Water Sparkplug 2

[Aaron]

Go here to get a book and video compilation that discusses
my personal innovations regarding this plasma ignition method:
Visit this now: Plasma Ignition

And you can get plasma ignition systems here: Plasma Ignition

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The original part 1 thread is here:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...sparkplug.html

This thread can continue discussion on the plasma ignition circuits.

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

I know they recommend it as an impulse source for driving a Tesla coil as an alternative to a quenched spark gap.....
What can you tell me about this application, and have you tried it? Now that I know what's up, I realize I really don't need their over-priced product which I had considered buying, nor will I ever give them my money. I'm almost certain that something similar to the 3 point plasma circuit is what Tesla ended up using to insure his unidirectional impulses in his spark gaps.

I haven't use it for driving a Tesla coil so don't have experience with it.

I knew where Aquapulser got their info, here, but I was still willing to buy
an ignition system from them. It would have required a separate module
for each plug (2.5 liter Subaru boxer engine) and would have been
around $800 or something. I'd actually much rather not have to build it
myself. Even knowing where they got their info, I had no problems with
it.

I wound up not buying it because I couldn't find the info I wanted for
my factory ignition. I came up with a solution I'll be testing when it warms
up.

[powerme]

you guys need to stop this nonsense with diode plasma effect!.

what is in your diode?.

what effect occurs when electricity is passed through the same material?.

at what electrical pressure makes causes these effects to take place?.

[Aaron]

read the original thread

you guys need to stop this nonsense with diode plasma effect!.

what is in your diode?.

what effect occurs when electricity is passed through the same material?.

at what electrical pressure makes causes these effects to take place?.

Please don't interfere with my business or tell me what needs to be
stopped or not. I am publicly documenting the FACTS and if you think
it is nonsense, you seriously are uniformed and need to educate yourself.

If you want to learn, that is fine and is the purpose of this forum
and this thread, go read the entire original discussion - all the answers
are there:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...sparkplug.html

[powerme]

Aaron,
I do not see any reason why you would need to go through all of the trouble in oscillating of direct current and then trying to build electical pressure with restrictive flow to have a high enough pressure for plasma effect.

I see that the thread you mentioned had taken a lot of time and efforts from many people, I still do not see why it was necessary.

If you want extreme high pressure electical flow, you can simply achieve that with other more simple methods that are already well known.

My questions were to endtice people to see what is the cause and how it can be achieved in many different way and how it can be applied to their energy needs.

[Aaron]

more simple method for plasma ignition

Aaron,
I do not see any reason why you would need to go through all of the trouble in oscillating of direct current and then trying to build electical pressure with restrictive flow to have a high enough pressure for plasma effect.

I see that the thread you mentioned had taken a lot of time and efforts from many people, I still do not see why it was necessary.

If you want extreme high pressure electical flow, you can simply achieve that with other more simple methods that are already well known.

My questions were to endtice people to see what is the cause and how it can be achieved in many different way and how it can be applied to their energy needs.

I'll look forward to a schematic from you and a video experiment showing
your more simple method.

[powerme]

I do not do circuits, sorry. Little defined pathways to manipulated a retarded wave is very un-natural. Allow the energy to perform useful work and let it continue it's flow.

I wish not to show anything, my findings is not mine but to share. I want to simply help those that have the desire to know what is right.

If one desires a more simple and natural method in producing high pressure unipolar electrical flow, I will be more than happy to help.

[Aaron]

off topic

Little defined pathways to manipulated a retarded wave is very un-natural.

Unnatural? This is mimicking nature at it's finest - think about that next
time you see a lightening bolt.

This thread is for anyone that actually wants to do the work and build the
circuits in addition to actually learning how they work. It doesn't appear
that you will gain anything from this water sparkplug discussion so please
start a thread for your own understanding that has nothing to do with
this plasma ignition method.

[crackahcrackah]

Wow, imagine that, people are trying to claim that the disruptive discharge, which Tesla widely publicized (#568,176), is now something that they invented and put forth to the public.

What a load of hypocrisy, but what else can be expected of the parties involved?

Of course since the average person on this site is operating on the 100th monkey principle, they completely miss the unmistakable configuration and well known (to those who actually STUDY) minimally required components.

