Water Sparkplug 2

[jonabel1971]

If you use a bigger font on the word nitrogen, it might make it more believable.
It might.

By the way- you just went off topic on your own thread.
In fact - you banned me for the line of discussion that you are pressing again.

You don't appear to practice what you preach - nature boy.

Just so everyone can see.... you (Jon Abel) claim Meyer never talked about Nitrogen and you make fun of any reference regarding Meyer and Nitrogen. You reference the injectors and you don't even understand anything about them! You claim Meyer never even mentioned the word nitrogen and here you are pushing the injectors which is all about ionized nitrogen mixing to create a non-volatile fuel! I've already shown MANY references in Meyer's own words about NITROGEN in his own patents. He defined the non-combustible gases as nitrogen and here you go... #3 is the all important nitrogen from the air to slow the burn of the water fuel - without mixing ionized nitrogen, the entire concept of what Meyer was about is non-existent.

[Aaron]

nitrogen nitrogen nitrogen nitrogen nitrogen nitrogen

If you use a bigger font on the word nitrogen, it might make it more believable.
It might.

By the way- you just went off topic on your own thread.
In fact - you banned me for the line of discussion that you are pressing again.

You don't appear to practice what you preach - nature boy.

You can't attack the message so you attack me.

Congratulations. Every time you run your mouth and bump these threads to the top, people search through to see what the ruckus is about and more and more people buy Water Fuel Secrets Water Fuel Secrets by Aaron Murakami . By the time you're done, you'll have succeeded in making that short report the #1 selling download on water fuel in the entire world. I'm going to add more of Meyer's patents to that report that talk about NITROGEN as well as a patent where Meyer spells out that he is creating SYNGAS. Anyway, thank you so very much your assistance is very much appreciated and everyone who purchases a copy will see that your claims that Meyer never talked about NITROGEN are are all fraudulent lies. I hope that's big enough for you - should be a little more believable now.

[jonabel1971]

Sell away - nature boy. I hope it makes you enough money to go get an education in electrical engineering.

It would really help your credibility.

You can't attack the message so you attack me.

Congratulations. Every time you run your mouth and bump these threads to the top, people search through to see what the ruckus is about and more and more people buy Water Fuel Secrets Water Fuel Secrets by Aaron Murakami . By the time you're done, you'll have succeeded in making that short report the #1 selling download on water fuel in the entire world. I'm going to add more of Meyer's patents to that report that talk about NITROGEN as well as a patent where Meyer spells out that he is creating SYNGAS. Anyway, thank you so very much your assistance is very much appreciated and everyone who purchases a copy will see that your claims that Meyer never talked about NITROGEN are are all fraudulent lies. I hope that's big enough for you - should be a little more believable now.

[Aaron]

world's smallest violin

Nature boy? Thanks for the 7 year old little boy cub scout insult.



Jon Abel's famous quotes:

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...l-secrets.html

[jonabel1971]

You are welcome.

But, your font isn't big enough yet for everybody to see it. Bigger. Much bigger. People won't know I'm a fraud unless you make it HUGE!

The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK? That YOU are selling? I cannot keep a straight face when you say those things.

Nature boy, you must realize the circular logic in that argument?

You are essentially saying to people, "Don't believe ME that Jon Abel is fraudulent, believe my book!" -

Which leads to, "Come buy my book, to prove Jon's a fraud."

Are you trying to sabotage your own threads? That doesn't make sense.

Look at it this way - trying to convince you of your lack of knowledge and research is similar to arguing with a 7 year old.

So, yes, "Nature Boy" is perfect for you.
Stick with homeopathics. Then, you might be able to convince people.

Well, maybe....

Nature boy? Thanks for the 7 year old little boy cub scout insult.



Jon Abel's famous quotes:

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...l-secrets.html

[Aaron]

false claims

At least your Freudian Slip admits your claims against the nitrogen are fraudulent. I'll add that line to the famous Jon Abel quotes. 1 point from Mensa huh?

The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK?

And now I have to teach you how to use a link in a post? Geeze, you're asking for a lot.

Grab your mouse and click the button - not hard really. Then you can see that the link goes to a thread in this forum revealing your fraudulent claims that Meyer never talked about Nitrogen.

