Electrolysis Accelerator

[stevie1001]

I can comment on the video, but not too much.
I made a promise to a certain person and i have to ask him permission before to give all details.

The Plates are SS430
Power to the plates: 5v by 1.3amps
AC magnetic field.
Tapwater with a drop of NAOH

Thats what Mookie said and thats what it is..


regards
Steve

[SeaMonkey]

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Nvisser

I encourage you to be creative.

Take a small magnet and look for things made of stainless steel that you can cut up to make electrode plates.
Where ever you live on this planet, you may run across an old toaster, electrical box cover, or look in a scrapyard
full of all kinds of items made of stainless steel with magnetic properties to use as plates.

Mookie

Excellent suggestion.

In fact, ordinary steel may be used for the Negative
Plate (Cathode) since the Hydrogen will protect it
from "rusting."

The Positive Plate (Anode) must be able to resist
oxidation so therefore one of the Stainless Steels
or Nickel Plated steel is needed there.

In order to produce the most powerful magnetic field
with the least amount of electrical power do not
forget Resonance. Determine how much capacitance
will be needed to make the Electromagnet resonate
at 60 Hz (or whatever frequency is used) and place
it in parallel to the electromagnet coil.

At resonance the combined coil/capacitor will present
a high impedance to the electrical source but will still
have within the resonant "loop" a very large circulating
current which will produce the needed intense magnetic
field. All while reducing the amount of electrical energy
needed to produce and sustain the magnetic field.

The result is less AC input power is needed to produce the
strong magnetic field.

Tesla used resonance wherever possible.

We may also use resonance where advantageous.

[Mookie]

This is my last post to the forum.


Last month I was offered a reasonable amount of money for the intellectual property rights to
a different version of this accelerator by an American research institute after demonstrating it to them.
No one knows me well enough to know what a relief it was for me to turn them down and remain a free man.
That is why I chose to make this earlier version public, here last week.

Have fun with it folks ..there is more to it than meets the eye.

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Steve

You are a man of your word. I wish to publicly thank you for keeping this confidential for the past 6 months.

It is for that reason that I have dropped all communication with regards to my work with everyone,
and in future will communicate only with you, and my one trusted colleague and friend
that I told you about some time ago.

You are aware of the wonderful project I am working on. I will remotely stay in touch with you,
with regard to it's progress, as time permits.

My plane leaves tomorrow afternoon.

Mookie

[vrand]

This is my last post to the forum.


Last month I was offered a reasonable amount of money for the intellectual property rights to
a different version of this accelerator by an American research institute after demonstrating it to them.
No one knows me well enough to know what a relief it was for me to turn them down and remain a free man.
That is why I chose to make this earlier version public, here last week.

Have fun with it folks ..there is more to it than meets the eye.

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Steve

You are a man of your word. I wish to publicly thank you for keeping this confidential for the past 6 months.

It is for that reason that I have dropped all communication with regards to my work with everyone,
and in future will communicate only with you, and my one trusted colleague and friend
that I told you about some time ago.

You are aware of the wonderful project I am working on. I will remotely stay in touch with you,
with regard to it's progress, as time permits.

My plane leaves tomorrow afternoon.

Mookie

Thanks again Mookie for sharing your interesting research and best of luck with your future ventures. Have a great flight tomorrow.
Mike

[Vickers]

This is my last post to the forum.


Last month I was offered a reasonable amount of money for the intellectual property rights to
a different version of this accelerator by an American research institute after demonstrating it to them.
No one knows me well enough to know what a relief it was for me to turn them down and remain a free man.
That is why I chose to make this earlier version public, here last week.

Have fun with it folks ..there is more to it than meets the eye.

.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...........................

Steve

You are a man of your word. I wish to publicly thank you for keeping this confidential for the past 6 months.

It is for that reason that I have dropped all communication with regards to my work with everyone,
and in future will communicate only with you, and my one trusted colleague and friend
that I told you about some time ago.

You are aware of the wonderful project I am working on. I will remotely stay in touch with you,
with regard to it's progress, as time permits.

My plane leaves tomorrow afternoon.

Mookie

LOL. Take the money and run dude. I would love to get cashed up for inventing an underwater door bell/buzzer

[RAMSET]

Mookie
God Speed brother!!
There are no words to describe this!!
All ,
Stevies replication page
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php...1.new.html#new
Chet

[sigzidfit]

Godspeed Mookie

[nvisser]

I am not questioning the results but as soon as anybody has a working replication, please run the gas through a see-through bubbler so that we could see the difference in gas production.
It will be a bit more convincing then foam that could be formed by the vibration.

