Looks like H20power was correct?

[Karl]

Here is a video he made recently splitting distilled water at 150v 0.8A

YouTube - ‪Chronicles of h2opower #5‬‏

Edit google the following... 8XA Circuit

[streetluger06]

The theory behind it is strong so there is no reason it shouldn't work. And Meyers used this method 30 years ago so its just a matter of doing it correctly again.

[Karl]

The theory behind it is strong so there is no reason it shouldn't work. And Meyers used this method 30 years ago so its just a matter of doing it correctly again.

It seems to be working for those who are trying, could it be that the lindermsn theory is wrong about catastrophic capacitive discharge?

[Unite]

yea just thought id add my too cents on Stanly Meyers Water Fuel Cell iv read all the material, saw many diagrams, read the way it works and it is perfectly sound. Iv also noticed a lot of people have been claiming it works just as it should work, with a lot of videos out there on replication showing it in action while taking the measurements. There's also a great amount of great free info on how to build it, one such place Panacea University - Courses at the very bottom on page

[joe 2]

meyer

It does not matter to me if it is meyers process as long as it has the same hho output, unfortunately h2opower has not got anything usefull here in my opinion, we can wait for a breakthru from him but it will not come from this setup.

Anybody looking into meyers work should remember that the patents are wrong, that is information has been altered. The only way to get his stuff working is to figure out the science behind it.

[Unite]

i think you can find that here Panacea University - Courses at the bottom of this page(as far as the science and replicating it) and h-h-o gas can be extremely useful if you could get a generator to run off it without a doubt it would give you cop>1 from 36 watts respectively (depending on the build) to possible kilowatts and this method is just focusing on the electrical cop. 6 litters a minute h-h-o gas is a lot of energy. it will be a project and you will probably have to tweak the generator to work on h-h-o gas i believe this site explains how it can be done (http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/) somewhere on that site
WARNING___ OF COURSE USE PROPER SAFETY H-H-O GAS IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS (VERY EXPLOSIVE, AND FLAMMABLE) AND IF YOU DECIDE TO TAKE ANY OF THIS INFO,AND GO ABOUT REPLICATING IT AND GET YOURSELF HURT/KILLED IT IS COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT AND NO ONE OTHER THEN YOURSELF IS RELIABLE FOR WHAT EVERY MIGHT HAPPEN.

[joe 2]

does it work?

Hi unite

Does old ravi`s cell work? i can find nobody that has shown it working just some post`s asking if anyone has. It does not fit with meyers technology or at least the technology i am working on, maybe his early work is different (8xa circuit) but i don`t think it`s that different also meyers 8xa patent in my opinion and stephen meyers are incomplete, my research has shown that the vic matrix circuit will never work from the patents schematics and description. Why would he give certain build information that is so completely wrong? For a patent you simplify and hide your inventions build info.

[thedude]

running a generator on hydrogen .... not HHO gas.

I believe Ash with Panacea is currently working with the same cell that i was using today on my way home in operation in this video of a H/O separator cell in my Suzuki Side Kick.

I am generating this output from the left side tube(hydrogen only!) using 10.5amps at 12.15 amps. Although i did not measure my amperage 11 amps is the max i've been able to push through the current electrolyte that i'm using with this vehicle. So doing some rough math on the wattage... well, I don't need to do the math for you. I'll admitt that there are a lot of variable in every system that need to be accounted for. This is not to discredit what H2opower is doing whatsoever. I have invested a lot of time and money in trying to replicate what Stan was doing. But in the end what i truly did realize is that Stan might have found great efficiency with HIS process, his cell model, his type of current, his bifilar chokes but all he discovered was the potential of water and the hydrogen that is waiting inside of it. There are many ways to achieve an efficient model. I would take my own leap and say that the basic cell design and the electrical current transfer efficiency (losses in connection through heat in the mosfets and wires and such) are far more important to achieving the potential within water. The hydrogen is already there, we don't need to conjure it with a fancy circuit... necessarily . I guess it all depends on what your trying to achieve within your model.