And yes, my report reveals this all too clear too, thanks for reminding everyone.

The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK?

Jon Abel's famous quotes:

"Discussioners" are wondering why your members have such poor replication success rates. It's because the last two replications were killed by talks of Nitrogen technology that doesn't exist. "

"As for Aaron's advice, you will not find any "Nitrogen technology" by Stan Meyer online."

It looks like twice he had tried to kill discussion of Meyer's Hydrogen technology - by deflecting attention to Nitrogen gas - and then not elaborating on the technology. Aaron is full of crap - he is paid for the lies and abuse he spews. Argon gas was one of the non-combustible gases that Stan spoke of"

When Aaron offers suspect information about Nitrogen, ask him if he is willing to show the proof. If "No.", then that's lying. As far as I am concerned, Aaron has not read a sentence of Stan Meyer literature."

Why should I respect the things you have to say about an alleged Stan Meyer Nitrogen Machine? Nobody else can verify your claim, either."

It's funny how you guys make a big deal about adding ambient air."

"Besides nitrogen-oxides, I have not seen Nitrogen mention in Stan Meyer's documentation."

"The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK?"

PROOF THAT JON ABLE IS MAKING FRAUDULENT CLAIMS ABOUT WHAT MEYER DID OR DID NOT SAY OR HAVE IN HIS PATENTS: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...l-secrets.html

[jonabel1971]

It's ok, Aaron. You didn't realize that I am cutting and pasting from other threads, so everybody here gets to read about you.

Sorry I didn't get the link right, Nature Boy. It happens.

Anyway, it sounds like Aaron is having trouble with a number of researchers, calling him out on his nonsensical rants.


So, here's more stuff. This is a laymen's article from 2007, describing a journal paper on modelling water molecule's behavior in an electric field.

Physics - Water Molecules, Unite!

Enjoy people. I will continue to point others to some of the real scientific research that has been published. Aaron is programmed to automatically attack anybody posting interesting information - because that is giving away for free on his website. That is a mortal sin - to a capitalist trying to gleen his own info for free - and then hustling the researchers off his site by attacking them - or straight out banning them.

Here's my latest video. It's even newer, and simpler water fuel technology. I had moisture in my flow-gauge, but, it's been fixed. This is an unmodified induction cook-top - converting and transferring 2 frequencies to a Tesla pancake coil. This is very similar to Meyer's work.

1st GEGENE demonstration - making hydrogen. - YouTube

I got the idea from Naudin's site - The JLN Labs home page

Every time I point people to this stuff, however, Aaron calls me a fraud - and then points to his OWN BOOKS as proof that I am a fraud. As you can see above - he uses HUGE fonts to get his point across.

Nitrogen, indeed.
Stan talked about air-tight systems that didn't need ambient air in his videos.

Nitrogen mixed with Oxyhydrogen is going to create ammonia (NH3) and Nitrous Oxides (NOx). Liquid and gaseous pollutants.

Nitrogen is not needed. Water has the only 3 parts that are needed in an air-tight system.

1. Hydrogen - the burnable gas
2. Oxygen - the oxidizer
3. Water vapor or steam - the buffer

That's all you need.

Aaron is simply mad that I give away better information then the useless mis-information that he sells. He is selling a book that shows a polluting system.

He isn't trying to be a scientist. He isn't doing research. He's simply selling books with "Secrets" in the title. Ooooo, secrets!

Folks, it's the internet. The days of secrets are over, unless Aaron is making up his own.

He has a degree in natural health - he doesn't appear to have much of a background in ANY of this tech.

Money motivations are the real drivers of fraud. How does giving it away make someone a fraud?

Legally, Aaron has many things to worry about. I don't sell anything, so, I don't suffer from the same problems.

If the mentality of most of the people here is to "sell, sell, sell", then I have a book to sell, too - and a bridge. (just kidding)

Aaron needs to become a minister, not a quack. It appears he is posing as different users on his own forum, as well - to make it look like he has a backing.

Ugh, disgusting.

[Aaron]

fradulent claims

The proof of my fraudulent claims is your OWN BOOK?

Nuff said...

