Water Fuel Cell video schematic

[brusers]

Tube conditioning

Hello Aaron,
I have a question for you real fast before I get out of here for work.
I am currently conditioning some tubes, but I'm using a DC power supply because that is about the only thing I have to send a lot of juice through the tubes. Now relating to the crystal growth on the batteries of Bedini from the radiant energy charging, he also mentioned that using positive energy caused the sulfation, which eventually disabled the ability to charge.
I'm assuming everything coming out of the variac is positive energy correct?
With the batteries you want to start with the radiant energy, for the negative energy crystals to grow, for lack of a better word for them.
What happens in the tubes if you start with radiant? Is there a different growth like in the batteries? Or are we using the positive energy to deliberately put a sulfation on the tubes? Might have just answered my own question, but I was also thinking that after the white powder is on the tubes, does the radiant naturally want to break it down like the sulfation in the batteries?
We'll see if this DC power supply does the trick, not too sure where to find a variac around these parts.
Thanks for the time..

Marcel

[Aaron]

conditioning notes/observations

Hi Marcel,

The variac output through a full bridge turns into galloping dc at 120hz. Nothing special just pulsed current.

But I have used chokes to limit current and was able to get higher voltage with lower amps.

I don't have any reason to believe the white powder coating is simply from sulfation. If that is literally from sulfuric acid in a battery, there isn't any in the water cell. But if the point is current versus potential, I have applied the radiant spikes from the Bedini circuits to the tubes and it also develops the coating...but...it is very slow and I can condition them the same with the variac the way I do it in just a few hours to a whole day....tap water. I think it is a mixture of calcium oxide and magnesium oxide.

This coating, in my opinion, also serves not only to create a permanent potential difference between the plates, etc... but it also helps to limit current as well further making it easier for the cell or battery to see just the radiant....just an automatic, naturally built in current limiter.

If I put the radiant spikes to the cell or the pulsed dc from a variac through a bridge or any other method...nothing removes the coating from the cathodes.

There is one thing that does take off the coating...if I reverse polarity of the power terminals to the cell, it repels off the cathodes and is suspended in water and then it finally slowly sinks to the bottom.

That powder coating creates a permanent potential difference between the tubes regardless of any capacity. That is why Imhotep's observation from his own experiment is VERY IMPORTANT. When he charged the little lithiums with pure radiant...the voltage was there BUT, it wouldn't power an inductive or resistive load. BUT...it WOULD charge a cap. An oddity, yes, but this effect is what an electret does. I've experienced something similar with the non-capacity permanent dipole I guess you could say.

With the powder coating on the tubes...submerged in water...I can short them over and over and over and over...doesn't matter...there is a permanent 2-4 volt potential difference between the tubes.

My mental analysis of his lithiums is that it is the same effect that he has produced with his charging. Radiant or Current to a water cell...no sulfation. Radiant to battery none with current there is.

Anyway, I charged in the past a gel cell with a neon triggered scr at 90volt spikes at .01 or .001 uf...600 volt cap from an old microwave. High frequency radiant spikes charged the 6 volt 1.7ah batt. The voltage was there and I thought I "damaged" the battery...however...it wouldn't power an inductive or resistive load...voltage just dropped to the floor.....no capacity...however..the voltage sprung right back up! Just like this whole electret effect.

Also, I'm starting to gather that Meyer was all about plasma electrolysis plain and simple. First and last patent shows it all and the whole middle part is mostly deception. Just a side note.

In regards to terminology of positive/negative energy. Each thing has to be defined I think.

If you're working with normal closed loop hot current..you have voltage and amperage. Normal time forward hot current positive energy.

With the potential on its own without current, you could use the positive polarity of the potential as what you are sending to the cell...or you can have the positive sitting in the cell while you are pulsing the negative potential on the back end. They are opposite polarities of neg and pos but are both considered to be negative energy since it is just radiant negentropic energy?

All the voltage potential/radiant energy, etc.. that everyone is working with is only one form of cold electricity.

[brusers]

Battery conditioning

What I needed and more!
Kind of scary, I'm actually starting to understand some of these Bearden terms.. lol.
So great, I have some experiments in mind then, and I'll let the tubes ride for now.
I do apprecaite the time.