I'm not too sure about running a generator on HHO... but i do know a bit about running one on pure hydrogen (although i'll admit i'm still learning so much). Just try to imagine what the combined oxygen and hydrogen gases will do when ignited? At that ratio the hydrogen fuel will burn up in such a oxygen rich environment that it will literally collapse in a vacuum instead of burning expansively in a combustion engine. Is that going to push a piston out and away? Does it really matter what you do to help with messing with MAP sensors and screwing around with timing to fix the way HHO behaves together in the cylinder. With those two in there your going to be lucky just to get your motor to run properly. Bottom line. Lucky or really good with oxygen and Map sensors. Take away that oxygen??? Well, there's a whole other story.

I'm not trying to debate anyone or hyjack this thread in any way. I love what H2opower is doing. I just want to share some of my very recent experiences with a separator cell. And proclaim what i am endeavouring to achieve in the very near future.

I just recieved these two 24volt @ 50amp DC Power Amplifiers (two black ones on top)

And i'm in the process of upgrading these two separator cells to 24volts(doubling the neutrals)

In order to run this electric generator (modified with a intake/exhaust exchanger similar to a GEET reactor with no vapour tank.

The amps are capable of generating 2400watts DC combined. I'm not yet certain what they will consume to create that wattage, however I am absolutely positively certain that i'll be generating far more hydrogen than i need to run the generator. The generator is rated to produce 6250watts (thought it was 6600).
Soon I will have answers, for now i only have great hopes and dreams.

Thanks for listening and feel free to take everything i say with a grain of salt.

Karl, if you are H2opower then i'm very sorry for interjecting like this and i will diminish. I have no intention of derailing anyone's efforts or intentions with H2opowers line of experimentation. Just want to make it clear that there are other ways to benefit from hydrogen from water with excesses (hopefully soon) with out following a very strict recipe. my personal opinion is that the cells all need to be designed to specifically suit their function and input source.

[joe 2]

Awesome dude

Some impressive worksmanship has gone into that, looks like good results as well.

Just to get back on track with the question has h2opower done it with that transformer getting uncomfortable to touch in such a short time with a cooling fan and .8A in (mains or battery?) 150v out what is causing all that heat? thats a big power loss as well. The u tube page says it`s distilled water does it work with tap water? How many tubes are needed to run a 1.6litre engine?

Time will tell if i am wrong and hopefully i am then we can all be driving around in water powered cars.

[chasson321]

h2opower and the series setup

Awesome dude

Just to get back on track with the question has h2opower done it with that transformer getting uncomfortable to touch in such a short time with a cooling fan and .8A in (mains or battery?) 150v out what is causing all that heat? thats a big power loss as well. The u tube page says it`s distilled water does it work with tap water? How many tubes are needed to run a 1.6litre engine?

Time will tell if i am wrong and hopefully i am then we can all be driving around in water powered cars.

Initially h2opower wired his three tubsets in parallel with the 8XE circuit. Driving it at around 15 to 20 amps at about 150 volts if I remember correctly. One tube alone was only able to go to only 75 volts pulling 5 to 6 amps.

After receiving the picture of Stans original WFC from the dunebuggy, the one showing it wired in series, he then went and wired his in series. He was immediately able to take his three tubesets wired in series to over 300 volts at about 2 amps. That amp draw was further reduced by hooking the chokes up correctly. He has since been able to push his cell to 500 volts at about 3.5 amps.

This heats up the chokes pretty fast and also the water. He thinks and from what has already been made evident that as the amount of tubes is increased the amp draw will further decrease and the voltage will continue to increase.

The heating of the chokes is due inpart from the circuit not being able to go into resonance because the three tubesets are not creating enough resistance. Therefore, too much of a load is being put on the transformer.