Your fruit is rotten sirs. You may now continue the drama...

[powerme]

Unnatural? This is mimicking nature at it's finest - think about that next
time you see a lightening bolt.

This thread is for anyone that actually wants to do the work and build the
circuits in addition to actually learning how they work. It doesn't appear
that you will gain anything from this water sparkplug discussion so please
start a thread for your own understanding that has nothing to do with
this plasma ignition method.

energy is not confined in nature,

10-4

[powerme]

Wow, imagine that, people are trying to claim that the disruptive discharge, which Tesla widely publicized (#568,176), is now something that they invented and put forth to the public.

What a load of hypocrisy, but what else can be expected of the parties involved?

Of course since the average person on this site is operating on the 100th monkey principle, they completely miss the unmistakable configuration and well known (to those who actually STUDY) minimally required components.

Your fruit is rotten sirs. You may now continue the drama...

don't be too harsh sir,

why not help out your fellow specie?.

we still can make a change, put your frustration into good use.

[Aaron]

@crack

Wow, imagine that, people are trying to claim that the disruptive discharge, which Tesla widely publicized (#568,176), is now something that they invented and put forth to the public.

What a load of hypocrisy, but what else can be expected of the parties involved?

Of course since the average person on this site is operating on the 100th monkey principle, they completely miss the unmistakable configuration and well known (to those who actually STUDY) minimally required components.

Your fruit is rotten sirs. You may now continue the drama...

What could be expected from the parties involved? Are you intentionally
ignorant or is that by mistake?

You really should keep your blabbering tripe out of this thread.

You obviously haven't studied
anything and have NOT read the water sparkplug thread. If you can't
even have the decency to do that, you should keep your tripe to yourself.

Understanding the primary principles involved and they are in Peter's Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity book on the Gray Tube technology....they give the insights into everything that is necessary in order to enhance this entire effect, make it more powerful...not worried about efficiency because charging those caps take nothing at all to begin with. If you haven't read that book, I suggest reading it and if you have, then you can see that it describes perfectly what you are working with

I CLEARLY pointed out that the principles behind this are referenced in
Peter's Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity, which references Secrets
of Cold War Technology chapter 1 by Gerry Vassilatos. And who is this
remarkable chapter dedicated to? I wonder To whom am I giving
credit to for the fundamental principles involved?

You are completely incapable of comprehending what I have posted,
obviously.

If you are insinuating that I am claiming to have invented the disruptive
discharge from everything I wrote - you are suffering from serious
delusions.

Tesla didn't have diodes like this for one and for two, this simplified method of
causing this plasma burst in this method wasn't invented by Tesla, it was
invented by me.

Luc 'may' have innovated the method using an inverter going to the top
of the plug or he may have just stumbled upon what s1r is doing. I don't
know. That was clearly his contribution to the open forum and is
much more complex than the simplified method that I contributed.

In any case, from your post, you are not qualified to comprehend anything
in this thread so please leave. NEITHER of us have ever claimed to invent
a disruptive discharge - you don't even know the point of argument!

It is all to common that the ignorant profess to defend Tesla and don't
even understand what they are defending. But doing so gives the false
impression they actually know what they're talking about. Too bad - just
because thoughts are moving though ones mind doesn't mean they are
actually thinking.

[Aaron]

without diodes

I am one who desires to know the core effect and build based on simplicity. I still KNOW that there are other ways of doing this, and we ALL need to work as a team to get to the root cause of the effect, and realize the diodes are just a method that works.

we need to find an even simpler way of doing things, a way that can be constructed from nothing but salvaged wire. The way Tesla would do it.

Just for the record, I am not saying the method I came up with is the
simplest but is certainly simplified from all the previously patented "plasma
jet ignition" patents. Not saying you are saying I'm claiming to have made
the absolutely simplest - just want the distinction out there.

I have done all of this without any diodes but it did require another cap
in parallel. I think I posted this in the Gray Tube Replication thread. I have
done it with a separate power supply on this second cap and have also
done it using the same power supply that charges the front side cap.

I have more unposted experiments with all of this that what I posted
because all the main principles have been posted so many times.