[vrand]

I am not questioning the results but as soon as anybody has a working replication, please run the gas through a see-through bubbler so that we could see the difference in gas production.
It will be a bit more convincing then foam that could be formed by the vibration.

The latest theory is that an "air dryer" is better than a "water bubbler" in removing the water vapor in the HHO/"Brown's Gas".

The idea that since the HHO gas is an "electrically charged" gas, you do not want to "neutralize" the charges by grounding them in water. An air dryer takes out the water vapors in the gas and the "charged gas" then goes on into the engine combustion chamber to "charge" the intake air, then this mixture ignites from the spark plug, that pushes the piston down.

Here is a typical air dryer, with pressure regulator:
AIR FILTER FLOW REGULATOR AIR COMPRESSOR AIR TOOL AFR80 on eBay (end time 03-Dec-10 07:32:38 GMT)




Mike R.

[RAMSET]

Farrah
PRICELESS!!

From
THE DISSOCIATION OF THE WATER MOLECULE thread
Here OverUnity Research - Index



December 2010

The limitations of standard Faraday Electrolysis should be quite obvious to anyone and everyone that has taken the trouble to read and understand Faraday’s Laws of Electrolysis. After all, they couldn’t be much simpler. The amount of gases evolved under standard Faraday Electrolysis, is - and will always be - governed by the current through the cell/electrolyser. Even if we keep the voltage to the realistic optimum of around 2 volts per cell to initiate and maintain electrolysis, then we are still always limited by the current that can be drawn through the cell at this voltage. With the power dissipated equal to, P = V x I, or P = 2V x I, even at just two volts the high current required produces lots of wasted energy in the form of heat. Under these conditions, the current needed to produce enough gas to run an ICE becomes enormous, and indeed impossible to provide continuously via an on-demand vehicle system.

To electrolyse 1 litre of water (under ideal conditions of around 1.3 volts and 100% efficiency) requires 3.658kW of power per hour. Which, at 1.3 volts, equates to 2814 amps! This would provide 2038 litres of oxyhydrogen.

Now if you check out this link you will see where the problems lie:

YouTube - HYDROGEN - 524 LITERS PER MINUTE

This emphasises the very real limitations of so-called brute force, Faraday Electrolysis.

So, is there another way?

Well, it has been proven that for the same amount of power, Plasma Discharge Electrolysis produces more combustible gases than Faraday Electrolysis. I say, ‘combustible gases’, because the high temperatures created by plasma discharges do not just involve the creation of radical species H+ and OH-, but also OH2 and O, reacting to form not only hydrogen and oxygen, but also highly combustible hydrogen peroxide H2O2.

If you are aware of the work done by Dave Lawton, who was himself active on forums a few years back, you will know that he claimed to be achieving 3 – 4 times more gas evolution from his Meyer-like electrolyser than Faraday’s Electrolysis Laws state was possible. Of course Faraday’s Laws of Electrolysis were not at fault and still completely valid, so there had to be something else happening too. Back then there was much theorising, much controversy, and of course much wild speculation. But now, a few years on, things look a little different and the pieces of the puzzle are starting to fit nicely to show us glimpses of the big picture.

One thing that was a feature of Dave Lawton’s electrolyser design was that the tubular electrodes were ‘conditioned’. Conditioning is a term that is banded about quite a lot. For a long time it was considered a mysterious process, creating much speculation and debate, and indeed seen by some as a bit of a dark art. The problem was, that no one really knew what it was all about - how or why it apparently increased efficiency of the electrolyser - or indeed if it served any real purpose at all.

Further complications arise from the fact there seems to be two types of conditioning of the electrodes, or rather two interpretations. The first is that running an electrolyser at a low current for a few hours, allows iron in the surface of the electrodes to ‘leach’ out. That is, any microscopic areas of iron on the surface of the stainless steel electrodes, under working conditions will react with the oxygen being created to form rust. Now obviously if we are losing oxygen to the iron to form an oxide, then we evolve less oxygen as a gas, so certainly this will be seen as a reduction in gas output. When this iron reacts to form rust it usually leaves the surface of the SS electrodes to become a precipitate in the solution, and the chromium in the SS quickly acts to form a protective oxide coating. Once all the microscopic iron has been reacted, the chromium oxide coating on the SS surface does its job and prevents further reaction. So this form of condition makes sense and indeed is good practice.

