New theory on Meyer Injection System

[tutanka]

Hello,
There are some theory's on Meyer Injection System. In these months after have reading some papers I have focalized (for me) the right explaination about Meyer technology. Some peoples suppose that Meyer copy Puharich, others peoples think that is oxygen the reactant inside reaction. I have new theory on that based on Tesla experiments for energy creation. First of all we need energy for create the reaction. That is the key but from others threads I don't have found anything that explain that.. Stan Meyer know that for obtain an OU system need more energy. But how we can obtain that?? Meyer surely have thinked that . Probably Meyer have found papers of Tesla about electricity created from air. I think all started from here! Some other researcher , first to all William Lyne, have tested that forget tesla technology. Lyne after few tests (exactly the second mode) have found that theory of Tesla for extract electricity from air work.

I report here the words of William Lyne:

"The second mode: The spark-gaps were eliminated, at the center element was made to react inductively with the outer tube, to ionize the air and place it in a strain, as a vertical flame was produced, which burned the oxygen and nitrogen in the air. The magnetic field on the tube seemed to center the flame. The output from this mode was heat, and an anomalous over-unity current, on both of legs. While a hot flame shot up from the top of the center element, similar to a Bunsen burner, the two legs togheter produced about 45kW, which was considerable over-unity power, since the input wattage was small (just over 1kW). We attempted to measure the heat, but were drawn on to the next mode, and set this mode also aside for later possible research."


The device design used from Lyne (Pdf attached) isn't more different from Meyer injector and ambient air is the medium.
The important steps are: "ionization of air, formation of arc inside device and iron"

William Lyne wrote also:

"Based on the Tesla Primary Solar Ray theory, using the Kcapture process, this is my explanation for a device I call Free Energy Surprise.

I got the idea for this device from a statement by Nikola Tesla, concerning "special" uses for iron, to capture the ZPR/Primary Solar Rays. Whether or not this is exactly what Tesla meant, I believe it verifies his statement concerning special properties of iron. The device, composed of steel pipe and bar stock (about 10 lbs.), is stimulated with a 15 kv, center-tapped transformer. It operates in several modes, but in what I call the "hum" mode shows an input of 35 watts and a secondary activity of 42.6 kw, operating at or beyond the approximate K-capture voltage on each leg, ca. 7,110 volts (the K-capture voltage for iron), at the standard 60 cps. The low frequency current goes into the mass of the iron (not a 'skin effect'). The iron seems to be going to manganese and back to iron, 60 times per second. This idea is based on what appeared to be the appearance of a purple area near the top of the pipe which I recognized to be the color of manganese dioxide. The extra electrical energy might be the product of interaction with the ZPR, the ether (neutrinos?), and the iron. Since manganese is the next element down on the periodic chart, with the same mass number as iron, it sounded like a reasonable hypothesis. The voltage is not really critical, as the effect could occur so long as the voltage passed through the K-capture voltage on its way up and down, and is only supposed to cause a somewhat more definite effect when it is right on the "absorption edge"

Stan Meyer ionize ambient air in an outer chambre and mix that with water vapour (steam resonator) creating an active mixture for sended to the injectors (SS304??).
The injector design is similar to Lyne device inlcuding high voltage used inside.

In that reaction however the main key is atmospheric nitrogen as Tesla wrote (see image attached).

My theory is that Meyer have used in part Tesla technology for create the extra energy needed and have added water vapour for obtain an powerful reaction needed for run an endothermic engine.

Stan Meyer call that Thermal Explosive Energy.

Documents are here and you can read and compare these.

Thanks for read me.

[sucahyo]

Seems not suitable for piston engine but many thanks for sharing .

[tutanka]

Seems not suitable for piston engine but many thanks for sharing .

Hi Sucahyo,
Probably I don't have explain better.
For create gas needed for run an endothermic enegine you need a lot of power, only an battery or high voltage isn't sufficient.
You need more energy for ionize molecules of water, nitrogen, oxygen, etcc... the GP of Meyer prepare only air to be burned inside injector.
Meyer object was run car with endothermic engine and not created an electric car.
However you need more burnable gas for run an car engine, more gas more energy needed. You need to "create" that energy because battery isn't sufficient for obtain an OU system.
Of course.. using that system you can created electrical energy at the same time using coil of tesla but the project of Stan Meyer was other

[sucahyo]

I see. Thanks for pointing that out. It is not for an existing car but for electric car or for steam engine car I assume?

