HHO Production Stan Meyer style

[jtanguay]

Hi guys,

I'm new to here but I've been soaking up a lot of information and just recently got access to post. I really want to get Stan Meyer's HHO production rolling. Taking a close look at the toroid specifications it would seem like it is a 2:1 transformer configuration. I'm no expert on transformers, but just looking at how a toroid loops around is very interesting and I think is the key to its success.

"In the Example of a fuel cell circuit of FIG. 1, a water capacitor is included.
The step-up coil is formed on a conventional torroidal core formed of a compressed
ferromagnetic powdered material that will not itself become permanently magnetized,
such as the trademarked "Ferramic 06# "Permag" powder as described in Siemens Ferrites
Catalog,CG-2000-002-121, (Cleveland, Ohio) No. F626-1205. The core is 1.50 inch in
diameter and 0.25 inch in thickness. A primary coil of 200 turns of 24 gauge copper
wire is provided and a coil of 600 turns of 36 gauge wire comprises the secondary winding."

What really intrigues me is that the toroid is so small? The only way I'm going to be able to wind it up is to wind a thin lon stick and pass it through the hole in the middle (tedious but hopefully rewarding process?)

I've ordered one of the 6" fan kits that Rick is selling and then wound my own air coil and hooked it up to the circuit and made it semi solid state as John shows in his book. It only uses two coils and not three. Just with the output I'm getting some hydrogen production with regular tap water and about 12 watts input. It's very little production, but considering the input and the lack of electrolyte, I think I'm on the right track. The air coil consists of approx 300 turns of 24 gauge wire wrapped in solenoid fashion with 900 turns of 34 gauge wire. The capacitor discharge circuit produces more hydrogen than just directly charging the water capacitor. Whats nice too is that I can hear the SCR auto tune as the tube is immersed in the water.

Is it just me, or is Stan Meyer's system a whole lot like John Bedini's solid state charger? The impedance matching circuit could be the resonant self tuning circuit? Or similar?

I've taken apart a few computer power supplies and they have a nice little toroid that is the right size for the job too if anyone has any kicking around and want to experiment. The good ones contain nice full wave bridge rectifiers and other odds and ends. I wonder if each tube requires its own toroid? That would be quite interesting.

I personally think that Stan was trying to complicate things in order to confuse people into what he was actually doing. Probably the reason he died was the secrecy and lack of faith in releasing his technology open source. To those whom much is given, much will be required. Let's finally solve this mystery and start benefiting from it!

Edit: adding another question about his use of stainless steel wire wrap on the pulsing core:


Voltage Intensifier Circuit (60) of Figure (3-22) (Memo WFC 422 DA) as to Figure (1-1)
(Memo WFC 420) and Voltage Intensifier Circuit (620) of Figure (7-1) are specifically designed to
restrict amp flow during Programmable Pulsing Operations (49a xxx 49n) but in different
operational modes: VIC voltage circuit (60) utilizes copper wire-wrap to form Resonant Charging
Chokes (56/62) of Figure (3-22) in conjunction with Switching Diode (55) to encourage and make
use of "Electron Bounce" phenomena (700) of Figure (7-9) to help promote Step Charging Effect
(628) of Figure (7-7) by preventing electrical discharge of Resonant Cavity (140 - 170) since
Blocking Diode functions as an "Open" switch during Pulse Off-time; whereas, VIC Voltage
Enhancement Circuit (VIC - VB) (620) of Figure (7-1) incorporates the use of stainless steel wirewrap
coils (614/615) to accomplish the formation of unipolar gated pulse-wave (64a xxx T3 xxx
64n) without experiencing "signal distortion" or "signal degradation" (preventing transformer
ringing during signal propagation) as elevated voltage levels ( - xx Vc- xx Vd - xx Vn) while
allowing the reduction of Capacitor-Gap (Cp) (616) of Figure (7-11) width spacing (57 of Figure 3-
25 ~35 of Figure 6-2) (typically .060 - .010) respectively. as illustrated in Tubular Resonant Cavity
(170) as to Taper Resonant Cavity (620) of Figure (7-1).

[mikrovolt]

There is some relationship

PVRT pressure, volume, rate, and temperature. these variables need to be
close but some success can be had by adjusting them accordingly.

The resonant cavity design was developed from the hho cell using concentric ss tubes. later going to concentric tapered or conical shape.

The P (pressure) inside the cavity has a high likelihood of being vacuum.

The V (volume) guess about 5 inches high and 1.75 inches outside but
more importantly the inside would accomidate the rate.

