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[Duncan]

Duncan, you are doing a great job but you can look for 135mhz and 810mhz this will be a lot easier as they are standards and should be cheaper.

Mike

glad you said that because I was just writing this... Just looking to see what 120Mhz is used for these days with a view to sourcing the TX amps from whatever it was (I’m sure you follow the logic) In the UK and most of Europe It seems for quite a long time to have been redundant and disputed Old TV channels, (not much harm to be done there) and I guess that’s when you experimented. No longer! I don’t like the look of this Aircraft emergency frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to close for comfort I should say.
Feels a bit iffy to be trying to source a linear TX amp in the center of what is now a closely monitored International “aircraft emergency
Channel”. I would guess if a few squeaks of RF were to escape, the triangulation, and retribution would be professionally swift and expensive...
Perhaps move our 120 MHz fundamental? A little bit out of harms way, and recalculate the x6, after all there’s bound to be the very best of super sensitive gear monitoring around that particular frequency world wide now. Seems the military are responsible for this frequency …the times have changed

[Michael John Nunnerley]

glad you said that because I was just writing this... Just looking to see what 120Mhz is used for these days with a view to sourcing the TX amps from whatever it was (I’m sure you follow the logic) In the UK and most of Europe It seems for quite a long time to have been redundant and disputed Old TV channels, (not much harm to be done there) and I guess that’s when you experimented. No longer! I don’t like the look of this Aircraft emergency frequency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to close for comfort I should say.
Feels a bit iffy to be trying to source a linear TX amp in the center of what is now a closely monitored International “aircraft emergency
Channel”. I would guess if a few squeaks of RF were to escape, the triangulation, and retribution would be professionally swift and expensive...
Perhaps move our 120 MHz fundamental? A little bit out of harms way, and recalculate the x6, after all there’s bound to be the very best of super sensitive gear monitoring around that particular frequency world wide now. Seems the military are responsible for this frequency …the times have changed

Thats right, the 135 and 810mhz is not a problem as it is in the radio HAM areas and civil communication "900mhz" CB etc and there is plenty of modules in these areas at good prices. Keep up the good work

Mike

[nvisser]

Conical WFC container

Mike
While we all are looking for amps etc. could you maybe shed some light on to the WFC.
Must it be a container that we will put under some kind of pressure, like a modified LP gas container. Or do we have to built a conical one out of stainless steel.
I imagine the water level will have to be controlled by a little float level and a solenoid.
Is this sort of setup safe? Like it would not explode because of the RF radiation.
It would be good to start building the container and antennas while we decide what electronic modules to use.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Mike
While we all are looking for amps etc. could you maybe shed some light on to the WFC.
Must it be a container that we will put under some kind of pressure, like a modified LP gas container. Or do we have to built a conical one out of stainless steel.
I imagine the water level will have to be controlled by a little float level and a solenoid.
Is this sort of setup safe? Like it would not explode because of the RF radiation.
It would be good to start building the container and antennas while we decide what electronic modules to use.

You would not believe what we made the original out of!!!!!!!! A grade 1 copper hot water cylinder made for me in a smaller size.

At that time I had a supplier who used to make cylinders for my heat exchanger system for pressurized hot water for homes in the UK, they were designed for a max of 4 bar. This is a replication for proof of concept, don't worry too much about pressure at this point, although whatever vapour is in the container of this size will be broken into its constitual gases instantly.

What you need is a container of about 12" in diameter and 24" high, don't worry about the shape at this point, it will still work. You could use a plastic of some form as long as it does not absorb RF, and you would have to put a wire mesh to form a faraday cage around ALL of it, so metal would be a better choice.

I will stick my neck out here and say that there is no problem of the RF igniting the gases, there should be no discharge. Remember that the antennas can be totally insulated with a plastic which does not absorb RF waves. A test for this is to put a piece of plastic with a separate cup of water in a microwave oven, if the plastic gets warm it absorbs, if it doesn't it will not absorb, a very simple test.

Mike

[nvisser]

So a 20 pound LP gas container could work. I am not sure if it is safe to grind it open. And then install all and re weld it. There must be easier ways. Old high pressure geyser?
Going back to the safety aspect.
This guys has done it with RF and salt water, but obviously did not use heterodyning.
I am not sure if I understand it correctly but it sounds like in their experiments the H2 started burning directly after splitting?
They do say "The salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances. The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies."
I must understand it wrong.
John Kanzius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Duncan]

I have this for a consideration VHF 146Mhz UHF 876Mhz 146Mhz right on the edge of the Ham band, This puts the x6 at 876Mhz (which is on a now obsolete ETACS frequency) check your own loc for this band though. not that anything is going to escape the bucket at that frequency, never mind get anywhere much!
This would make the VCOs

