Electrolysis Accelerator

[penno64]

Hi all,

What a wonderful find !

Does this new found information then give creedence to the geet system,
where the bubbling of the mix was a requirement ?

Regards, Penno

[sebosfato]

well to picture what he is saying lets analyze with one of my drawings that you all love so much...

Second to this drawing you can see that water will be shaking by the effect of the magnetism... is a particle accelerator for sure or shaker

if a permanent magnet is placed on one of the sides it will become a pump with no moving parts. or a mhd thruster

Alaska star proposed this time ago. . no one succeed in replicating yet...

however with the two electrodes inside it become a different story. .

As the electrodes will also become another magnet creating a opposing magnetism inside the cell, a secondary force... I'm not sure it they will actually repel but i guess so... Yes they should...

So you have three magnets in this cell two opposing each other both perpendicular to another one the magnetism inductor one.

When i have my cell here on the same table of the alternator it produces more gas due to the vibration but this is not much more very little difference thought. Don't really think that is only about the vibration... It could be in the sense that a vibrating plate would have fluctuations on the voltage field.. . not to much...

If you would move the water then you would generate another thing you would create ac current. while still having a dc off set.

Having a bif bobin connected one straight other thru a diode you could actually set up a resonance while having a dc component. just a thought

[wings]

Sorry fellas
This is too exciting
Quote from "I flew My own " at OU



Re: The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them
« Reply #431 on: Today at 09:31:30 PM »

I_flew_ my_own Quote:
@Ramset,
This ought to tickle you. I just had a few minutes in the shop to try Mookies idea. I had thought that his method of adding magnetism to the water was very inefficient and indeed maybe it was not the magnetism at all but only the 60hz vibration created by his plates shaking. I dug out an old 3/4 hp. motor core and set it on the bench. Next I found a plastic container that would just push into the hole where the armature used to fit. Of course there was not one piece of stainless in the shop that was attracted to a magnet. Since another theory running through my mind was that eddy currents were shaking the plates I decided to press on anyway. My plates were 316 .032 x 2" by 3.5". I have some polyethylene tube sleeve which is an open diamond weave flexible mesh used to protect expensive machine tools or the threads on the ends of tubing. I used a piece of the mesh to space the plates about 1/16" apart. Just one plate then the mesh then the last plate wedged in the center of the plastic container which was sitting in the center of the motor core. I used 6 volts from a battery charger to the plates. Filtered water and small amount of sodium hydroxide. I used a variac to power the motor core. With the variac at 50 volts a piece of alum or steel held in the core would vibrate at 60 hz. With the plates energized I slowly turn up the variac to full 120 vac. Only the tiny stream of bubbles that you would expect came to the surface. There was no difference with the magnetism or not. Which is what Mookie said would happen.
Then I stuck a 1"x1"x3" ceramic magnet in the container and the magnet promptly stuck to the motor core. This time there was a difference with the variac on full but not as pronounced as in the video. Next I pulled out the magnet and the plates. Then I stuck a magnet onto each plate. Magnet,plate,mesh,plate,magnet like a sandwich. Back into the water to retest.
This was the real deal. With partial power the water boiled throughout its volume with millions of tiny bubbles. The surface was instantly covered with a mass of foam. No! I did not attempt to light it. I will later outside with a long flaming stick. The proverbial ten foot pole. My opinion at this early date is that it is just vibration. It is well worth pursuing and I will tomorrow.
Garry

can you take also the electrolysis current measurement with and without the "alternative magnetic effect" with vibration you remove the bubble from the surface increasing the effective electrolysis active area.

see :
http://www.overunity.com%2Findex.php...s6uSZA&cad=rja

[RAMSET]

Re: Mookie's Electrolyser Accelerator
« Reply #30 on: Today at 11:00:27 »

HHHmmmm.................
Mookie Quote:
Yes I have lit the output gas without a lid on the cell and completely blew apart the (plastic) container.
I will never do that again. The "milky looking water "as you describe it, is made up of a huge amount
of oxygen/hydrogen bubbles that are miniscule in size as compared to the bubbles produced with
a cell running in normal conditions...the cell appears to be supersaturated with escaping bubbles,
and as fast as they leave the cell...they cant leave fast enough

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Yes I know he's making Gas any way in the Cell
Little Pops on top ?Yeah Thats what you get
BLOW UP THE WHOLE JAR?

NOT!!!
The more I read Mookie, The more I here Chris Hunter's Email from Anonymous Mayonaise Jar Man!![What I refer to him as at OU } When I saw the Mayo Jar in the vid I thought "NO WAY"!!

YEAH WAY

Holy Crap!!
Was getting ready to post this

LOOK AT THE TITLE CHRIS HUNTER PUT ON THE EMAIL
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Alaska StarI know you will post this for everyone to see, so for the person's privacy, I...
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Alaska Star to me
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I know you will post this for everyone to see, so for the person's privacy, I have blanked his name, and his email.

