Water Sparkplug 2

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

So a vacuum spark gap would be ideal for spark gap experiments.

I'm huge into the diesel community and if magnetic fluid conditioning can increase the fuel atomization that is BIG!

I'm still very interested in getting a gasoline engine to run on diesel fuel.

I wonder if an MSD ignition type setup with multiple spark firings would be enough to eliminate the vacuum effect? I know from reading that Stan Meyer used an electron consumption device to hinder the hydrogen and oxygen atoms from stabilizing

To see better what is closer to real application, not a vacuum gap but
a pressure chamber like what Rosco and a few others made for some of
their tests. I haven't used these myself, I just did the testing on real
engines along side the bench tests.

Magnetic fluid conditioning allows the fuel to atomize better because the molecular clusters are broken apart. But if the magnetic field is too strong,
the clusters will recombine but in long organized chains defeating the
purpose. The strength has to be tuned per application. They're all on
this page: Magnetizer Read my post here for more info: Magnetic Fuel Saver

It may have been Revizal who got a gas engine to run on diesel with the
plasma ignition - been a while but it is all in the first water sparkplug thread.

MSD will not eliminate the vacuum effect of water/hho recombining. The
recombining is irrelevant when the water or hho is a supplement to
gas/propane, etc... those will give you the thermal combustive energy and
you get some enhancement with the water.

It is when you're trying to use only water or hho. You have to get
thermal combustive energy by mixing nitrogen with it in the proper way.
That's the key or you waste your time.

[Aaron]

ionization of nitrogen

Hmmm ionization! Now you're talking! So ionize the intake air going into the engine as well as the water being misted. That might be the secret to eliminate the vacuum effect from the plasma ignition of water.

That active ion - looks like a nice product!

If you can ionize the nitrogen properly so you break the triple electron bond
between two nitrogens, you get atomic nitrogen that is strongly seeking
3 electrons to balance. IF, that atomic nitrogen is in the presence of
electrolytic hydrogen, the atomic nitrogen will pull three hydrogens to it
and will create NH3 - ammonia.

The ammonia carries 3 atomic hydrogen in atomic form. The plasma
and heat can crack the atomic hydrogen from the ammonia burning
atomic hydrogen that has 3 times more power than molecular hydrogen.
When the atomic hydrogen "burns" you have a lot of atomic nitrogen
that will act as an "electron extraction circuit" preventing the formation
of the water molecule. The exhaust will be nitrogen and some moisture.

That is how you prevent burning HHO and have it simply recombine to
water quickly.

The nitrogen is the "non-combustible gas" that Meyer points to and says
must be there to prevent the h and o from combining. It is what Meyer
did to prevent the recombining of the water molecule in order to get
true thermal combustive energy.

[maxc]

WOW! Thank you for that link! I definitely want to buy one of those now!

Edit: at $176.00 that's a bit pricey. I'll probably hold off, though I really do like the idea. Maybe I'll try making my own... lol

I've also found a good source for capacitors and high voltage diodes if anyone is interested.

Capacitors

I bought 2 of the 40k .01uf caps but my meter show there .005 uf too .007uf.
Togethere with my 85k diode and my reconfiguard MSD box and coil I have some very bright and long plasma sparks.

[MonsieurM]

WOW! Thank you for that link! I definitely want to buy one of those now!

Edit: at $176.00 that's a bit pricey. I'll probably hold off, though I really do like the idea. Maybe I'll try making my own... lol

Yeah i know, but i wanted you to check out the working principle, as a new method to explore

[jtanguay]

That active ion - looks like a nice product!

If you can ionize the nitrogen properly so you break the triple electron bond
between two nitrogens, you get atomic nitrogen that is strongly seeking
3 electrons to balance. IF, that atomic nitrogen is in the presence of
electrolytic hydrogen, the atomic nitrogen will pull three hydrogens to it
and will create NH3 - ammonia.

The ammonia carries 3 atomic hydrogen in atomic form. The plasma
and heat can crack the atomic hydrogen from the ammonia burning
atomic hydrogen that has 3 times more power than molecular hydrogen.
When the atomic hydrogen "burns" you have a lot of atomic nitrogen
that will act as an "electron extraction circuit" preventing the formation
of the water molecule. The exhaust will be nitrogen and some moisture.

That is how you prevent burning HHO and have it simply recombine to
water quickly.

The nitrogen is the "non-combustible gas" that Meyer points to and says
must be there to prevent the h and o from combining. It is what Meyer
did to prevent the recombining of the water molecule in order to get
true thermal combustive energy.

Interesting about the nitrogen. Would that mean requiring a tank of nitrogen though? I wonder if there is a way to hit a frequency to 'make' nitrogen? Kind of like transmutation. I know Meyer did talk about the non combustible gas to reduce the burn rate of the h + o. I always thought it was just plain air though. But plain air does contain some nitrogen right?

Going back to your circuit I'm wondering if the ignition coil is really necessary. What about using a voltage multiplier circuit that can get 50kv to possibly 100kv? Or maybe more? Surely we should be able to get more than 100kv from a simple little circuit and a set of nice high voltage caps. That way theres no possibility of the ignition coil arcing (much easier to insulate) and the plasma effect should be much greater, not to mention the spark gap can be increased for a bigger plasma ball. Or is this type of thinking counter productive? Its just that I've only heard that higher voltages is bad for the ignition coil shorting out and possibly the ignition wires, but with a cold spark and a good set of wires I would imagine everything to be great. After all, the bigger the 'spark' the better in this case, right?