However, Dave Lawton’s electrode conditioning goes a step further. By using hard water (that is water high in minerals) or indeed doping water with minerals, he built up a visible mineral coating, which consisted mainly of calcium carbonate, or scale. Water that is filtered through limestone is very mineral rich and ideal for producing this coating. But what does it do?

Well at the time, as I mentioned above, it was a mystery. But not so now.

Dave Lawton claimed that his cells appeared to glow slightly in the dark, producing some kind of luminescence. At the time, though interesting, not too much was made of this and little investigation or indeed real consideration was given to this phenomenon.

The interesting thing about this mineral coating was that, although it did not conduct electricity, having a non-measurable resistance on a digital multimeter and so effectively a great insulator, it was actually very porous.

What I know now, that no one realised at the time was that the luminescence was due to microscopic PLASMA DISCHARGES within the microscopic cavities of this porous mineral coating. And any apparent over-Faraday results were likely due to this phenomenon.

Now, CAVITATION produces similar results to plasma discharges in water due to the high temperatures and pressures created on a microscopic level but, unlike plasma discharges which are created by high currents, cavitation is induced mechanically by physical vibration.

So here’s the thing. Why not introduce all these elements into an electrolyser in order to – if possible – increase overall efficiency.

So here’s my idea: The Hybrid Electrolyser

An electrolyser that uses elements of Faraday Electrolysis, Plasma Discharge Electrolysis and Cavitation.

I’m currently designing and fabricating, but the current freezing cold spell is hampering me somewhat. However, I’ve attached a couple of my initial designs in order that you can see where I’m going with this.

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Farrah

It's what you learn after you think you know it all that really counts

[RAMSET]

Good news!!

Mookie @all, have a look ,

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...s-germany.html

Mookie ,
I'm gathering supplies to do a replication, I noticed you referred to "Magnetic mending plates" to user Yaro ,as a suggestion for better results [here ]Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve

I can't find any stainless magnetic mending plates?
Can you or Steve post a link ?
Or explain?
Thank you
Chet
PS
Any other replicators have any suggestions?
@Vrand ,hows things?
Merry Christmas all!

[Mookie]

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Chet / Yaro

The reason I suggested stainless steel mending plates is that someone mentioned
that they weren't able to get their hands on 403, 420, 430 or 431 martensitic steel
(stainless steel with magnetic properties able to be attracted to a magnet).

As a substitute, these will work just fine as electrode plates and can be found in
most home improvement stores, farm supply, or building stores in the section
where they sell brackets and hinges.

They are generally made of 400 series martensitic stainless steel
in various sizes, some as large as 3" x 4".

Bring a small magnet to test for their attraction before you buy them.

Mookie

[RAMSET]

Mookie,
Thank you so much for the reply,I completely understand now!

I am looking forward to "seeing" this for myself and will also share my results .
I have been very tight financially lately,and this has hindered my replication attempt [starting a new business],but am optimistic
The coming year will see a change.

Happy Holiday ,with the hope for a very special new year!

Chet

[RAMSET]

Double post

[james west]

why has this thread gone quiet?
i have been keen to hear if anyone has also been able to produce this accelerated effect.
i have for a long time wondered about the condition that when water is polarized it is strengthened along its axis whilst being weakened 90 degrees to it. I have tried a few different experiments myself along these lines but they have not been conclusive. In Mookies cell the electrolysis is polarizing the water between the electrodes whilst an AC magnet field is hitting at 90 degrees to it.
NMR or Mri employs the same principle to rotate the hydrogen proton though in reverse. The magnetic field is used to polarize and then a RF signal is used to vibrate/ rotate the proton.
A recent description by Bob Boyce of Herman Andersons cell he seems to suggest a similar setup. The water being held in a polarized state by the electrolysis and then being subjected to “radiolysis”.
In one of Stan Meyers drawings I see the same, with the vic coil around the outside of the cell. Is this a RF coil, or a solenoid carrying high amps to give a magnetic load to the cell, or even like an induction coil putting both high frequency magnetic vibration into the centre electrode?

I am keen to build, but also wish to understand completely before blindly forging ahead.