Water Fuel Cell video schematic

[adam ant]

has anyone tried to pulse the LED's ?

[opmeyer]

Conditioning My tubes - video

THANKYOU THANKYOU THANKYOU to Aaron, Bill, Johan and Kenny.

This is my progress so far with what has been described in this post and I love how you are all being so open and practical about this investigation, so that I may reproduce, learn and verify practically.

YouTube - Conditioning Pipes - Aaron/Bill style

In the video I use Bill's circuit and am still in the process of conditioning my tubes. So if I dont see white powder forming in the next day or two I think I might go back to the original circuit diagram posted by Aaron, include the blocking diode and use that simpler ciruit to complete the conditioning phase.

[Aaron]

pulsed LED's

Hi Bryan,

The LED's in Stan's cells could be wired in a multitude of ways.

The EEC circuit is what I think the optimum way to wire them is in addition to extra going to regular filament since LED's are so efficient.

In the cell, when the potential separates water and the electrons are freed from the water molecules and the electrons are restricted from coming from the negative tube...those electrons will simply be available for the gas to recombine so there is less final output gas production...and this is the normal course of events.

With the EEC however, the eec, is "electron extraction circuit". The negative is the positive plate in the water (where the electrons are coming from) and + is to the power coil supplying power to the cell to being with.

If there is a bulb inline with the inductor and positive tube, it will constantly work at burning any electrons as they come.

But, it can be out of series with that on a circuit on a "flip flop." So during on pulse, it separates water and frees electron. On the off pulse, the EEC switches ON and the electron(s) supply current to power a bulb on the OFF pulse pulling electrons from water so there will be more gas output since less electrons the gas has to recombine back to water.

Based on that, whatever the frequency of the ON pulses are, the opposite OFF time will be whatever frequency the LED's are pulsed at IF and only IF, the LED's are actually powered by the EEC. Therefore, the LED's are pulsed at the frequency of the circuit exactly.

However, the LED's could be powered so there is no frequency and just straight DC so no pulsing at all...maybe from other input but in my opinion and just my opinion, I think LED's should be powered by EEC to be automatically at same frequency.

LED's won't take much power and there will be a LOT of freed electrons so opwer LED's + bulb.

[adam ant]

that makes a lot of sense, thank you,.

[opmeyer]

Using Calcium Additive in the water

I am trying different calcium containing additives in the water to promote the formation of the calcium oxide. I have posted pics in the other thread on this forum. " WFC Tube Insulation & White Powder Coating "

[opmeyer]

Readings bad. Very Bad. Sorry

I have removed the video due to an error with the multimeter.. Sorry guys. It was not reading 0 zero amps. It was a multimeter only designed for dc amps and I put it accross the ac.

With tap water . The DC amps are the same. 4 to 5 amps with tap water at 5 volts. So say its 25 Watts displaces 85ml of water in my sid young type gas measurer.

So if this translates to 85 ml of HOH gas and H is 66% of that, then H = ~56 ml

Based on the caculations presented in "High-efficiency series-cell electrolyzer" by tero.ranta@bigfoot.com Ver 1.2 2nd June 2006, page 9 "The 100% power or wattage efficient electrolyzer would consume 1.48 V * 1.594 Ah/l = 2.36 W/LPH when gas volume is measured at STP. At room temperature the 100% efficiency is 2.16W/LPH.".

--> 100% = 2.16 W per Liter per hour
I get --> .056 x 60 = 3.36 Litres per hour.

The difference could still be from inaccuracy in measurement.

I have a white powder coating on the tubes. (difficult to get in australian water, see the relevent post the energetic forum)

[Aaron]

1.56 Cop!

That is very encouraging and if so, that would be 1.56 COP!

The most over 1.0 COP results that people seem to be getting
is from pulsed DC water gas.

[opmeyer]

Efficiency above faraday?

That is very encouraging and if so, that would be 1.56 COP!
.

How is this measurement calculated?

I do not see any efficiency above Farady in my calculations:

The gas production rate was measured by collecting the gas in a sid young style water displacment chamber. The displaced water was then poured out of the chamber and measured in millilitres.

66% of the production rate was found to be 56ml in 1 minute, which corresponds to 3.36 LPH (liters per hour) of Hydrogen. The cell was powered by a variac running at about 8 VAC. But I have based my measurements of the 5 V DC output from the Full Wave Bridge Rectifyer. The current across the cell was about 5 amps (straight DC with a 100 hz ripple in it).
Thus the input power was 25W.

The 100% Farady efficient electrolyzer (gas volume measured at room temperature) would be about 1.48V/0.684LPH/A = 2.16W/LPH.

The power efficiency was determined by dividing the total power consumption by the amount of gas produced. This is 25W / 3.36 LPH = ~7.4 W/LPH.

[Aaron]

got it

I see. I misunderstood your message.

[zenjirou]

Hey Guys

Was wondering , if the Calcium Oxide coating is simply preventing electrons from moving into the water, that is, restricting current.

May the same effect be achieved by a lacquer/ clear coating of nitrocellulose or acrylic on the cathode.

Additionally coating the anode with acrylic will be similar to Meyer's delrin coating.

[Aaron]

Corona Super Dope

Yes,

I have personally used thick coatings of Corona Super Dope, which is being tested now.

[Redmeanie]

Corona Super Dope

How is this working for you?
I was thinking of trying this out on my next set-up, but was leary about possibly ruining a set of Spirals.....But if you are using it, it must be effective !
I was worried about it not adhering very well once voltage was applied, then it gunking up the whole system!

What have been your findings so far on this? Is it effective at restricting current flow?

[Aaron]

super corona dope

The Super Corona Dope is probably the best stuff for this application as it is specifically designed to hold back voltage.

It resists 4100 volts per mil when baked or in the 3000 range unbaked. It dries and is like a glass...very hard and clear and will not gunk up anything. Water won't do anything to it.

So 1mm thickness will restrict 41000 volts.

Will post results as soon as I can...getting ready to move.

[gabriolaman]

but i thought you wanted to restrict the amps not volts

[Aaron]

restricting amps

When you put that high of voltage tension on the plates without letting the voltage jump the gap, that electrostatic voltage potential extends into the water. Oxygen neg charge is pulled to the + place and Hydrogen pos charge is pulled to the neg plate. That is what happens when you restrict the electron current, which is what happens when you hold it back.

Any arcing of voltage jumping across plates closes the loop and lets electron current flow from neg plate through water towards the pos plate.