[jonabel1971]

Yeah, I guess. You're the one that said "fraudulent claims". I was simply repeating what you said - because of how screwed up it is. Grotesquely pushing your own lies and false claims on me - probably to sell another book.

Thanks Nature Boy. You got a hell of a site here.

Nuff said...

[jonabel1971]

Why open-source wins.

Here you go, everybody.

This 1 webpage has downloads of Stan's 51 patents, news articles, and the Tech Brief. It looks like his brother's stuff is also there.

Search out the word "Nitrogen" in these files, and you will see how truthful Aaron is.

Stan's Patents

[Aaron]

Stan Meyer Nitrogen

Here you go, everybody.

This 1 webpage has downloads of Stan's 51 patents, news articles, and the Tech Brief. It looks like his brother's stuff is also there.

Search out the word "Nitrogen" in these files, and you will see how truthful Aaron is.

Stan's Patents

Jon Abel is a liar making fraudulent claims about Meyer. Those documents on that website spell out Nitrogen in quite a few places.

Here is one Meyer's patents that spell out exactly what I have said from the beginning and that Jon Abel denies. Anyone can search that patent number at Espacenet - Advanced search for example and pull this one up. There are MANY patents from Meyer where he spells out what I have said.

[jonabel1971]

Hey, you found one, Nature Boy. Good for you.

I knew I could get you to finally look up the information - and share it for free.

When your credibility is on the line - that's what you have to do.
That why we started this exercise so long ago - just to prove that you can't always sell it.

Sometimes, you HAVE give it away - even if it's for your own good. My point about capitalism is proven.

Jon Abel is a liar making fraudulent claims about Meyer. Those documents on that website spell out Nitrogen in quite a few places.

Here is one Meyer's patents that spell out exactly what I have said from the beginning and that Jon Abel denies. Anyone can search that patent number at Espacenet - Advanced search for example and pull this one up. There are MANY patents from Meyer where he spells out what I have said.

[Aaron]

Jon Abel - exposed

Hey, you found one, Nature Boy. Good for you.

I knew I could get you to finally look up the information - and share it for free.

When your credibility is on the line - that's what you have to do.
That why we started this exercise so long ago - just to prove that you can't always sell it.

Sometimes, you HAVE give it away - even if it's for your own good. My point about capitalism is proven.

You have been exposed as a fraud, period, and that is what hundreds of thousands of people around the world will clearly see.

You weren't trying to get me to post one for free so don't try to act like you were - you're fraudulent claims are exposed and you are stooping to the lowest levels to save face - anyone not brain dead or in a trance can see that. You had access to that same group of patents just like everyone else and you claimed from the BEGINNING that you read them all and there are no references to Nitrogen.

You're psychologically incapacitated and are suffering from some serious delusions - I already posted a bunch of free references in the water fuel secrets thread in Meyer's own words from the beginning and you still denied those! So trying to convince anyone that you actually wanted me to post something for free when I already did multiple times is a display of the low mental gutter that you are operating from.

And you're so blind to your own BS that you forget that in the ionization thread and others, I ALREADY posted many of these references including graphics from Meyer's patents that discuss NITROGEN - and this was years ago. I've been giving this out for free since before you probably ever heard about Meyer.

It is one thing to stand your ground but it is a whole other thing to prove to everyone how stupid you are and to what low levels you'll stoop to. Your logic is deficient of any common sense or critical thinking whatsoever. Basically, you accomplished several feats that include but are not limited to proving you are a pathological liar.

And the most obvious one that anyone with common sense can clearly see, and that you are completely oblivious to, is this simple fact that flushes your whole degenerate claim down the toilet about proving a point about capitalism - it is really simple... From the beginning of your so-called "replication" thread, you have denied that Meyer ever said anything about Nitrogen and this was all BEFORE I ever released the report Water Fuel Secrets.

So only a zombie would buy your BS that you're trying to prove some point about capitalism. All your denials and claims that Meyer never said anything about Nitrogen were PRIOR to me offering Water Fuel Secrets for sale and everybody knows that to be a fact - this is all public record and defeats your blatant, bogus, mentally degenerate claim to save face that you were trying to prove a point. You either suffer from short term memory loss or you really are a pathological liar, fraud and con.

[Aaron]

plasma ignition

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