You have been seeking independent validation of various theories that I came up with, and successful replication. The person I have been conversing with will probably see this and shoot me, but he, like me, would rather stay out of the public forums and the stew-pot of feces that is found there.

Like I stated from the beginning, this is, has been, and always will be far simpler than you can imagine. You have always the option of making it super complicated.

Now I was asked a question regarding his build and his design with a stumbling block, and I answered his problem, which has relevance to what you are working on, for that is the only reason I am sharing it with you. Keep in mind that my non-participation in the forum and his non-participation in the forum is not something that says that I am hiding anything. This guy has the brains enough to figure it out, for all it's simplicity, and use it.

How hard can it be?

So, I am sharing this with you in confidence that it would not be twisted around, but the knowledge gained and applied, proven, can be used to teach others, so that they my indeed understand such simple concepts.

Chris




From: ***************@****************.com
To: alaskastar2000@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Electrolysis accelerator
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:42:08 -0400



Hi again Chris,

Hope your project has moved a few more steps forward since last time. Stay with it.

Since your reply, I took your suggestions and was able solve my electrical issue. It enabled me to be able to finally test
for much longer periods of time. That allowed me to take things even further. Thanks Chris ..you got me out of a rut.
Those stator magnets were very strong, and the effect dramatic as I said before, but it led me to conclude
that I needed something with an even greater magnetic capability.

Since then, I was able to pick up a powerhouse industrial electromagnet, that at 12 volts has a lifting strength of 889 lbs ( nearly half a ton ! )
and is designed to operate at either 12DC, 24 DC or 120 AC, with lukewarm heat at best at full power. With a variac I'm able to run it
anywhere from 10 AC to 140 AC without a problem. Weighs a whopping 7 lbs. Cost me $60 and has a magnetic field that extends nicely.
At 12 volts DC it sticks to metal like its welded, and a simple PWM takes care of the regulation.
If you're looking for one or two for any reason, let me know ..I have a great supplier.

The accelerating effect on electrolysis is monstrous using this magnet. I'm purposefully using mason jars for testing, so that I can
visually see what's going on, but the pull is so strong that I'm continually breaking jars. I should be able to overcome that pretty simply
with a different plate assembly configuration.

Thanks again Chris. When I'm done I'll upgrade my internet service so that I can send you a video clip (for your eyes only).

..............................

Incidentally..While doing some lurking I see that you are being invited to join a discussion forum. For your sake, I hope you don't take the bait.
It will only lead you to frustration and argument and a huge waste of your time dealing with people who's only goal is to be King of the Castle.
Just by reading what's in those forums, you can see that there's nothing new to learn from people who are still just talking in the same circles.
You've been there before and have been around long enough to know that most people only want something for nothing.
Take the bait..and you'll lose another year.





----- Original Message -----
From: Alaska Star
To: *****************@*************.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: Electrolysis accelerator..any thoughts?


Hey! Yes I have my voice back, and I have been quite busy. Building an electric car from scratch by designing the motor, the battery management, speed controller, etc all from scratch.
Ok, to keep the stator coils from frying up, you need to observe Kirschoff's Law and the Laws of Thermodynamics. These are so important that you will soon learn the most valuable lesson in circuit design.

I will start with a simple circuit because keeping it simple is important.

We have a power source (can be AC or DC) and we have a Coil. Now this coil is nothing more than a length of wire, and this length of wire can be 1 inch long or it can be 1 mile long, it doesn't matter. What would happen if I put a 10 inch length of wire across the terminals of a car battery? Gets quite hot quite quickly! Now, let's put a heat device in series with this wire, like a light bulb.

So we insert a light bulb which is 90% heat and 10% light in series with your coil. Now the coil becomes passive and is a conductor and an inductor, and we observe the laws of thermodynamics. How? For every hot side there's a cold side. Equal and opposite reaction. So if the cold side of the circuit is desired to be the coils, then we need something to get hot so the coils stay cold. The energy has to go someplace.

Now if we put a large ballast resistor in series with your coil (I prefer the tube type carbon pile ballast resistors because I can run a cooling pipe through it to a radiator to cool it down) then it will allow enough current to flow to generate the magnetic field you need without messing with the frequency. If you use a light bulb, you will be restricted by the amount of current that can flow through the tungsten element. A large resistor is designed to carry current but convert energy to heat in a specific location, which would be wherever you want that heat to be located.

Now if you want to go a step further....put your 2 plates in series with the coil, where the power flows THROUGH the water to get to the coil, and the resistance of the water will keep the coil cold, but it will self regulate from the gaseous resistive barrier that builds on the plates from the hydrogen and oxygen.

I hope this helps, and please if you could, let me know how it works for you, test results, etc.