Anyway, if you have a regular cdi discharge on the primary of the
ignition coil and that output goes across a gap to a cap charged there,
I have gotten the second cap to discharge without any diodes and have
done so with both the regular 2 point gap and the three point gap.

On the 2 point gap, there was simply a physically connected path to
common ground instead of a gap.

If diodes are preferred but are not available, there are ways to make
vacuum diodes - I don't know much about it but it can be done but
of course still requires resources.

[crackahcrackah]

Guys, please be nice, I went down the same pathway of thinking that you two are now expressing (powerme and crackahcrackah)

That is what I was referencing when I said I doubted Aaron's motivation in the past.

Sometimes first impressions are the most accurate...

I know that there are indeed other ways of achieving the effect, but what Aaron shows works, and is easily replicable. We should all be appreciative of what he's done, and give him credit where it's deserved.

Would you care to elucidate the differences between Tesla's "disruptive discharge" circuit and these circuits which are in contention?

I am one who desires to know the core effect and build based on simplicity. I still KNOW that there are other ways of doing this, and we ALL need to work as a team to get to the root cause of the effect, and realize the diodes are just a method that works.

Team work is fine. But you better be able to trust the people you're working with. Given past behaviors on this board, which others do not remember and I foolishly did not screen capture, I know certain people who have demonstrated trustworthiness, and others who have not.

If anyone has knowledge that will do this, it is your responsibility to come forth with it... and YOU WILL GET YOUR RECOGNITION. It may turn out that the diodes really ARE the simplest and cheapest way to achieve this based on the availability of components and the skill required to build devices, but I don't think that's necessarily the case.

This gets back to the 100th monkey issue. How is some one to handle interactions with others when they are told repeatedly what they need to look at and replicate? It is entirely unproductive to keep repeating oneself if the outcome is always the same. The fact of the matter is, I posted the patent that you should be looking at in my first post in this thread but for some reason you're acting as if nothing has been said to direct people to a well known (again, for those who listen and those who read). There have been a few threads on this forum which are touching on that cited patent, such as "this is it!", but unfortunately we have people who plunge head first into building with out studying things that are recommended to them.

A nice phase conjugate mirror Tesla coil will do the same thing, I really think so. Perhaps the type with an extra coil that is pumped from the center-tap of the mirror coils.

For this given thread I am not concerned about these issues. The entire paragraph is entirely tangential. I stated my case. I find it highly unlikely that any one here will actually do any sort of research on the patent I cited (even just a basic perusal of the lay out and components, but maybe through calling the reader to task and challenging them to examine the patent, they might just do it...) and then assess what is being claimed as a novel discovery, and then assess if the individual claiming the novel discovery has posted in the past regarding the tesla disruptive discharge circuit (this should already be known to any one familiar with the circuit who has researched others comments on it here), which in turn would permit an empirical conclusion about what the parties knew when they made claims of putting a novel circuit into the public domain. For shame, for shame.

PLEASE TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION:
If, and I PRAY not, the situation in this world changes drastically in a way that will prevent us or others from obtaining the diodes and such, we need to find an even simpler way of doing things, a way that can be constructed from nothing but salvaged wire. The way Tesla would do it.

It's a very good thing that the diodes are not remotely necessary for the effect. It's a very bad thing that only a small number of people comprehend this.

It would behoove respondents to check their emotions at once and focus on the points raised herein. How are the circuits in contention any different from the Tesla disruptive discharge, which can be seen in ALL of his high frequency patents? It is an empirical question, backed with empirical citations. Empirical responses are required for an empirical conclusion to the question.

[SuperCaviTationIstic]

crackahcrackah:
thanks you kindly for addressing just about everything I said. I really appreciate your opinion. I was more concerned with the bickering, and I wanted to address that, but you're right, I should have check the patent you were referencing, thanks for drawing my attention to it a second time. Here is a link to if for everyone to easily access:
Tesla Patent 568,176 - Apparatus for Producing Electrical Currents of High Frequency and Potential

And even if people have malintent, I believe in forgiveness, and second opportunities, and I suggest everyone enjoy the benefits of holding those values dear to them.