Marcel

[brusers]

Update on the tubes. I've noticed the coating is getting a lot thicker. It's been what, 2 more weeks? Also, before I noticed a permanent 0.35 volt potential on the tubes. Now it is 0.56 volts. I can charge caps off of it, not that I can really do anything with 0.56 volts, but that is interesting. As well as the fact that testing resistance across the cell, normal positive to positive is reading about 600 ohms, and leads reversed is half, around 330 ohms or so. Also a very intersting thing to see.
Thought I would throw that out there.

Marcel

[Aaron]

tubes sitting voltage

Hi Marcel,

I've had 2-4 volts on my tubes just sitting in water. So I think you might find that you'll get even more in a bit. It might not be necessary but that does show the potential difference from the cathodes getting plated is getting bigger and bigger.

[a3pelawi]

Hai Aaron,

This my first post, sorry my english not so good.
I just want ask you somethink about pwm, that's I had build one like your schema.
My question this pwm is work using stenles plats, i'm not using tube but I used array plats.

[Aaron]

tubes vs plates

The PWM experts here can answer your question better than I can... See Redmeanie's posts about his PWM circuits. Many people get incredible results with plates instead of tubes.

When working with tubes, there are effects that come into play that go beyond simply surface area...these effects are not well understood. Meyer had some charts showing same input for plates, tubes, multi tubes, etc... and multiple tube sets always had more gas production for equal surface area and same input.

[Aaron]

WFC video

Repost of this video:
YouTube - Stan Meyer concentric tube test

One of the first and most popular wfc vids from
way back.

[Angelinabv]

Guys I Have a rig similar to the Lawton cell tried the circuit got poor gas production. I rigged the cell up to a normal Halfords 240-12V car battery charger and whOOOOOa got a load of gas produced similar to Hydrocars video.

I am an electronic luddite so please bear with me

http://www.waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/...007502_293.gif
It is the loss of control of the masses they fear the most and this technology will free the masses

Power Plant Developers

[Farrah Day]

Angel

This is a long dead thread and after looking through it I can see why.

As far as I can tell, basically all that has been done on this thread is to rectify AC mains voltage to provide a DC input to an electrolytic cell... the purpose of which totally evades me. A lot of inacurate measurements and odd ideas. Mind you it dates back to 2007 so perhaps that's why.

You would be better off starting a new thread or finding a more recent thread on the subject.

[Omar Hegazy]

technically, ANY heating of any substance changes its molecular structure, but conventional heat doesnt affect them to the point of being dangerous.

any food item that contains water, that is heated in a microwave, is virtually undistiguishable by your digestive tract. it other words, your body doesnt recognize it as a food source.


back to the topic, i had mentioned this to AAron on YouTube and i forgot to bring it here. once you have properly conditioned the cells, has anyone considered using a stun gun circuit to utilize up to 1,000,000 volts, with only a few milli amps, and a tiny battery for its source power? if you can run the circuit on a constant supply instead of the small battery they use, it could be a viable application with a water cell.

it would be fun trying to meter this though!!

-bryan

This is a good idea except for the resonant frequency needed to break up the water molecules is higher than the frequency supplied by the stun gun. basically stun gun run with audio transformers which run up to 20KHz frequency.

[David007]

hi all

i build my hho generator plate, i conect with battery of my car 12 v about 4-5A
i use koh, and make 4 l/pm
but 4 liter is oxygen+ Hydrogen, so i calculate is about 0.5 liter h.

if i use pulse circuit can increase, production of H?
if yes, how much can increase in % ??
thanks

[Aaron]

hho pwm

i build my hho generator plate, i conect with battery of my car 12 v about 4-5A
i use koh, and make 4 l/pm
but 4 liter is oxygen+ Hydrogen, so i calculate is about 0.5 liter h.

if i use pulse circuit can increase, production of H?
if yes, how much can increase in % ??
thanks

It is more efficient to use a PWM type motor controller to pulse the cell. You can get all kinds on Ebay. I don't know by what %.

This is the exact one I bought for some tests and it works great: PWM Pulse Width Modulator 55A HHO Hydrogen Generator | eBay

[David007]

thanks aaron

but i non like to spend money if i dont know how much increase %.

is better to invest money in dynamo of bike, for energy i think

[BroMikey]

Water Electrolysis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQq92YawImY

Enjoy the ride. This stuff is real, Time to do a build with a V8 engine.

Mike