[tutanka]

I see. Thanks for pointing that out. It is not for an existing car but for electric car or for steam engine car I assume?

My vision for an electric car is use Lyne gas processor in association with tesla coil but without transmit energy on etere Is similar to Hairpin circuit but more simple and functional. After, depend from electric motor used but surely you need an step-down transformer. Attached the image. Regards

[sebosfato]

Hi tutanKA

Hi alex,

Actually the resonant cavity and gas processor, and electron extraction that meyer claimed, really work as promised. The thing is that the wfc and the gas processor work in the same manner. In the beginning meyer started with the EPG witch has the same principle of tesla and don L smith, kapanandaze...

Witch is about having more unbounded electrons free to resonate and amplify the magnetic field thereby amplifying the energy.

But is not actually needed, cause when you switch off the covalent bounding of water molecule it just falls apart.

When you take the freed electrons and take them to high energy state, you have Xrays that strike in the oxygen atoms and liberate electrons...

I'm sorry to disagree but since a while i don't really think that the nitrogen is important to the process more than retarding the speed of the flame and i will explain to you why.

Is related to the formation of the water molecule. The oxygen atom has an intelligence, that is it has the ability of releasing thermal energy from almost any substance even nitrogen if you really want but is not actually desirable cause you will end up with nitrogen oxides that are not good for the environment. But when the outer orbit of oxygen accepts the hydrogen electron you form a permanent dipole cause of the electronegativity of the oxygen, therefore what meyer say is this, you charge the oxygen so its atoms become positive (missing electrons) than when the hydrogen wants to form the hydrogen will lose its electrons and will get uncovered, so the proton start to liberate the energy of the quarks inside the proton, the universal energy...

There are 3 quarks in the proton that represent 0,3% of the energy in mass of the proton than there is the empty that represents 0,7% of the energy in mass than the rest of the mass of the proton is pure kinetic and potential energy, you just need to free this up.

The vacuum is different from empty, between electrons and the protons there is vacuum witch is not empty cause is full of quarks and anti-quarks. The empty is empty but even being empty it has a mass and therefore an energy!!!


Meyer injected the water in the injector already destabilized (covalent attraction switched off) so he could actually explode it easily.

I'm now graduating student of Physics in the most important university of latin america. I learned this thing about the protons there.

The vic work as he described and is fact it doubles the frequency...

Good luck in your theory, hope this info helps.

[tutanka]

Hi alex,

Actually the resonant cavity and gas processor, and electron extraction that meyer claimed, really work as promised. The thing is that the wfc and the gas processor work in the same manner. In the beginning meyer started with the EPG witch has the same principle of tesla and don L smith, kapanandaze...

Witch is about having more unbounded electrons free to resonate and amplify the magnetic field thereby amplifying the energy.

But is not actually needed, cause when you switch off the covalent bounding of water molecule it just falls apart.

When you take the freed electrons and take them to high energy state, you have Xrays that strike in the oxygen atoms and liberate electrons...

I'm sorry to disagree but since a while i don't really think that the nitrogen is important to the process more than retarding the speed of the flame and i will explain to you why.

Is related to the formation of the water molecule. The oxygen atom has an intelligence, that is it has the ability of releasing thermal energy from almost any substance even nitrogen if you really want but is not actually desirable cause you will end up with nitrogen oxides that are not good for the environment. But when the outer orbit of oxygen accepts the hydrogen electron you form a permanent dipole cause of the electronegativity of the oxygen, therefore what meyer say is this, you charge the oxygen so its atoms become positive (missing electrons) than when the hydrogen wants to form the hydrogen will lose its electrons and will get uncovered, so the proton start to liberate the energy of the quarks inside the proton, the universal energy...

There are 3 quarks in the proton that represent 0,3% of the energy in mass of the proton than there is the empty that represents 0,7% of the energy in mass than the rest of the mass of the proton is pure kinetic and potential energy, you just need to free this up.

The vacuum is different from empty, between electrons and the protons there is vacuum witch is not empty cause is full of quarks and anti-quarks. The empty is empty but even being empty it has a mass and therefore an energy!!!