Currently his voltage is coming from a varaic going into a step up transformer (2 to 1) then to the bridge rectifier on the circuit (found at GlobalKast). Scope shot just shows line current and not what is to be expected from the circuit.

Hooking up a neon sign transformer to the varaic minus the 2 to 1 transformer, gives the perfect resonant wave. However, since there are not enough tubesets this is too much of a load for the neon sign transformer which is limited to 30ma output. We are hopeing that when the new 12 tubeset WFC is completed these problems will be eliminated.

@Joe 2

I would like to see what you have done.

@ Karl

h2opower says thanks for post
Tim

[Unite]

(the dude) good movie btw, i would not worry about hijacking a thread were all here spreading information that's meant to help/learn and that's what you were doing so its all good brother
i haven't seen anyone showing up making a negative comment, or a negative opinion with no backing(experimenting on there own) and that's nice lol
i haven't done Stanly Meyers water fuel cell but i definitely plan too i believe a good number have replicated it with success, that doesn't mean it wont have a learning curve, you must understand how it was done, why it was done, and how to do it(at least it will be very helpful if you did)
anyway i did a searching for less then 1 minute, and was able to find this many people saying they created a successful replica of Stanly work (in no particular order) Dave Lawtons, Ravi's, Dr Scott Cramton, and the other iv seen(vids) that have
seems to be working just as expected if you read Stanly, Ravi's, Lawton's or Dr Scott Cramton (think he had a team helping him or is part of a scientific group). a lot of good info to read threw if interested is here http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter10.pdf lower on that page is where you get to Stanly works and others replica's i think its a doable project as long as you get everything right

anyway here's some vids of it and its replica's in action doing what it should be doing it appears(most of these are pages have many vids showing it in action so check out the others)YouTube - ‪raviwfc's Channel‬‏, YouTube - ‪thewonn's Channel‬‏) there are alot more if the search you will find (type in Stanly Meyers wfc "in youtube")
so it seems to me very real

[joe 2]

H2opower had the best thread on energetic forums covering meyers work, he showed the injectors could produce the energy meyer spoke of with actual calculations, he even went back to college in order to do this. He covered the gas processor and injectors with science and theory while others seem lost going round in circles, he was eventually bullied off the thread but still leaves good info. I was not haveing a go at him (if anyone thinks i was) just feel he has been takeing backward steps.

The atom has a charge and magnetic properties, meyer new how to exploite the magnetic properties to restrict/reflect current (electrons). His early circuits where versions of the vic, if a replication does not restrict current to leakage only then i suspect it is not a replication of meyers. The reason i say this is becouse so called meyer replications could be misleading, they are less likley to lead to a real global energy solution (if they work) where as with a working vic you can build his injector system. Is that not reasonable? I am not trying wind people up.

@unite
I havent been looking on you tube for wfc more thru forums where they have been building and discussing them bung a link up if you find one of those that has had success maybe with some gas measurements.

[WeThePeople]

I'll settle for being told how you put either that ball-valve,
or that pipe nipple between the two tee fittings shown,
without a union there Mr-Dude... LOL

Over tighten the valve onto the street-90 first,
then back it onto the other regular-90's nipple partially ???

Did no one else catch that slick trick ?

http://www.modvid.com/images/build29.jpg

[chasson321]

h2opower... more to come

H2opower had the best thread on energetic forums covering meyers work, he showed the injectors could produce the energy meyer spoke of with actual calculations, he even went back to college in order to do this. He covered the gas processor and injectors with science and theory while others seem lost going round in circles, he was eventually bullied off the thread but still leaves good info. I was not haveing a go at him (if anyone thinks i was) just feel he has been takeing backward steps.

The atom has a charge and magnetic properties, meyer new how to exploite the magnetic properties to restrict/reflect current (electrons). His early circuits where versions of the vic, if a replication does not restrict current to leakage only then i suspect it is not a replication of meyers. The reason i say this is becouse so called meyer replications could be misleading, they are less likley to lead to a real global energy solution (if they work) where as with a working vic you can build his injector system. Is that not reasonable? I am not trying wind people up.

h2opower does continue with his VIC building. In fact he has one built just waiting to power his new cell. He has found out the hard way, by frying a couple of VICs, that it is absolutely necessary to have the right WFC array.

