HHO into COP figures for Bedini SS SSG

[minoly]

I searched and could not find if this has been talked about. If it has please let me know and I can kill this thread
we just posted a video of our solid state SSG producing hydrogen

IN the battery itself:

YouTube - min2oly's Channel

This also works on the pulse motor type, our vid just happens to be the solid state. so, how can we close the loop on this one

is there a known amount of hydrogen that produces x amount of joules or something like that so I don't have to build a motor that runs on hydrogen to produce electricity to add it to the COP etc...


Patrick

[Neight]

Hey Patrick
interesting video!
unfortunately I don't know the answer to your question, though I have played around with hooking the output of the SSG directly to some electrodes in an electrolyte solution, and did notice it does an excellent job at producing hydrogen. I wasn't sure if it would work very well, and half expected the neon on the SSG to light up when i tried it. I have not measured the results, since I do not have a decent system set up to make hydrogen, this was something I wanted to get back to in the future to test when I had a better setup built.
Glad to see you are working on it, maybe I will get something put together and try and help test this (provided no one has the answer already )
I am interested to see what comes of it. it seems like using an SSG (solid state or other wise) would be a very efficient way of doing electrolysis. very low input voltage/current, and rapid high output voltage should be able to make a lot of HHO and not drain a battery input nearly as fast as a direct from the battery setup like I have tried in the past.
hope I can help out in some way!
N8

[minoly]

Hydrogen and Oxygen

Well,
I hope at the very least you all are being safe with your batteries.
knowing that they produce hydrogen and pure oxygen.

keep them in a well ventilated area

AWAY FROM SPARKS!




Lead Acid Battery Maintenance and Safety Protocol

Lead-acid batteries are physically large batteries that contain lead plates in a solution of acid to create electricity. They are a common power source for many applications; mostly cars, boats, standby power generators. Each year a state employee is injured during the operation and maintenance of these batteries. Nationally, 2300 people are injured each year using lead acid batteries. Acid burns to the face and eyes comprise about 50% of these injuries as these batteries can easily explode. The remaining injuries were mostly due to lifting or dropping batteries as they are quite heavy.



Lead-Acid battery Basics:

The electrolyte is a solution of sulfuric acid (35%) and water (65%). This solution can cause chemical burns to the skin and especially to the eyes.
During normal operation, water is lost from a non-sealed (or flooded) battery due to evaporation.
During charging, lead acid batteries produce hydrogen and oxygen gases (highly flammable/explosive) as electrolysis occurs.
Many lead acid explosions are believed to occur when electrolytes are below the plates in the battery and thus, allowing space for hydrogen/oxygen to accumulate. When the battery is engaged, it may create a spark that ignites the accumulated gases and causes the battery to explode.


Standard Precautions:

Always store or recharge batteries in a well ventilated area away from sparks or open flames
Damaged lead acid batteries shall be kept in properly labeled acid-resistant secondary containment structures.
Use only chargers that are designed for the battery being charged.
Always keep lead acid battery vent caps securely in place.
Do not store acid in hot locations or in direct sunlight.
Pour concentrated acid SLOWLY into water; do not add water into acid.
Use nonmetallic containers and funnels.
If acid gets into your eyes, flush immediately with water for 15 minutes, and then promptly seek medical attention.
If acid gets on your skin, rinse the affected area immediately with large amounts of water. Seek medical attention if the chemical burns appears to be a second degree or greater.
Never over charge a lead acid battery and only replenish fluid with distilled water.
Emergency wash stations should be located near lead-acid battery storage and charging areas.
Prevent open flames, sparks or electric arcs in charging areas.
Lead-acid storage and charging areas should be posted with "Flammable - No Smoking" signs.
Neutralize spilled or splashed sulfuric acid solution with a baking soda solution, and rinse the spill area with clean water.

What to do when servicing batteries:

