Water Fuel Cell video schematic

[rrochon]

Hi Bill,

I updated Kenny's diagram to include the more recent information on your construction.

Could you please confirm that this is correct.

Thanks.

Hi,
I'm more junior than you, so pardon the dumb questions. After conditioning the cells with this device, could it be run to generate the gas, just by disconnecting the 110v and connecting a 12v battery?

Also, I understand that this group is about designing a better device for generating the gas and not about connecting it to operate a car or other vehicle, but maybe someone can advise me where to go to find discussions about the successful application of this device.

Thanks,

Dick

[Aaron]

12v battery to cells

Hi Dick,

It would make gas but if just straight connection, would just be very low power electrolysis.

For real Meyer replication, I'm going to be putting 30,000+ volts to the tubes with as little current as possible. Basically ripping the water apart instead of separating gas with current.

For use in car, I'm very interested in this just make sure to be able to tune the voltage from the o2 sensor otherwise, with the cleaner leaner burn, the o2 sensor will tell your computer to pump more gas to richen it back up towards 14.7:1. All fuel injection systems are designed to guarantee you never get good gas mileage.

lets start a tread in the main section on hydrogen boosters for cars.

[kenny_PPM]

For real Meyer replication, I'm going to be putting 30,000+ volts to the tubes with as little current as possible. Basically ripping the water apart instead of separating gas with current.

I like the hi voltage a lot, I like the high frequency even better. Tesla has said that he could heat and cool a room wirelessly with just voltage potential at ultra high frequency.

I wonder what it would happen in the gas cell?
say 100 megaherz, no current flow, 30,000 volts.

[Aaron]

high voltage

I was thinking of the 30-60khz frequency range. Not sure of anyone using 100mhz in water. Do you know of a simple switch to go to those frequencies?

The faster you can compress the potential in time, the more the voltage potential cranks up on the radiant spike. Quick off/on time.

Secrets of Cold War Technology by Gerry Vassilatos has references to the heating and cooling in a room with the high voltage high frequency.

In one book "ELECTRICITY AT HIGH PRESSURES AND FREQUENCIES Henry L. Transtrom" available through Lindsay's Technical Books actually has a picture of one coil emitting some white light as Tesla mentioned he could also create light. That book has a pic of one coil at high frequency and high pressure and the man has his face up to the coil feeling the light on his face trippy. That is a very cool book with the old lingo and references.

[kenny_PPM]

as Tesla mentioned he could also create light. That book has a pic of one coil at high frequency and high pressure and the man has his face up to the coil feeling the light on his face [/SIZE]

I don't know of a circuit just yet, I am stiill looking into it also. At a 100 million cycles a second I dont see much if any current flowing either, with that small of a rise time.

At area 51 it has been said, underground in sealed rooms, a engineer was asked to study advanced propulsion, in the sealed room he was in , there was no light source no light fixture anywhere in the sealed room no light source anywhere yet the room was fully lit illuminated. It has been said that the illumination was taken from Tesla's ideas of very high frequency voltage potential, and the atoms in the air themselves were giving off light from it.

Tesla also claimed to light up the darkness over the ocean at night wirelessly, locally.

[Mario]

Hi all,

as a starting point for hi-freq/hi-voltage tests maybe a microvawe owen circuit would do, but if you do that be very careful and keep your hands off the capacitor or make shure it is discharged. It'd be nice to to modify the circuit in order to be able to modify the duty cycle to a very short on time (10% or so if not less...), and then try to bring the whole thing (circuit+cell) into resonance. Just a thought.

best regards

Mario

[opmeyer]

It appears that I'm ripping some of the CR, FE out of the 316L tube(Anode), because i am seeing a orangious color Precip forming on the top of the water.

Are you saying that the water is going orange? I have that occuring too. Then after an hour or 2 it creates a black muck on the water surface. (tap water only tho, distilled is stays clear)

[opmeyer]

Well it looks pretty close, except that i change the smoothing Cap from the 1600 mike to a 1300 . BILL

This capacitor will smooth out the ripple on the DC after the FWBR. So it wont be 120Hz dc. But now you are pulsing it anyway, did you use a Buz350 for that? I will post a circuit design for a better FREQ GEN.

I also added a oscillator to pulse the 166.3 DC at 32.48 Hz currently.

You mean 166.3 VOLTS DC? What country gives 166.3 Volts?

[opmeyer]

[opmeyer]

Freq Gen Circuit

The above circuit should be checked by an electronics engineer, I just finished it and am waiting for a reply from my friend who is more skilled that I am at design.

[opmeyer]

updated. thanks Bill.

[Aaron]

orange color

It seems that depending on the color of the brownish or orangish color, it is iron in the water oxidizing or the iron being leached out of the positive tubes.

Are you saying that the water is going orange? I have that occuring too. Then after an hour or 2 it creates a black muck on the water surface. (tap water only tho, distilled is stays clear)

[Aaron]

choke modification

check out attachment.
this is what Meyer's is doing with the choke. His schematics he shows one at + and one at - tube

they are bifilar wound on same core of same turns. check out tech brief for details.

if there are 140 turns 26awg, wrap another 140 turns on top of that in exact same direction. the end that is connected to inside tube, connect outside tube to the new wire on that same end. the other end of new wire, connect to the negative source.

in this configuation the magnetic fields in the bifilar choke will oppose each other. this is exactly what Meyer's is showing. I will start a new thread just on the bifilar choke so we can put it all on the table.

also, I am leaning to totally using outside tube as positive and inside as negative.

[Bill]

This capacitor will smooth out the ripple on the DC after the FWBR. So it wont be 120Hz dc. But now you are pulsing it anyway, did you use a Buz350 for that? I will post a circuit design for a better FREQ GEN.



You mean 166.3 VOLTS DC? What country gives 166.3 Volts?

Hi
120 volt mains, the rectifier, smoothing cap bumps it up to 166.3 DC
I also checked the freq. before i installed the Oc and had 119.2 Hz. I looked at the dc with my scope and still had small a ripple in the DC so the the smoothing cap did not take all the freq out of the DC.

As for the orange precip, yes it is still showing up, but not black precip as of yet.
The only time I have seen the black precip make a showing was when a Salt was present in the water. I verified this by delibrately added NaCl to a 316L alloy test cell.
I wonder if your water source has a salt of some kind present?

Thanks for posting the CKT. I will look into.
Regards
Bill

[Bill]

check out attachment.
this is what Meyer's is doing with the choke. His schematics he shows one at + and one at - tube

they are bifilar wound on same core of same turns. check out tech brief for details.

if there are 140 turns 26awg, wrap another 140 turns on top of that in exact same direction. the end that is connected to inside tube, connect outside tube to the new wire on that same end. the other end of new wire, connect to the negative source.

in this configuation the magnetic fields in the bifilar choke will oppose each other. this is exactly what Meyer's is showing. I will start a new thread just on the bifilar choke so we can put it all on the table.

also, I am leaning to totally using outside tube as positive and inside as negative.

Thanks Aaron
I will get to work on this and let you know how its works out, I am glad U pointed this out, as i do recall from the tech brief the bifilar choke.

Regards
Bill