Multiple cells in series adds to the total resistance of the circuit. He says if he had not seen the Meyers picture of how it was wired in series he would still would not be on his way splitting water as efficiently as Meyers.

The VIC for the WFC is different than the one for the injector.

Tim

[thedude]

I'll settle for being told how you put either that ball-valve,
or that pipe nipple between the two tee fittings shown,
without a union there Mr-Dude... LOL

Over tighten the valve onto the street-90 first,
then back it onto the other regular-90's nipple partially ???

Did no one else catch that slick trick ?

Thanks Joe and Unite for the nice words.

Lol! yes that was tough. And to completely honest there are, only about 4 or 5 threads tops on the bottom part of the left side 3" x 1/2" nipple that is coming back down. I did just as you said. over tightened both adjacent elbow and 1" to 1/2" reducer as much as possible with tonnes of gas fitter teflon tape and then backed each side off about 3 turns with the threads perfectly aligned (toughest part). I did it this way tap the recombined water vapour that already exists in the hydrogen exhaust and split it in the geet style reactor (hopefully). I do know that running temps are lower with hydrogen so i figured worse case scenario that would at least I'd recapture the heat efficiency somewhat. I will add a vapour bubbler for testing later i believe. But first will get it running on pure hydrogen.

I did finally notice that h2opowers 8XA set up, beautifully assembled, is actually using straight distilled water. Didn't catch that first time through. I know there is a difference. When i practised using BEMF for the disassociation of water, I was dead set against using electrolyte. It really is the proper way to do a base line test. Good on him. That does change my gas production comparison.

I was always astounded at Stan's video where he tests his cell while driving a motor DC generator with an input source of 12volts at .5amps. 6 watts! Well you have to consider the input to that source too. The cell is actually on receiving half an amp. I'm certain that the generator system he's using is delivering much more than that to the electronics or I doubt that he would be using an alternator. Just my two cents on that.

Found that when i used a negative potential to fracture water that it most definitely produced HHO without heating the water as fast as positive ion flow. That alone was the most compelling part of Stan's process. Another great advantage I found to negative pulse circuitry is that you will find far less oxidization and sediment in your water, even if your stainless isn't pure.

I do try to understand Meyers circuit. One of the problems is that I have seen at least 10 different interpretations of it in schematic form and i'm really not sure which is most authentic anymore. Speaking of which. Is there a link to H2opowers current schematic design? Joe, do you know the name of H2opowers other thread here?

In the name of learning Stan's methods, I found his colorado conference and uploaded it to my Youtube clone Energetictube.com where it could not disappear so easily. :P You can watch 6 or so parts of the Stanley A. Meyer - Water Fuel Cell - International Symposium On New Energy - Colorado 1993 there. In it I see where he was pissing off the "Power Elite". I admire the man for his convictions and ground breaking work. With out him the hho movement would be at a critical loss for exposure.

You know what they say about walking softly and carrying a big stick. Well problem with that is that if you walk too softly, no one will hear the sound of your stick. Stan stomped around and made a noise so we could hear it. But he paid a very dear price.

PS - @Unite, I apologize for my lame misinterpretation of your literal meaning of "At the bottom of the page". I'm a bit of a burn out there.

YouTube - ‪raviwfc's Channel‬‏[/url], YouTube - ‪thewonn's Channel‬‏) there are alot more if the search you will find (type in Stanly Meyers wfc "in youtube")
so it seems to me very real

Wow. i'm out of it. Hadn't seen those. Thanks Unite. These are all nice replications. I'm thinking of clearing my bench and trying a serious attempt myself now. Thanks (waiting on shipping---Canada postal strike has got me in limbo).