Keep metal tools and jewelry away from the battery.
Inspect for defective cables, loose connections, corroded cable connectors or battery terminals, cracked cases or covers, loose hold-down clamps and deformed or loosed terminal posts.
Replace worn or unserviceable parts.
Check the state of charge of non-sealed and sealed batteries with an accurate digital voltmeter while the engine is not running, and lights and other electrically-powered equipment are turned off. Also check the electrolyte levels and specific gravity in each cell of non-sealed batteries.
When checking the electrolyte liquid levels of the batteries use a rated flashlight that is intrinsically safe. In the event one is not available, Use a plastic/non metallic flashlight, turn on the flash light prior to getting near the battery when checking cell levels and turn off the flash light when you are away from the batteries.
Follow the battery manufacturer's recommendations about when to recharge or replace batteries.
Tighten cable clamp nuts with the proper size wrench. Avoid subjecting battery terminals to excessive twisting forces.
Use a cable puller to remove a cable clamp from the battery terminal.
Remove corrosion on the terminal posts, hold-down tray and hold-down parts.
Use a tapered brush to clean battery terminals and the cable clamps.
Wash and clean the battery, battery terminals, and case or tray with water. The corrosive acid can be neutralized by brushing on some baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) solution. If the solution does not bubble, the acid is probably neutralized. Rinse the battery with water to remove the baking soda solution.
To prevent shocks, never touch or come in contact with both terminals at the same time. If baking soda solution is applied with a cloth, remember that these solutions can conduct electricity.
When battery cables are removed, ensure that they are clearly marked "positive" and "negative" so that they are reconnected with the correct polarity.
Use a battery carrier to lift a battery, or place hands at opposite corners. Remember, batteries can weight 30 to 60 pounds, so practice safe lifting and carrying procedures to prevent back injuries.
Use a self-leveling filler that automatically fills the battery to a predetermined level. Never fill battery cells about the level indicator.
Do not squeeze the syringe so hard that the water splashes acid from the cell opening.

Required safety equipment in the battery recharging area:

Plumbed tepid water safety shower and eyewash station.
Personal or Portable eyewash stations may be installed in the area immediate to the battery charging, if plumbed units can not be installed. However, plumbed tepid water wash stations must be installed nearby to facilitate the required flushing of the eyes and skin.
Non-vented safety goggles
Face shield (considered secondary safety protection)
Acid resistant gloves (neoprene is sufficient)
Apron (If there is a potential to spill acid)
Steel-toe boots or foot guards if the battery is lifted


Forklift Battery Information:

Some forklifts use nickel-iron (Ni-Fe) batteries. The personal protective equipment (PPE) requirements will be similar to lead-acid battery handling, though you should verify the chemical resistance of the gloves against the potassium hydroxide electrolyte solution and select appropriately.
Note that the electrolytes used in lead acid (sulfuric acid) and nickel iron (potassium hydroxide) batteries are incompatible. If your facility has both types in use, take appropriate precautions to avoid mixing the solutions.
To protect against the danger associated with the battery's weight, the batteries should only be removed and replaced from the forklifts using an appropriately equipped forklift or battery cart specifically designed for transporting batteries.
Batteries being removed should be securely placed and restrained in the cart or forklift to avoid dropping the battery.




Prior to starting the standby generator:

Check the engine starting batteries to determine if the batteries are sealed or unsealed lead acid.
If the batteries are unsealed lead acid, check the electrolyte level in the battery before starting the generator.
If the electrolyte is low and the plates are exposed, do not start the generator. Add distilled water to the electrolyte to specified level in battery.
i. Wear gloves, safety glasses/goggles, face shield and apron.
ii. Follow the instructions for adding water.
Wait at least an hour to allow time for the hydrogen gas generated in the battery to dissipate in the environment.

[Neight]

you know, sometimes my brain just needs a trigger to remember that it already knows something
I have known for years that batteries make HHO when they are being charged. I worked on a pit crew for a race team for a year, and we made a custom battery charging box for the team (the cars they raced had to be push started, and the box contained a large battery at the bottom with a panel over it, then a charger above that, that could be plugged in from the outside, then above the charger was the starter unit for testing the engine while the car was out of gear) we could not charge the battery with the panels on it because of the HHO produced while charging. once i read the safety info posted here, something in it triggered a memory of that charging box and the HHO safety lid we put on the box (could just open the battery case up with a hinged lid, rather than dig all that stuff back out of the box to charge the battery safely).
funny how some stuff just sits dormant in your mind for years until it's triggered for recall

In my short experiment I tried, I hooked the output of the SSG directly to the electrodes in a cup of water and baking soda to make hydrogen, in place of the charge battery. I was only using copper contacts at the time, to see if it worked. I am looking to build a setup with several steal plates and the KOH to see if decent volume of gas can be generated from the output of the SSG. discharge a battery running the SSG to make HHO, then charge it back up with another SSG and a cap pulser make use out of a few of these machines at once
I would like to find a small engine I can modify to run on HHO and do some testing, but that is for later. for right now i would like to just test output and collect the HH and O separately, to be able to measure both. looks like I have a bit of building to do again
thanks for the info Patrick
N8

[minoly]

Hi N8,
I hear you on that one, so much is stored in our brains. That's the real hidden energy IMHO.