Meyer injected the water in the injector already destabilized (covalent attraction switched off) so he could actually explode it easily.

I'm now graduating student of Physics in the most important university of latin america. I learned this thing about the protons there.

The vic work as he described and is fact it doubles the frequency...

Good luck in your theory, hope this info helps.

Fabio,
I think that you agree with me about energy needed for reaction.
More gas processed more energy needed. How you find that?
You ask that is simple explode the water.. ok.. in that way for you is simple create an video that we can watch.

[sebosfato]

I'm working on that prof of concept, but the thing is that the process meyer created, already release more energy than you put in, you will release more gas than the energy you put in, and you will ionize more gas than the energy you put in. Just because of the way he did.


One force acts over any other force, it is the electrical force, if you simply charge the matter you change the forces acting in it.

There are relations to paul brown atomic battery, and some other patents about using electric fields to recycle nuclear waste.

Do you remember joe cell?

The all thing is about charge the water. (forget orgone and BSs)

You must use the dielectric proprieties, remember electrical polarization process.

[tutanka]

I'm working on that prof of concept, but the thing is that the process meyer created, already release more energy than you put in, you will release more gas than the energy you put in, and you will ionize more gas than the energy you put in. Just because of the way he did.


One force acts over any other force, it is the electrical force, if you simply charge the matter you change the forces acting in it.

There are relations to paul brown atomic battery, and some other patents about using electric fields to recycle nuclear waste.

Do you remember joe cell?

The all thing is about charge the water. (forget orgone and BSs)

You must use the dielectric proprieties, remember electrical polarization process.

Fabio,
I know only that you want ionize some amount of molecules you need an high energy field.
My theory is that free electrons are the key for create energy needed for each of us, we don't need atomic energy in our life. High energy field can be created using molecules flow in an confined space using an electron flow at >c (speed of light) in atmospheric ambient. I have see that with my eyes when reactor was working. E=mc2 can be modified in E=m+(Q >c), as m are an flow of molecules like air , Q is free electrons flow and >c is more of speed of light but not c2.

[sebosfato]

I know but this is what meyer was doing. He was extracting heat from the quarks kinetic energy. Converting mass into energy. Meyer said that a gallon of water equals the energy of 2,5 milion barrels of oil, and he was right. The thing is what is the % of all this energy you need to run the car for one hour?

This is the % of the "ionization" or better energized state you need to get.

is an inexhaustible source of energy, cause is universal energy. Simply heat or thermal explosive energy.

Thats why the water must be irradiated again by the sun to recharge its universal energy.

Of course with the electrical polarization process you can already run cars boats ... but with the gas processor you can run rockets if you want to.

You can become the iron man. hehe

This is very safe atomic energy cause it happens inside the engine and is of so small energy that is very safe.

[tutanka]

I know but this is what meyer was doing. He was extracting heat from the quarks kinetic energy. Converting mass into energy. Meyer said that a gallon of water equals the energy of 2,5 milion barrels of oil, and he was right. The thing is what is the % of all this energy you need to run the car for one hour?

This is the % of the "ionization" or better energized state you need to get.

is an inexhaustible source of energy, cause is universal energy. Simply heat or thermal explosive energy.

Thats why the water must be irradiated again by the sun to recharge its universal energy.

Of course with the electrical polarization process you can already run cars boats ... but with the gas processor you can run rockets if you want to.

You can become the iron man. hehe

This is very safe atomic energy cause it happens inside the engine and is of so small energy that is very safe.

Goal of that thread is creation of energy using molecules, Im not focalized on water, nitrogen, etc.. We are born in the era of oil, for us is normal use gasoline and we don't accept anything of new.
Thanks to Mike that some months ago have open my mind to the free electrons.
In these months I have realized some experiments and I have build three reactors, I have also test on me the power of radiant energy.
I see with my eyes the intense white light in form of arc long 10cm produced by the free electrons captured from HV capacitor. I have read more documents about free energy and in all of these are present every free electrons. All start from here! Tesla have understand that high voltage at high frequency generating arc discharge open an door based on new waves of energy (for me electrons non polarized). An real example about that is hairpin circuit that you can found some video on youtube. Tesla during experiments have found that air can be used as medium and can be trasformed in energy if the "door" is open. That method increase a lot the amount of energy respect to method like kapanadze. Tesla had planned to use this technology for powered the Wanderclyffe Tower! Air is composed from nitrogen, oxygen and are gas but Tesla during experiments have understand that atmospheric nitrogen was the key for obtain that reaction. You can read that in Tesla manifesto of 1 Jan. 1904.

