None Electrolytic Splitting Of H2o

[Vickers]

Hey Mike.. Imagine how different this world be if there was a buck to be made by patenting nature. Sad but true
I like and understand what say. Micro size the process make it more efficient.
Lot of power in one drop.
Heres a heads up for the backyarders. Some car horns have a screw to adjust frequency. Mostly the older ones.

[nvisser]

I ordered some 85y12's today from here.
Motorola SHW5151 UHF Amplifier Module 5W 700-900MHz,New - eBay (item 150207117776 end time Nov-02-10 08:58:03 PDT)
The shipping cost is low.
They also got some very cheap VCO,s in their store so I ordered 2 of them.
Z-COMM VCO 700MHz-1200MHz, V502BMS1, MINI-14H - eBay (item 160408020880 end time Oct-22-10 18:58:07 PDT)
and
Z-COMM VCO 104MHz-176MHz, V140MC01, MINI-14S - eBay (item 160408130880 end time Oct-23-10 06:16:04 PDT)
The VHF VCO only got a output of 4.5dBm though.
It's a start at least as there won't be much funds left after my Bedini conference trip!!
Any of you guys coming?

I collected this stuff today from the post office!! Only 16 days by unregistered post to South Africa.
It is so small. The little VCO's are the size of my pinkie nail and the uhf amp ic the size of half a pinkie.
It is going to be a challenge putting this things together on a circuit board.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

be careful

I collected this stuff today from the post office!! Only 16 days by unregistered post to South Africa.
It is so small. The little VCO's are the size of my pinkie nail and the uhf amp ic the size of half a pinkie.
It is going to be a challenge putting this things together on a circuit board.

Be careful with these, static can KILL these items, soldering is an art for these. Proper circuit board design is very important and must be doble sided with the other side as the ground

Mike

[nvisser]

True. I will not attempt to put it together before I did not do a lot of homework. I got all the data on it that tells how to solder and load the vco's.
I will first submit a pcb design for your approval and corrections before building this thing.
I am still waiting for the vhf amp. I think all this will only happen after the conference. So I will have a chance to talk to you first.

[Duncan]

Nvisser -we both there seek me out, I'm off to have a look at mike's other thread

[Harvey]

Use a Bucket? What bloody idiot suggested that? Don’t go there, too weak and looks bloody awful! I refuse to post a picture of this mangled abortion!
If you’ve got a heavy duty one that cows kick around or a thing like this Heavy Duty Tar Bucket - Screwfix.com, Where the Trade Buys … perhaps …Meanwhile I’ll have to settle down and do the job properly.
Still bits arriving in dribs and drabs in the mean time and perhaps pertinent I include the link to Mr. Charles Cameron’s patent. It’s a bit of a chew to get through but I include it a/ because he’s operating up and around the same frequency that Mike has directed our efforts to. His description of the RF tubes like Meyer and Puharich’s is vague (you can’t blame these guys they hoped to make a few $s out of their efforts but thanks to Mike we now know that bit!)
And perhaps more interestingly b/ His claim to have a simplified system to separate the Hydrogen and Oxygen for consumption ON DEMAND using what seems to be an adaptation of the fracturing method Mike has enlightened us with, and so It could I suggest possibly withstand further investigation and thought. I haven’t digested it all yet (its hard work for a wooden top), but I feel sure it’s pertinent.
Perhaps one of the chemist types would be so kind as to enlighten me on a possible composition of component 34 Systems for the decomposition of water Doesn’t the last sentence say it all?”an electromagnetic shield through which paramagnetic molecules can pass while diamagnetic molecules are deflected therefrom”
Super if it works and I feel I’m on the right forum to ask!!

Hi Duncan, it would seem that item 34 is a permeable material of which the passages through the material are too small for combined water molecules to flow through, but large enough for Oxygen (or perhaps O2) to flow through from the outside in. This tube then connects with a manifold to extract the Oxygen gas. One end of the tube is closed so there is a single exit. RGP (Rigid Gas Permeable) contact lenses are an example of a material that would exhibit this characteristic. Also, you may see this:
Preparation and characterization of oxygen permeable membrane of SrFeCu0.2Ox

Hope that helps

[Duncan]

True. I will not attempt to put it together before I did not do a lot of homework. I got all the data on it that tells how to solder and load the vco's.
I will first submit a pcb design for your approval and corrections before building this thing.
I am still waiting for the vhf amp. I think all this will only happen after the conference. So I will have a chance to talk to you first.