Check this one out:
YouTube - Weed eater running on pure hydrogen made from Water without Electricity

I don't know about Aluminum/Potassium hydroxide into hydrogen, we could never get that part going, so who knows this engine could be a hoax as well. he could have the hose connected to the engines air intake and the engine get's choked off when it can't breath for all I know.

If real, this could be converted to a generator... or better yet might be a sterling type engine.

Patrick

[Neight]

Hi N8,
I hear you on that one, so much is stored in our brains. That's the real hidden energy IMHO.

Check this one out:
YouTube - Weed eater running on pure hydrogen made from Water without Electricity

I don't know about Aluminum/Potassium hydroxide into hydrogen, we could never get that part going, so who knows this engine could be a hoax as well. he could have the hose connected to the engines air intake and the engine get's choked off when it can't breath for all I know.

If real, this could be converted to a generator... or better yet might be a sterling type engine.

Patrick

interesting video! I did see something similar to that in another video. they were also using no electricity to split the water, though they were using some kind of metal alloy and they did not say what it is. I always figured it was a Mg alloy of some kind (perhaps magnesium and aluminum?) because magnesium makes hydrogen on contact with water. in the video i saw the water looked like it was boiling, and they were running a bigger engine from 6 chambers all making HHO and all connected into one inlet tube going to the air intake. I will see if i can find that video again and post it here. it was interesting and I have wanted to figure out what alloy they were using, they said it was cheep and abundant. that is part of the reason I figured it was magnesium and something else, because magnesium is not very expensive to get, just don't know what the other alloy metal was.

I ran a test with a buddy of mine that was pretty cool, though horribly inefficient.
He had built an electrolysis setup with several steal plates and KOH. we would let that fill up a collector in a fish tank (I don't know the volume of the collector, but it was less than a 1 gallon container) once the collection chamber was full we would start up a one cylinder engine that was connected to a generator. we would start the engine on gasoline and once it was going we would hook up the HHO to the air intake and shut off the gasoline intake. it would run for a bit over 5 minutes once the gas was shut off before it exhausted the HHO supply in the collection container. We could not get the electrolyses to make HHO fast enough to keep the engine running, and the whole thing would drain the battery we were using much faster than the generator on the engine could put energy back in. it was a neat experiment, but nothing revolutionary

[Neight]

not the video I was talking about, but this one is interesting!

YouTube - Engine Runs on Water!

also found this one, again not the video I am looking for, but it shows them putting metal into a tank for a chemical reaction to make hydrogen, and no electrolysis

YouTube - Hydrogen generator

enjoy
N8

[ZeropointEnergy]

Great work

I searched and could not find if this has been talked about. If it has please let me know and I can kill this thread
we just posted a video of our solid state SSG producing hydrogen

IN the battery itself:

YouTube - min2oly's Channel

This also works on the pulse motor type, our vid just happens to be the solid state. so, how can we close the loop on this one

is there a known amount of hydrogen that produces x amount of joules or something like that so I don't have to build a motor that runs on hydrogen to produce electricity to add it to the COP etc...


Patrick

Hey Minoly,

Congratulations on thinking of blending the Bedini SSG/Solid State SSG output to utilize another use other than charging batteries.

All I know about HHO production is that is highly inefficient compared to the energy output (Joules) unless you use PWM and I could never find verified data on that issue only "Stanley Meyer" plans or criticism.
I really wanted to try make convertion for my car due to the amazing potential energy in HHO vs Petrolium.
Sorry I cant help with Joules equations on this topic.

I have played around with HHO production with a variac going into a
2A/400V bridge rectifier and a 350V cap bank (added 10 caps in parallel
350V/33uF)
That was producing huge amount of HHO at 500W and I always wanted to
add a PWM circuit to it to improve efficiency.
Now I'm thinking Bedini SSG may to low cost, high performance substitute
for a PWM circuit. Using this methodology I can obtain 40-300Hz with my SSG set-up, however, I don't understand the relationship between the frequency and duty cycle vs HHO production.
Also wasn't safe and next time I added a second containment vessel for the
Hyrogen output tube independant from the Oxygen production.

Thanks for the making your findings available is getting my mind to race and I'm sure will draw up designs for that soon, if get time as Bedini SSG and new Tesla Coil keeping me busy.

Regards
Zero