Electrolysis Accelerator

[Mookie]

Several years ago, I grew tired of building electrolysis cells of various design,
concluding that they are all more or less the same, in that, at 12 volts
you simply cant build a cell to output much more than 1 litre/minute.
So I took a different approach, from a different perspective.

I reasoned that if I were able to create what's known as "electron avalanche"
inside an electrolysis cell via resonating electrode plates
I would, in turn, accelerate the electrolysis process.

It took 2 years, and hundreds of hours rethinking, rebuilding and retesting
in order to succeed. So here it is ..and its plainly as simple as it looks.

An accelerator that can run all day, quite capable of increasing the output
of any electrolysis cell by an order of magnitude of 10 to 15 times.

Mookie

YouTube - Electrolysis Accelerator

[sigzidfit]

Interesting Demonstration

Maybe a stupid question, but...

After that experiment, can you take the lid off the jar and light that milky looking water on fire?

[lamare]

As far as I can tell, this effect is caused by creating acoustic resonance between the electrolyser plates, which means the ions inside the fluid move back and forth in the rythm of the acoustic resonance, because the resonance is being induced by your voltage source. So, you basically get a current *inside* you fluid...

See my article at Pes: Article:Free Electric Energy in Theory and Practice - PESWiki

[sebosfato]

Hello Mookie,

just few questions:

Is that 304 electrodes?

Is your accelerator a coil, driven by the transformer (variac)? If not what is it?

How much energy is going into the "accelerator"? (volts, amps, power factor)

How much current is going in the cell with and without the accelerator?

A very loud noise can be heard, 60hz like... seems like you are using a big power into your accelerator... does the unity produce more gas than the energy you are inputting into the system? Compared to faraday? I mean are you getting more than 0,5 liter of gas/h per watt/h?

Are you using 60hz on the accelerator? Have you tried to use other frequencies on the accelerator?

Thanks for showing your device...

Best Regards

[SilverToGold]

Without more details, perhaps what is happening is that the mechanical shaking of the plates are freeing the air bubbles on the plate's surface to allow more current flow - ie more gas production. Since air bubbles on the plate's surface obviously will limit the production of gas and restrict current flow by increasing resistance.

If you measure the current flow from your plate power supply, and the current (or more properly, it's power output - I & V) does not change but the gas volume does increase when your accelerator is turned on, then that would disprove my hypothesis.

[sigzidfit]

Well, hopefully Mookie will come back and answer questions..until then..those interested can find a description of the device and principals of operation in Mookies posts in other threads.

Here's one with some description: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post94116

Brings to mind this:Ryushin Omasa ( Ohmasa ) Water Fuel

This also uses vibrations to enhance electrolysis. However I don't recall magnetic resonance being the source of the agitation like Mookie is claiming with his accelerator.

Peace
PJ

[Mookie]

Firstly I want to congratulate Sucahyo on his Stingo circuit discovery. A great accomplishment.
Although I have no personal application for it, its terrific to see new things happening in this forum.

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Sig
Yes I have lit the output gas without a lid on the cell and completely blew apart the (plastic) container.
I will never do that again. The "milky looking water "as you describe it, is made up of a huge amount
of oxygen/hydrogen bubbles that are miniscule in size as compared to the bubbles produced with
a cell running in normal conditions...the cell appears to be supersaturated with escaping bubbles,
and as fast as they leave the cell...they cant leave fast enough.

Lamere
I appreciate your observations, but the plate resonance is not acoustic and the ions do not move back and forth.
The movement occurs along the magnetic field lines. You can visibly see that, but not in the vid clip
..because of the poor quality resolution of the vid.

Seb
The electrodes are martensitic ss ..and must be so for obvious reasons.The accelerator itself is a monstrously powerful
industrial AC/DC E-core electromagnet. The one in the vid has a pull strength of just under a half ton (963 lbs).
Its operates at 7.5 amps at 120 volts AC. The variac transformer regulates 0-140 volts AC and is rated for 7.5 amps output
and is required for 3 reasons. Firstly, to regulate the rate of acceleration, secondly to keep my glass test cells from smashing.
I went thru a dozen glass jars because they simply cant handle an instant start-up at 120 volts. The magnetic force is too great.
A regular properly-built (non glass) cell works just fine at instant full power. And thirdly, to watch the dynamics that visibly occur
at different voltages. The amp draw of the cell is not at all affected at any time.. with or without the electromagnet.
Yes 60hz is correct...but that has no bearing on the resonance of the plates. Resonance is caused by, and is dependant on,
the strength of the electromagnet, which is driven by the current as more voltage is applied to it. That is why this is so simple.
...But for anyone unfamiliar with a voltage regulator, you can get away without one with a well-built cell.