[SilverToGold]

Interesting idea and glad you're checking it out.

I don't know much about Meyer's methods other than some real basics but I have studies Lyne's work and more and more Tesla's work.

Lyne's process you've outlined is about k-capture or transmutation of iron to unstable Manganese back to iron - with a subsequent release of energy drawn from the vacuum (Tesla's revelation is that ALL energy comes from the vacuum and NOT from mass "conversion").

If you really study Tesla and follow Lyne's work, you'll realize they both did NOT buy into the great Einsteinian Lie of E=mc^2 or "space time" curvature. They both considered them preposterous and totally against Tesla's concept of nature gained from hand's on observation and real experimentation (not Einstein's so called Gedanken Experiments - 'thought' experiments).

Using Relativity to discuss OU processes is like using lawyer talk to explain love.

As far as Meyer's work, I would be very cautious in taking what he said with any faith, he was paranoid and deceptive about his methods in order to protect his great discovery and like all of his ilk, they made sure he took it to his grave (with the assistance of poison) as humanity continues to suffer and die needlessly. I hope all those that wish to "protect" their ideas learn from his example.

Good luck on your experimentations.

[tutanka]

Interesting idea and glad you're checking it out.

I don't know much about Meyer's methods other than some real basics but I have studies Lyne's work and more and more Tesla's work.

Lyne's process you've outlined is about k-capture or transmutation of iron to unstable Manganese back to iron - with a subsequent release of energy drawn from the vacuum (Tesla's revelation is that ALL energy comes from the vacuum and NOT from mass "conversion").

If you really study Tesla and follow Lyne's work, you'll realize they both did NOT buy into the great Einsteinian Lie of E=mc^2 or "space time" curvature. They both considered them preposterous and totally against Tesla's concept of nature gained from hand's on observation and real experimentation (not Einstein's so called Gedanken Experiments - 'thought' experiments).

Using Relativity to discuss OU processes is like using lawyer talk to explain love.

As far as Meyer's work, I would be very cautious in taking what he said with any faith, he was paranoid and deceptive about his methods in order to protect his great discovery and like all of his ilk, they made sure he took it to his grave (with the assistance of poison) as humanity continues to suffer and die needlessly. I hope all those that wish to "protect" their ideas learn from his example.

Good luck on your experimentations.

Hello,
There are some theories on Meyer, that is only the mine. About Lyne and Tesla .. After reading some documents I have found that Tesla have experimented trasmutation and I think that Lyne in part understand what Tesla have found.
Still do not understand why Tesla did not make public his work as he was driven to do good of humanity, I am sure that doing so would be remembered tesla in time instead of being forgotten as it is currently.
I agree with you, experiment and not just write words but then I first begin a project I have a theory established. Regards

[SilverToGold]

Few know or understand Tesla's true goal. All of his work and passions were geared towards his creation of his ideal flying machine. He is the father of what we call UFO's. They are all Tesla's children and he was probably murdered in the government's attempt to gain all information on his ideas.

He figured out the basics of this between 1892-1894 (in his Dynamic Theory of Gravity) and he held it in close confidence because he truly believed he would live well into his 100's. He wanted to be the one to explore this undiscovered territory and did not foresee his early death. He had fully planned to disclose all of his discoveries but now it is only held in the hands of the secret government.

Lyne understand's Tesla like no other and I hope more people studies his work and expound upon it.

Again, Tesla's goal was not free energy or energy research... that was just a means to an end. The end being his ideal flying machine that we see today in the secret government's use of his idea that they call "UFO's".

There are no aliens, no space-time curvature, no Relativity or time travel. There are only lies and the truth and the closest we've ever been to that truth was over 100 years ago. Since then, it has all been a downward turn with the great lies of Einstein and his like.

[sucahyo]

My vision for an electric car is use Lyne gas processor in association with tesla coil but without transmit energy on etere Is similar to Hairpin circuit but more simple and functional. After, depend from electric motor used but surely you need an step-down transformer. Attached the image. Regards

Thanks. I think we can use Tesla MHD to tap energy from the heat too.