The Rate (rate) of modified water being introduced into the cavity is in pico liters per second.

The VIC is ever adjusting and functions between this cavity and the next stage. The rate of explosive power needs be fail safe so exaust gas is introduced to make sure the fuel cannot go ballistic, beside the mixer settings the optical sensors are in a control loop to fine tune by restricting amp flow. Stan was a man concerned with safety.

Coming back to the relationship to Bedini circuit some simularity but
whole new set of components and enviroment such as HV and gas.

some of the principals that could be integrated:
Open system, maintained dipole, arrangement of molecular orientation, radiant control, radiant efficiency.

[jtanguay]

Coming back to the relationship to Bedini circuit some simularity but
whole new set of components and enviroment such as HV and gas.

some of the principals that could be integrated:
Open system, maintained dipole, arrangement of molecular orientation, radiant control, radiant efficiency.

Thanks for the input. I do recall watching one of Stan's video's explaining that his resonant choke coils could be replaced with a simple resistor at reduced efficiency. I wonder if choke coils were used instead of resistors on Bedini's system if that would make it even more efficient then?

I think the Bedini tricoil solid state charger is very similar to Stan's setup. You have the primary coil, an impedance matching coil (pulse pickup coil) and then the secondary, a diode, and a resistor.

Stan was very indeed thinking about safety and building a complete conversion for current automobiles. That's probably why he died. It would've only taken about 5 years max to really cripple the oil industry the way he was going. Seeing as how the leaders of this world value our lives at just around a million dollars at 'birth' it makes sense why he poisoned. But they cannot extinguish the spark created. Thank God!

[jtanguay]

Going back to Stan's toroid:

AWG Ohms per 1000 ft Diam (inch)
24 25.67 .0201 (200 turns)
36 414.8 .0050 (600 turns)

So I'd like to correct my first post in that it is not a 1:2 transformer but much greater than that. The wire length makes it a 1:3 transformer. The thin wire will also greatly impede amp flow, and the toroid will even further impede amp flow. Like he said it's really just voltage potential.

The only problem is that I only have 24 and 34 gauge wire. But I still think I can get some worthwhile results from this.

I'll have to play around with resistor values to find the sweet spot, but I'll also need to find out what wire to use and how many turns for the 'pulse pickup' to trigger the transistor.

I'll keep you guys posted. It might be a little while before I get the toroid all wound up. I'm thinking now of just using a piece from a metal coat hanger and winding my wire on there and then passing it through the middle of the toroid. It's crude but without one of those fancy machines it's all I've got.

Peace.

[joe 2]

hi dude

I would avoid the toroid co`s its not in the his vic matrix patent, probably best to use the later patents. The stainless wire looks like it is used with his injectors so avoiding them will save u a lot of hassle. Read the vic patent and learn the different technologys he talks of (vic and vec) as he flips between them almost in the same sentence, this makes reading his patents easier, i think the vic is a simplier build. His vic is reasonably well described except the primary coil, he said the primary is bi-directional wrap...bi is 2, 2 directions and wrap means wrapped around the former. The bi-directional is one half of the transformer primary is wound in one direction and the other half is then wound in the opposite direction forming 2 coils of opposing magnetic fields, this is wound longitudal to the chokes and secondary,i am 98% certain that is exactly how it is wound. Another tip would be if u put a resistor in miss out the voltage multiplier coil for now but not the electron inhibitor coil, you can make it a variable resistor for easy adjustment.

I have had this producing gas but there is some sort of "tuneing" needed i cannot work out at the moment, but haveing gas production with uA`s flowing out of my mini vic shows it can be done.

hope that is of some help.

[joe 2]

whatever

I find it interesting that someone says they are really interested in meyers work but then lose that interest so quickly. hmmm

[oneway]

Stanley Meyer Circuit

Has anyone here heard of Dave Lawton or Ravi? Apparently Dave Lawton was able to replicate Stanley Meyers Water Fuel Cell (WFC) using 5" tubes. This was not high producing but it worked making it a proof-of-concept. Ravi then used 9" tubes and replicated Dave Lawtons setup that yielded better results. Supposedly Dave Lawton is now laying low do to pressure/threats from anonymous sources (this may or may not be true it is just the word on the net). Regardless, there are 2 pdf documents on the internet with specific instructions on how to replicate the experiments including schematics of what they used for the electronics. If anyone would like copies of these pdf files just let me know your email and I will gladly send them since I don't believe I can post them here. I myself am trying to understand the whole resonant frequency needed to be generated etc and at what voltage levels. I learned from Ravi's pdf document that the tubes should have matching resonant frequencies. My question however is, what frequency should the VIC (voltage intensifier circuit) be outputting? Should it be the same as the tubes resonant frequencies? If so how would one build a VIC that could handle a wide range of frequencies so that they could test using the same electronics on different sized tubes. Thanks everyone for your genuine interest in making this technology possible!