Silver
You may be partially correct but I really wont be discussing anything about what is actually happening unless its
with those who have also built one for themselves. There are things going on in the cell that I haven't mentioned,
that are just fantastic to see, but I would be quite happy to answer any questions as to how to make one.
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Since this vid, I am using a much differently configured cell and electromagnet which is a bit more complicated,
but my very first one consisted of 2 ss screws in a Crazy Glue container with a small toriod AC electromagnet.
Anyone can make one of those.

But let me go on record ...I am not claiming anything ..I'm sharing it.
If no one finds it interesting ..I will quietly disappear..so fire away.

Mookie

[nvisser]

This is so cool
Did you do tests to see if you get over unity on a generator.
7.5 amps at 120 volts AC on the electromagnet is already 900W.
Do you get enough hydroxy out on a proper cell to recover this 900W.
Could you give some pointer on constructing the electromagnet?
Like wire size ,toroid size and number of turns

[RAMSET]

Sir,
This Is wonderful!!
You are a true humanitarian!!,could you please share more specific info on your accelerator?
Enough to do a replication?
The magnet [perhaps a mfg or part #]
The regulator also.
You seem to have a very nice working setup,I would like to start from scratch
to have the most accurate replication.


I most definately will replicate and share all here!!

thank you
Chet

PS
Mookie see also post 147
Here

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...rolyser-5.html

[Mookie]

Nvisser / Ramset

As far as overunity..that is something that I've never chased so I will leave that for others to answer.

I have never had the patience to wind my own electromagnet so I cant help you there.
I have always used either salvaged parts or hunted them down on places like EBay.
The one in the vid is similar to this one. They normally cost more than $350 new.
I highly recommend this electromagnet to anyone doing any project requiring a powerful magnet
They are made for continuous use and are properly constructed to not heat up.
I searched many suppliers for a long time before I purchased several of these from a seller named controlledautomation
who really know what they're doing. Personally, I would not buy one from anywhere else.

There are many places from which you can salvage AC electromagnets such as second hand "junk"stores
that sell electric drills, sanders, etc. The beauty of using these is that they are ready-made
and all have faceplate markings indicating voltage and amperage which is important to know.
I doubt that one would cost more than $5 / $10. ..That's a good inexpensive way to get started
on a small scale and do some testing.

As far as a voltage regulator you can call up "variac" on Ebay and look for an American-made autotransformer
ideally with a 10 amp output. If you're patient you can pick up a very good one for $30/$40.
Your transformer amp rating should be greater than the amp rating of your electromagnet.

Looking for some ss with magnetic properties for your electrodes? Go to your local hardware store with a small magnet
and pick up some "mending plates" in the section where they sell hinges, etc, and pick up a half dozen.

I'm just providing an inexpensive way for anyone to get started.
More than anything...I want people to have fun with this,
and discover things for themselves...

Mookie


Electromagnet MINE 889 (416 x 500).jpg

[nvisser]

Martensitic ss

I looked up martensitic ss and this was what I found.
410 SS which is a Martensitic grade SS
410 SS is not as hard as most 400 series SS alloys.(considered the hardest to weld)
It is used for springs, rulers, and filet knives.
Stainless Steel - Grade 410

[Mookie]

Nvisser

A 420, 430 or 431 stainless steel will work fine.
(most s.s. wall switchplates are made from this)

Mookie

[RAMSET]

Mookie
Quote:
A 420, 430 or 431 stainless steel will work fine.
(most s.s. wall switchplates are made from this)

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Ahhhhh ,now that will be easy[home depot] ,plus get many more folks into this "learning" part!

And the Magnet and regulator info is perfect!

GREAT
Thanks Mookie!!
Chet

[nvisser]

It is sad as most of us used 316L grade stainless steel in our previous electrolizers so we can't even test on them. They or non magnetic.
This wall switchplates are not available by us.

[Mookie]

Its always easier to understand a picture. This is the set up in the vid clip.

The electromagnet is an E-core magnet, meaning that with AC power (alternating current)
in one instance the 2 outsides of the magnet are North poles and the center is a South pole
in the next instance 2 outsides of the magnet are South poles and the center is a North pole.
(alternating current = alternating poles)

The cell electrode plates need to face the magnet as in this pic.
(the DC connection to the cell doesn't matter)

The larger the surface area of plates facing the electromagnet, the better.

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Nvisser

I encourage you to be creative.

Take a small magnet and look for things made of stainless steel that you can cut up to make electrode plates.
Where ever you live on this planet, you may run across an old toaster, electrical box cover, or look in a scrapyard
full of all kinds of items made of stainless steel with magnetic properties to use as plates.

Mookie