Chris Hunter
ArcticTek.com



From: *******************@****************.com
To: alaskastar2000@hotmail.com
Subject: Electrolysis accelerator..any thoughts?
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:50:14 -0400


Hey Chris

You probably don't remember me 'cause I only send you an email maybe once a year.
The first time was before you got sick...the last time was when you were getting your voice back.
Hopefully that's all behind you now, and you're back in some friggin' zone again.

If you remember, I'm not a member of any forum...just a lurker and a browser once in a while.

I'm stuck on something that maybe you can help me get around the stump. I've run hundreds of tests on this
and is the only area of electrolysis that I'm focused on. ..The effect of magnetism on the electrolysis process.

For the past year I've been playing with accelerating the electrolysis process using a couple of fair sized stator coils
(7.5 amp and 8.4 amp) with great success using straight 120 AC. ( No effect with DC). One has 4 coils and the other has two.
Both very powerful electromagnets. I've run them as conventional electromagnets as well as connecting the windings to have
the same magnetic pole facing in. Simple 2-plate martensitic ss electrodes are just fine as a cell for testing.
The acceleration process is monstrous running this way. You probably already know that a 15 to 20 times increase in the rate
would not be exaggerating. (I'd gladly send you a vid clip but my cable provider has me capped, so I cant do that )

As you probably know, you cant run a stator coil that way for much longer than 10 seconds or the windings will fry
with the conductive load, so I protect the windings with a 7.5 amp variac . The problem with that is the increase in acceleration
is very minimal running this way, and I can only run it at 7.5 amps at around 30 volts AC..

Anything you can think of anything (electrical or otherwise) that can add to this set up try to get around this?
Even if you don't have an answer for that ..any thoughts on a slightly different approach I might try with this?

Hope you're doing well.

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[sigzidfit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIpnkqEDaUA

[stevie1001]

Thank you Mookie.

Here 2 pics and a video of my results.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php....html#msg17528


Steve

[RAMSET]

SigZidFit
Put one of these on his console,and you'll have a star in a jar!

YouTube - Pistol Shrimp

Chet

PS
Stevie
Heard alot about you Bud[here and there] nice to meet you!!
Your Vids aren't working at that link!
Can you Fix it??

PPS

Luigi Palmieri deserves recognition as the original pioneer utilising magnetism for electrolysis .

[sebosfato]

SigZidFit
Put one of these on his console,and you'll have a star in a jar!

YouTube - Pistol Shrimp

Chet

PS
Stevie
Heard alot about you Bud[here and there] nice to meet you!!
Your Vids aren't working at that link!
Can you Fix it??

PPS

Luigi Palmieri deserves recognition as the original pioneer utilising magnetism for electrolysis .

Yes ramset this is concentration of energy into a micro second discharge... When i asked my math teacher about my theory he gave me the example of this shrimp, that it get 10000 degree but that is so short that the energy in watts hour is very very small.

[RAMSET]

Sir
Surely if a "bug" can do this ,But for a moment!

With a "hammer" I might add!!

Being at the Top of the food chain ,we can eat him for dinner,

We should be able to find a way to STRETCH..... that moment [without hammers]
SURELY?
Chet

[stevie1001]

SigZidFit
Put one of these on his console,and you'll have a star in a jar!

YouTube - Pistol Shrimp

Chet

PS
Stevie
Heard alot about you Bud[here and there] nice to meet you!!
Your Vids aren't working at that link!
Can you Fix it??

PPS

Luigi Palmieri deserves recognition as the original pioneer utilising magnetism for electrolysis .

Well, you only see the pics when you are logged in.
I dont like feeding youtube with content, when having a forum on my own....

Steve

[RAMSET]

I Flew My Own
Quote:

@all
I won't bore you with all the details leading here. I did not need a ten foot pole, I did not need a pole at all. I could not get the mix to spark, bang, whiz or fizz. Nothing, Nada, Zip. The mix looks like a half empty soda bottle that you have shaken for a minute and is about to bust. I ran experiments half the night and the magnetism is essential. I vibrated water from 0 to 120 hz. and no fizz. The stuff just has no bang. I have got other irons in the fire. The video was impressive so I tried it.
Garry

[sebosfato]

Ramset
where you from?

[RAMSET]

New York city!
Connecticut Today!![could change tomorrow]
Chet

[sebosfato]

New York city!
Connecticut Today!![could change tomorrow]
Chet

Nice probably you will see me in your tv on the redbull festival publicity for the festival of musicians of the underground...

Regards from Brazil

[RAMSET]

Sebosfato
Nice!!
@Steve
I won't be able to watch your "movie" until Tonight.
This compu has no ability to do that!!,besides I'm self employed
And If I don't get Busy I'll be "from the streets"!![Sebos]
Can you comment on your experiment??
Your opinion ?