanced surface area of the water molecule, as has been shown under tests. All the same it is very very interesting.

Mike

[Aaron]

ZX95-200-S+ and ZX95-625A

Mini-Circuits RF/IF Designer's Guide and UHF oscillator using Mini-Circuits' POS-400+ chip for consideration

I did start to build Dr. Stiffler's circuit in LTSpice IV. The program didn't even
have a transistor! Guess I have to download those and add them. In any
case, I made some progress with at least laying it partially out and selecting the
components but can see that it has an instruction manual for a reason.

But if I can do an easier job with this kind of circuit, I'd rather do that.
Like Dr. Stiffler said, nobody is going to build his the same. The Ainslie
circuit experiments is the closest I ever saw to open source standardization
and any hopes of getting anywhere near a "standard" for that circuit are
probably nil to none.

@Mike - have you found a source for these?
"The ZX95-200-S+ and ZX95-625A will give you the two frequencies you need and the bonus is they are variable through a wide range, total cost 87.90usd."

I only find a bunch of data sheets and most sites are overseas.

[nvisser]

Aaron
Go do a model search on Mini-Circuits RF/IF Designer's Guide

[Aaron]

ZX95-200-S+ and ZX95-625A

Minicircuits.com has these modules for sale.

I can find the ZX95-625A+ but not just 625A.
Will it work anyway?


And the ZX95-200-S+, I can only find the ZX95-200+ and not 200-S+
Will that work anyway too?

(links above are for data sheets)

[nvisser]

I can't see why not.
If you go to view data it give you all the frequencies at different voltages.
I mailed their support department with some questions and will report back once I get an answer.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Aaron they are in Brooklyn, NY

Mini-Circuits : Domestic Representative Locator

Mike

[Duncan]

I’ve got 8 weeks delivery lucky guys in the US! If you want a nut and bolt in the UK now it seems it has to be imported. Might try and go with POS 200+ and POS 765+ at least they have one of those here.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

A little advice

@All

Before rushing and buying anything, I advise that you buy the two VCO's as a 50ohm cable connection as these are very delicate to solder onto a board, also if you look at the output you will see that they are in the very low mW range and as so will have to have an amplification even before the power amplifier. This is not complicated but will have to be made, so you will have a two stage linear amplifier.

I have a dBm-volts-watts conversion table which will give the output voltage and wattage if anybody requires it.

Mike