Hi Nvisser I bought 2 Micronetics M3500-0510TR VCOs on eBay simply because they were in range and dirt cheap, Micronetics | RF Components: M3500C VCO Series I don’t really intend using either as I’ve got the mini circuits equiv (which is better for me) however if you’d like one I’ll bring one to the conference for you with pleasure and gratis

[nvisser]

That will be cool thank you. As I will probably blew some of mine.
Have you got the Ebay link so I can see what they look like. The link you provided only shows data.
Thanks
Vissie

[Duncan]

That will be cool thank you. As I will probably blew some of mine.
Have you got the Ebay link so I can see what they look like. The link you provided only shows data.
Thanks
Vissie

RF VCO MC3500C-0510T 500-1000MHz Micronetics 1PCS NEW on eBay (end time 24-Oct-10 15:51:52 BST) about 20mm sq in fact the mm are on a download at the bottom & the pin outs save that some where you'll need it!

[nvisser]

I found a PDF with a RF pre amp design that is about the same as the pre amp using the BRF93 transistor. It could give us an idea how to do the pcb.
You will notice that Rf layouts are not very neat.
http://www.carc.org.uk/pdf/Archive_014.pdf

[Duncan]

I found a PDF with a RF pre amp design that is about the same as the pre amp using the BRF93 transistor. It could give us an idea how to do the pcb.
You will notice that Rf layouts are not very neat.
http://www.carc.org.uk/pdf/Archive_014.pdf

Think thats rough vissie ... you aint seen nothing yet.. Having said that all the ground plane is all worked out and it could well suit our inter job Anyway for a fiver I’ve just snaffled this on eBay Broadband RF amplifier Teleste TYPE ADA 338 47-860MHZ on eBay (end time 31-Oct-10 20:20:43 GMT)
With a bit of luck it will do the matching job (if it works) the less I’ve got to get involved with UHF the better I haven’t got the gear to see it! I know a man who has but I’ve got to go a lot of miles and grovel…

[Michael John Nunnerley]

For those at the US conference

@ All

For those that will be at the US conference next week, I will be there with a full circuit diagram of all the electronics and an explination of the rest of the system.

I have designed a complete circuit for the RF which can be made from a circuit board and electronic components without buying VCO's etc. This circuit can also have added a PLL to maintain the exact frequencies required with their spacings.

I have decided to do this as parts do seem to be getting slim on the ground and the price going up. This involves good electronic RF technique when building but it is not that complicated and uses all parts that can be found easly.

I will at some time be available for questions on this subject.

Mike

[nvisser]

That is great news Mike.
I hope you could also explain how to put the vco,s , pre amps and amps together on a pcb for those who already got them.

[Duncan]

Sounds like you’ve gone to a lot of trouble Mike Thank you!. Bits are still arriving Nice Maas PSU arrived this Morning. It looks like Which ever way we go it’s a careful thoughtful procedure. Still if you’ve worked out a “better way” then I’d be stupid not to try and incorporate it.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

That is great news Mike.
I hope you could also explain how to put the vco,s , pre amps and amps together on a pcb for those who already got them.

Yes I can do that as long as you bring the spec sheets with you as it seems that different people have bought different parts.

Thinking now and a little late I know, I should have put a kit together of parts so as all are the same. The problem was finding parts which were very available and at a good price and still in production which people could put together without technical ability.

This is going to change as I will put together the electronics in one box at a price which is cost of material and time of construction. The actual fuel cell may be made by another, that way the whole does not come from one person and the final assembly will be down to you, and not complicated.

This is one way of putting a product out into the market without getting problems from the powers that be. My problem is I can't put a finished product into the market place without getting clobbered in one way or other.

Mike