[Aaron]

nitrogen from air

Interesting about the nitrogen. Would that mean requiring a tank of nitrogen though? I wonder if there is a way to hit a frequency to 'make' nitrogen? Kind of like transmutation. I know Meyer did talk about the non combustible gas to reduce the burn rate of the h + o. I always thought it was just plain air though. But plain air does contain some nitrogen right?

Going back to your circuit I'm wondering if the ignition coil is really necessary. What about using a voltage multiplier circuit that can get 50kv to possibly 100kv? Or maybe more? Surely we should be able to get more than 100kv from a simple little circuit and a set of nice high voltage caps. That way theres no possibility of the ignition coil arcing (much easier to insulate) and the plasma effect should be much greater, not to mention the spark gap can be increased for a bigger plasma ball. Or is this type of thinking counter productive? Its just that I've only heard that higher voltages is bad for the ignition coil shorting out and possibly the ignition wires, but with a cold spark and a good set of wires I would imagine everything to be great. After all, the bigger the 'spark' the better in this case, right?

The nitrogen is from plain air - nitrogen makes up most of the air 78%.
21% is oxygen and 1% is trace.

I would highly recommend you read this thread:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ater-fuel.html

[maxc]

YouTube - big plasma

[vrand]

Hi Mike,

Greg showed that a long time ago - 43% increase in a VW bug.
He had the plasma ignition + steam injection with leaned out jets.

I've done quite a few tests myself but most are non-automotive applications.
I machined one engine from almost all scrap just to test some things out
and am happy with the results. More to come later.

Anyway, with fuel injection, might be a good idea to use an EFIE so the
gains won't be sabotaged.

Hi Aaron,

Thank you for publishing the "Ignition Secrets" as it really saved me time in getting the info on the plasma spark I need, instead of re-reading the 1000's of posts on all those threads!

And your Quantum Key book and videos, I look forward to your next book.

Keep up the good work!

cheers
Mike

[Aaron]

Thanks Mike!

Hi Mike - THANK YOU!

[MonsieurM]

Hello

thank you Aaron for the link on water ionization, one more info i would like to add to the discussion; it is a link which i would highly recommend you watch. The water properties created by this researcher made me think of your water spark plug, and fits perfectly for what you guys are looking for, i think

link:

YouTube - Top Secret Water - 2005 Documentary

starts at 9:53 min.

hope it is a nice add on to a plasma spark plug

[ZeroMassInertia]

Hello Aaron
In your lawnmower plasma spark conversion video you used a SCR to trigger the coil, can you post the SCR number and the value of the Caps driving the coil. I have been going back into The posts but cannot find info on the SCR. Thanks for condensing the plasma information.

[Aaron]

Brisk Yttrium plugs

I posted this in my other thread but wanted to post it here.
Everyone may have different results but is worth checking out:

Brisk Yttrium non-resistor triple electrode plugs are showing to possibly be
the best off the shelf plug you can get. They are about $8 each.
I would just leave the ground electrodes and not make a surface gap plug.
Tests are done with the stock configuration.

The estimates are 20,000 miles with the plasma ignition that was tested. 20,000
miles is quite a bit more than just a couple thousand if even that. $8 per
plug is nothing if they last that long with the plasma ignition.

I will post details of these tests when I can but this is what I'd recommend
for a plug to use for plasma ignitions at the moment. Maybe there are better
ones but this is what appears to be the best for now.

[Aaron]

scr and caps

Hello Aaron
In your lawnmower plasma spark conversion video you used a SCR to trigger the coil, can you post the SCR number and the value of the Caps driving the coil. I have been going back into The posts but cannot find info on the SCR. Thanks for condensing the plasma information.

I believe it was a 2N6508 scr. 600v 25a. The caps were 2 X 47uf caps
in series at a few hundred volts but was being charged to 160vdc max
since it was rectified output from a variac. It was half rectified so that
the scr would turn off.

[goldsphere]

The missing key

Hi All,
Hope I am posting this in the correct area as I have not been following this thread.
I just wanted to tell you about a revelation that I had last night.
I was measuring up some scrap stainless steel sheet last night in the hope of making an electrolysis unit and playing with some Brown's gas. After coming inside I thought I would look at some of Stan Meyers drawings concerning the unit. It didn't really make a lot of sense to me at first as to why he had a laser in there.
Then I realised that what he had done was create a type of water magnetron.
I believe this is where everyone is going wrong, they look at it as a capacitor in a resonant circuit when it is actually a type of diode, a resonant cavity magnetron. This is why the geometry is so crucial and in the sparkplug design you can see the space-charge clearly.
Stanley Meyer
This is why so little energy is used too, because as the space-charge begins to rotate then the current drops off to almost zero.
Hope this helps someone, any comments appreciated.
GS
Edit: For anyone wanting to understand magnetrons. Radar Basics - Magnetron

[jonathan]

plasma spark

l try to make plasma spark l try 10 uf capasitor and 16 diodes in4007 1000v 1a it work but after 4 spark the diodes burn whats the problem ? low amp diodes