[newtech99]

This is Stan's resonant cavity control circuit and it is supposed to adjust the frequency by itself to whatever cell is connected to it to maintain resonance: Stan's Dream - Becoming Reality.
This is the only place I've seen on the net that it outright selling these as kits. The circuits are all over the net, and would make a very interesting project

[PABLOTREKK]

Has anyone here heard of Dave Lawton or Ravi? Apparently Dave Lawton was able to replicate Stanley Meyers Water Fuel Cell (WFC) using 5" tubes. This was not high producing but it worked making it a proof-of-concept. Ravi then used 9" tubes and replicated Dave Lawtons setup that yielded better results. Supposedly Dave Lawton is now laying low do to pressure/threats from anonymous sources (this may or may not be true it is just the word on the net). Regardless, there are 2 pdf documents on the internet with specific instructions on how to replicate the experiments including schematics of what they used for the electronics. If anyone would like copies of these pdf files just let me know your email and I will gladly send them since I don't believe I can post them here. I myself am trying to understand the whole resonant frequency needed to be generated etc and at what voltage levels. I learned from Ravi's pdf document that the tubes should have matching resonant frequencies. My question however is, what frequency should the VIC (voltage intensifier circuit) be outputting? Should it be the same as the tubes resonant frequencies? If so how would one build a VIC that could handle a wide range of frequencies so that they could test using the same electronics on different sized tubes. Thanks everyone for your genuine interest in making this technology possible!

hello, good afternoon, I see you're a member who is devoted to the hydroxy gas generator, I'm losing my mind for so much and varied information for the construction of one of the most efficient, is for use in a vehicle with combustion engine , and this generator you want to build myself. My question or request is if you found one of the generators with the directions to build, electronic components that are needed, plans for the circuits,. For me this is the most critical because the electrodes was investigated and most recomendabre are tubes 1 "and 3/4" with a sound tuning to get to have a resonant frequency identical (if not well but I prevented this), and the EFIE is relatively easy to build, the induction coil is not so easy, because at least two types, one with parallel ferrite and a ferrite-wire, neither good few laps must be given to each coil because Dave Lawton proposes 100 turns of 22 SWG (21 AWG) enamelled copper wire on a 9 mm (3/8 ") diameter ferrite rod for output voltage is Lowered by 220/820, in contrast to the theory of Stanley Meyer proposes 20,000 v!!! Not whether or not the model of Dave Lawton served although there are videos where he proves that if. I take the example of Dave Lawton because it seems a relatively simple model and possible, but in contrast to theories of Stanley Meyer is a big difference. Thanks for taking the time to my order. If only I can answer for something I wrote to thank him, because I joined the initiative to reduce environmental pollution as it has in this world, using alternative energy sources with low environmental impact.

[PABLOTREKK]

hello, good afternoon, I see you're a member who is devoted to the hydroxy gas generator, I'm losing my mind for so much and varied information for the construction of one of the most efficient, is for use in a vehicle with combustion engine , and this generator you want to build myself. My question or request is if you found one of the generators with the directions to build, electronic components that are needed, plans for the circuits,. For me this is the most critical because the electrodes was investigated and most recomendabre are tubes 1 "and 3/4" with a sound tuning to get to have a resonant frequency identical (if not well but I prevented this), and the EFIE is relatively easy to build, the induction coil is not so easy, because at least two types, one with parallel ferrite and a ferrite-wire, neither good few laps must be given to each coil because Dave Lawton proposes 100 turns of 22 SWG (21 AWG) enamelled copper wire on a 9 mm (3/8 ") diameter ferrite rod for output voltage is Lowered by 220/820, in contrast to the theory of Stanley Meyer proposes 20,000 v!!! Not whether or not the model of Dave Lawton served although there are videos where he proves that if. I take the example of Dave Lawton because it seems a relatively simple model and possible, but in contrast to theories of Stanley Meyer is a big difference. Thanks for taking the time to my order. If only I can answer for something I wrote to thank him, because I joined the initiative to reduce environmental pollution as it has in this world, using alternative energy sources with low environmental impact.

pablotrekk@gmail.com my mail!!!!