ZX95-200A+
ZX95-924A+ (check these please)
The Motorola UHF 85Y12 is still well in range at 876Meg and common enough.
Because of the 146Meg option the commercial MHW612 amongst a lot of others becomes an option and I suggest we borrow this circuit MHW 612 I can source 5 MHW612s here in the UK and a few mins on the www gives a supplier with 50+ in the US.
Might need buffers? But unless anyone can see a simpler way.
Talking about buckets... why not? A bucket I mean … adapt a metal bucket KISS

[nvisser]

Like this .LOL
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[Michael John Nunnerley]

Like this .LOL
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If you can make a top for it , it would work, why not

Mike

[Duncan]

Like this .LOL
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Yeh why not Its about the right size even the right shape weld a ring around the top, drill it, gasket and a flat plate on top, Jobs done KISS if you can!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

I have this for a consideration VHF 146Mhz UHF 876Mhz 146Mhz right on the edge of the Ham band, This puts the x6 at 876Mhz (which is on a now obsolete ETACS frequency) check your own loc for this band though. not that anything is going to escape the bucket at that frequency, never mind get anywhere much!
This would make the VCOs

ZX95-200A+
ZX95-924A+ (check these please)
The Motorola UHF 85Y12 is still well in range at 876Meg and common enough.
Because of the 146Meg option the commercial MHW612 amongst a lot of others becomes an option and I suggest we borrow this circuit MHW 612 I can source 5 MHW612s here in the UK and a few mins on the www gives a supplier with 50+ in the US.
Might need buffers? But unless anyone can see a simpler way.
Talking about buckets... why not? A bucket I mean … adapt a metal bucket KISS

I will check tomorrow and let you know

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

So a 20 pound LP gas container could work. I am not sure if it is safe to grind it open. And then install all and re weld it. There must be easier ways. Old high pressure geyser?
Going back to the safety aspect.
This guys has done it with RF and salt water, but obviously did not use heterodyning.
I am not sure if I understand it correctly but it sounds like in their experiments the H2 started burning directly after splitting?
They do say "The salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances. The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies."
I must understand it wrong.
John Kanzius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am not sure what frequencies he was using, or how they were modulated, but maybe he was using AM of a frequency difference of X6 with the carrier, which is reminicent of Puharich. The gas had to be lit.

Curious that the patent application can't be found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike

[nvisser]

This looks like some patents

john Kanzuis - Google Patent Search

[Duncan]

john Kanzuis - Google Patent Search

I have no doubt at all this will work –I’ve seen it before. I worked once In a spa town in the shire’s In a place with a lot of strange antenna’s, I remember watching a puddle of cold water decompose In front of my eyes, I now know why
KeelyNET: Dr. Andrija Puharich's Vibratory Method -- Vibrations that Split Molecules produce Energy | MERLib.org note the x6 ratio! and regard Keely and his 48 khz (also a 6 ratio) and this starts to make sense Doctor X Water Dissociation Note the frequency was set to step automatically and I wouldn’t mind betting 48 kHz and x6 was involved, there was 700W involved here, and I suppose if you were to make a stab at more efficient frequencies downward perhaps? Still put a nice lid on your bucket!!! just in case
PS I wonder how Keely would know he was at 48Khz or anything else in 1890?

[Michael John Nunnerley]

I have no doubt at all this will work –I’ve seen it before. I worked once In a spa town in the shire’s In a place with a lot of strange antenna’s, I remember watching a puddle of cold water decompose In front of my eyes, I now know why
KeelyNET: Dr. Andrija Puharich's Vibratory Method -- Vibrations that Split Molecules produce Energy | MERLib.org note the x6 ratio! and regard Keely and his 48 khz (also a 6 ratio) and this starts to make sense Doctor X Water Dissociation Note the frequency was set to step automatically and I wouldn’t mind betting 48 kHz and x6 was involved, there was 700W involved here, and I suppose if you were to make a stab at more efficient frequencies downward perhaps? Still put a nice lid on your bucket!!! just in case
PS I wonder how Keely would know he was at 48Khz or anything else in 1890?

All interesting stuff and I can quite believe some of it. The part that does not bide with me is the frequencies being low, but for me the important thing is the split frequencies.

VLF very low frequencies were used as communication with subs under water, this was a tech: that I had something to do with at Marconi where it was developed. VLF pass through water, but VHF and UHF vibrate the water molecules and of course micro waves vibrate so much that they heat the water. Well I have proved that using two distinct frequencies, X6, apart create a designer set of frequencies with an infinite space between which breaks the back, so to say, of the H and O bond. I think that it now has become clear to many that this is real.

I have carried this around for too long and now it has to come to light. Many in the past have touched this but not understood it, I for one am still learning as it is a complex thing to get your head around, BUT IT WORKS.

Mike

[Duncan]

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