Water Fuel Cell video schematic

[kenny_PPM]

Very Hi Freq

..almost looks like the same concept...dump the potential spikes to a battery or dump them to a water capacitor.

Aaron have you ever tried using very high frequencies with your circuit?
100,000 or 500,000 HZ ?

[Aaron]

high frequency

50-60khz is about the most I have tried

[Aaron]

pics and parts

for "speed conditioning", this is what I used...

variac..thought it was 110 ac output max but is 150ac @ 5amp max


cord...plugs into variac output, cord cut and put onto full bridge of 4 1000v diodes I believe. PTC205 diodes (4 of them) and neg on bridge to one clip and positive you can see is cut and that is where the inductor and diode went.


"inductor" I just used a spool of magnet wire
pen there so you can see size.


spacer for tubes... just some stripped off insulation from some electric
wire...about 1cm of it placed every 120 degrees in between tubes...very
tight fit...at top and at bottom.


interesting that even the inside of the center tube has the white powder
coating.


I'm not sure how much easier the tubes can be conditioned. I have had
these tubes cleaned shiny and then used only the Bedini circuits with very
lower power and it takes FOREVER to get any conditioning. I don't think
this is cheating so whatever works..go for it...BUT when the tubes are
conditioned, you get some great gas production with the lower power
high frequency circuits.

some ideas I have seen about the powder is that the conditioning process
is embedding stored hydrogen somehow in the metal itself...I don't know
but it seems to be EXTREMELY necessary for good gas production.

[Aaron]

geometry of tubes

It seems everyone that uses multiple tubes always spaces the tubes apart from each other.

My setup, I have 7 tubes setups. 6 inner tubes and 6 outer tubes.

If you take one circle, you can fit exactly six equal size circles around it so that they all touch PERFECTLY.

I don't know if it makes a difference but my reasoning is that all outer tubes will then be touching and will be very solidly connected together. Therefore if you use neg or pos on the outside tube, you only have to connect ONE location to connect them all.

The center tubes are a different story.

[Bill]

CKT Mod

Hello
Well I am at it again, this time I added an oscillator to pulse the 166.3 DC side. I did this by utilizing opto isolator(H11D1) that controls a MosFET.

The Osc is a NE555 to set the pulse wide and LM358 to control the Frequency. Currently pulsing the high side (166.30) I have all the caps (3 - 24uF) in place to drop the current as much as possible and seeing. I tuned the Osc for the highest E across the cell (sweet spot) and the gas production also increases at this setting. The current Frequency is 4.640 Hz.

Food for thought
Regards
Bill

[passion1]

Aaron

Thank you for the pics!

Bill

What is you current power consumption with this setup, i.e. total Watts?
Are you still using the 1600uF smoothing electro cap across the DC side of the FWBR?

[Bill]

Aaron

Thank you for the pics!

Bill

What is you current power consumption with this setup, i.e. total Watts?
Are you still using the 1600uF smoothing electro cap across the DC side of the FWBR?

Passion1
I am waiting on the new Watt meter, so I can't answer this Q accurately, will be able to in a few days.

Regards
Bill

[Mario]

Hi Aaron,

I was wondering, have you ever tried connecting the tubes in series? With a Bedini circuit more resistance on the output gives even sharper pulses(shorter duty cycle, less current).
Also, I know it's not about magic freqs but a resonance as a whole in the system like you said, but I still wonder if hitting the cell with the Keely freq (42.8khz) would help even more. Have you tried it?

best regards

Mario

[Bill]

Passion1
I am waiting on the new Watt meter, so I can't answer this Q accurately, will be able to in a few days.

Regards
Bill

Sorry Passion1
I forgot to answer the Q relating to the 1600 uF Cap. Actually i change it to a 1300 uF 450 volt Electro Cap. I needed the 1600 mic for another experiment. This change did not seem to effect the test CKT.

One thing i did notice after 12 plus hour of testing(continuous operation) There was NO temp raise to the Rain water in the cell. This tells me that the efficiency of the CKT is heading in the right direction. Dam Wish the New Watt meter would get to see what really is happening as far as the Amps are concerned.

Bill

[Aaron]

Oops

When I took power readings that went to the cell before, I used the meter on the power supply for voltage. I found out I really didn't have 30v/3a/90w, 24v/3a/72w and 12v/3a/36w to produce the same gas over time with conditioning.

For 12v/3a, it was actually ONLY 8v/3a for a whopping 24watts

The volt meter on the power supply is what is leaving the outlet. BUT, that is NOT what the voltage is leaving the bridge going to the power supply so producing that gas is using a lot less voltage than I thought. This is a very nice surprise.

I don't have a lot of time to work on this project now but I grabbed the old setup, cleaned the tubes, sanded them down, hooked all 7 up and am now conditioning them...it is just running in the other room while working online. I'll post some vids, pics, etc... soon. At 2 amps, it is only using about 5.25volts!!! A big whopping 10.5 watts. LOL How much gas for 5.25v at 2 amps? Not much...I'll show clips soon.

No inductor used now...just straight bridge to cells. Using outer tubes for neg and inner tubes for pos. I'll do both and see what happens later. Anyway, the tap water is too conductive so I can't get higher volts with lower amps without the inductor or less conductive water. I'm not interested in using distilled water because there are more costs involved with distilled. Besides, if this is to be practical, you have to be able to get a garden hose and fill the tank and not mess around with distilled water.

[Aaron]

series / frequency

Hi Mario, I've never connected the tubes in series only with plates before.

For optimum production, the system definitely will be in resonance by definition. Not sure about the Keely frequency but I'll play with it soon enough. I do believe there are different frequencies that make the water do magic but just in Meyer's systems, it isn't about hitting a magic frequency. Puharich also had found frequencies that instantly split water.

Hi Aaron,

I was wondering, have you ever tried connecting the tubes in series? With a Bedini circuit more resistance on the output gives even sharper pulses(shorter duty cycle, less current).
Also, I know it's not about magic freqs but a resonance as a whole in the system like you said, but I still wonder if hitting the cell with the Keely freq (42.8khz) would help even more. Have you tried it?

best regards

Mario

[Aaron]

power use

I'm aware that I was using MORE than 24 watts from the wall so it isn't that efficient overall. I just know what supplying only what is needed at the cell later is what will need to be produced.

[Aaron]

diodes

The diodes on my bridge are not what I would recommend...they are only what I had on hand.

[passion1]

Aaron

Excellent efficiency!!
Could you please clarify the exact setup (including diode specifics) you have used for the 24 watts.
How does this setup differ from the schematic in the first posting of this thread?

[opmeyer]

Hi Bill,

I updated Kenny's diagram to include the more recent information on your construction.

Could you please confirm that this is correct.

Thanks.